"Bourgeoisie" is NOT an adjective

[Nachie]

Seriously people, you're embarrassing yourselves all over this damn forum.



:mad:

[Widerstand]

bour·geois1     Show IPA noun, plural -geois, adjective
–noun
1.
a member of the middle class.
2.
a person whose political, economic, and social opinions are believed to be determined mainly by concern for property values and conventional respectability.
3.
a shopkeeper or merchant.
[B]–adjective
4.
belonging to, characteristic of, or consisting of the middle class.
5.
conventional; middle-class.
6.
dominated or characterized by materialistic pursuits or concerns.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bourgeois

edit: Wow I just realized Nachie posted this thread. Am I being trolled?

[AK]

Bourgeoisie (Noun): The upper ruling capitalist class of private property owners which do not work on the means of production that they own; instead, hiring workers to carry out the labour.
Bourgeois (Adjective): Of or relating to the Bourgeoisie or relating to the perceived views, conditions and/or ideals of the Bourgeoisie.
Bourgeois (Noun): An individual member of the Bourgeoisie. Plural: Bourgeoisie.

[AK]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bourgeois
A bourgeois dictionary perceives the bourgeoisie as the middle class (in some sort of plan to prove their supposed innocence by not giving them the status of ruling class).

[Weezer]

A bourgeois dictionary perceives the bourgeoisie as the middle class (in some sort of plan to prove their supposed innocence by not giving them the status of ruling class).

As if the middle class exists.

[AK]

As if the middle class exists.
The traditional petit-bourgeoisie? Middle management?

But I see where you're coming from - talking in terms of the bullshit class analyses that have no relation to the social power and individual has which are used by so many people today (coincidentally, this kind of analysis based on education and income just manage to place proletarian and bourgeois in the same social class... funny that). Analyses like these are probably the reason why the working class thinks class struggle is non-existent or that class is completely unimportant in an understanding of the world we live in.

[Zeus the Moose]

A bourgeois dictionary perceives the bourgeoisie as the middle class (in some sort of plan to prove their supposed innocence by not giving them the status of ruling class).

I don't think that's quite it. The dictionary probably goes by Marx's conception of the bourgeoisie of the mid-19th century, and in the context of that period in Europe, the bourgeoisie more or less was the "middle class," with the remnants of feudal classes still playing an important social role independent of the bourgeoisie.

[AK]

I don't think that's quite it. The dictionary probably goes by Marx's conception of the bourgeoisie of the mid-19th century, and in the context of that period in Europe, the bourgeoisie more or less was the "middle class," with the remnants of feudal classes still playing an important social role independent of the bourgeoisie.
Yes, that's how the dictionaries claim their definitions' legitimacy - but what I mentioned before is one way that the ruling class uses this definition for its advantage.

[Rusty Shackleford]

the 'middle' class is a class in the scale of classes according to the bourgeoisie.

the 'middle' class usually consists of labor aristocrats, workers with a decent portion of stock holdings, and the petit-bourgeoisie.

the 'upper-middle' class its basically all petit-bourgeoisie and low-grade bourgeoisie.

its all about apparent wealth.

youre considered middle class if you have a nice car(or 2!) and a few thousand square feet of living space in your suburbian home. you can also rack up a shit load of deb to look like it. which is what most people do anyways.

bourgeois perspective on class is basically a level of your potential consuming power.

[Jimmie Higgins]

["Bourgeoisie" is NOT an adjective (http://www.revleft.com/vb/bourgeoisie-not-adjective-p1848054/index.html#post1848054)]Seriously people, you're embarrassing yourselves all over this damn forum.
That's what I get for going to American public schools.:(

Is "bourgie" an adjective? I typically use it as an adjective to describe the particular kind of mother-fucker I'm insulting.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i use bourgie as an adjective all the time.

"this neighborhood is bourgie as fuck!" as i pass a newly developed suburban mega site.

[Kayser_Soso]

It's the "middle class" in a historical class. They became the ruling class via capitalist revolution.

[Jimmie Higgins]

i use bourgie as an adjective all the time.

"this neighborhood is bourgie as fuck!" as i pass a newly developed suburban mega site.

I always say... "screw that bourgie middle class!":lol:

This is chit-chat right? Oops.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I always say... "screw that bourgie middle class!":lol:

This is chit-chat right? Oops.
i think that can still fly in politics. its part of the discussion and is an example.

so, you're good! lol.

[Widerstand]

Seriously, what does this have to do with politics?

[Rusty Shackleford]

its probably better suited for learning if its going to be a serious thread.

[Blackscare]

Trust an anarchist to not understand politics. Or definitions of things.

Or deodorant.

[Nachie]

"Bourgie" is legit as fuck.

[Widerstand]

Trust an anarchist to not understand politics. Or definitions of things.

Or deodorant.

Translated into proper memeform, your post means:

Hey anarchists!
If Leninism smells like dictatorship
why do you smell like shit?

Checkmate!


"Bourgie" is legit as fuck.

Quick, someone photoshop Burger King to Bourgie King.

[Tablo]

Only time the bourgeoisie was ever what could be considered middle class is when feudalism was still dominant. For some reason that definition is still used(probably to make them seem like average people). They really need to update that shit.

Edit: Post 600 :thumbup1:

[Blackscare]

Translated into proper memeform, your post means:

Hey anarchists!
If Leninism smells like dictatorship
why do you smell like shit?

Checkmate!



Quick, someone photoshop Burger King to Bourgie King.


I've been called out as the closet Leninist that I am! Ee gads!


Actually I'm very against almost everything the man stood for. I just don't fetishize it and put up silly cardboards signs at meetings saying "Leninists stay out! Nya nya nya nya nya naaaaa!" *cough*RAAN*cough*

[this is an invasion]

I've been called out as the closet Leninist that I am! Ee gads!


Actually I'm very against almost everything the man stood for. I just don't fetishize it and put up silly cardboards signs at meetings saying "Leninists stay out! Nya nya nya nya nya naaaaa!" *cough*RAAN*cough*

I wish we actually did this.

[Nachie]

What, have meetings? lol no you don't

[this is an invasion]

I meant the signs telling Leninists to keep out.


I would use them on my club house though, not at "meetings" (drinking sessions).

EDIT: I would have the signs at drinking sessions too.

[Adi Shankara]

Can we just send this thread to the trash where it belongs? the fact that bourgeoisie is also an adjective was proven as early as the first page.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Can we just send this thread to the trash where it belongs? the fact that bourgeoisie is also an adjective was proven as early as the first page.
bourgeoisie is not an adjective.


bourgeois is.

i think that is the point of this thread.

[Blackscare]

The term itself is an historical hold-over that has no reason to exist unless you speak it's originating language and it is in fact the most concise way of referring to the ruling capitalist class.


Leftists like to fetishize things and stick with labels that average people don't understand, and don't need to be used considering there are better ways to explain concepts in plain english (or whatever you may speak).

And we wonder why we're considered irrelevant by the majority of the working class? Partly because we use outdated jargon rather than talking like normal people.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. At all. Literally. Not at all. No one cares. Really. Stop it.

[ZeroNowhere]

Of course, because if we just used 'capitalist', we'd be understood much better.

[Blackscare]

Or you could elaborate a bit rather than relying on a single word and assuming people know what you mean.


Notice how I said "ruling capitalist class", which kind of makes it obvious what I'm talking about.

[AK]

Of course, because if we just used 'capitalist', we'd be understood much better.
That could give people the idea that the petit-bourgeoisie are the ruling class.

[Kayser_Soso]

Using more contemporary terms is generally a good idea.

[ZeroNowhere]

Or you could elaborate a bit rather than relying on a single word and assuming people know what you mean.


Notice how I said "ruling capitalist class", which kind of makes it obvious what I'm talking about.It actually doesn't make it much clearer what the capitalist class is, other than making one sound more like one is from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. If one is going to explain that, it really doesn't matter whether one uses 'bourgeoisie' or not.

[Bilan]

Or you could elaborate a bit rather than relying on a single word and assuming people know what you mean.


Notice how I said "ruling capitalist class", which kind of makes it obvious what I'm talking about.

The use of "ruling" followed by "capitalist" could also imply that there is a non-ruling capitalist class.
So you have the ruling capitalist class, the subordinate capitalist class, the working class...I mean, labourers...laborers...proles...no...common folk? etc.

The ambiguity of the terms is, usually, derived from the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Educate people and they'll understand.
If you don't, it doesn't matter if you call it "the motherfuckers": they still wont fully understand it.

[Kayser_Soso]

Anybody who can't simultaneously handle the concept of the capitalist class also being the ruling class, or the occasional term ruling capitalist class probably isn't priority recruiting material at this juncture.

[Nachie]

i absolutely don't care what terms y'all use to describe anything at all, i'm just sick of facepalming every time i see an exchange such as:

"i like martinis"
"that is bouregeoisie decadence"

which seems to happen very often around here. the worst part is that then the original poster will reply, "how is that bourgeoisie?"

GOD DAMMIT

[Widerstand]

i absolutely don't care what terms y'all use to describe anything at all, i'm just sick of facepalming every time i see an exchange such as:

"i like martinis"
"that is bouregeoisie decadence"

which seems to happen very often around here. the worst part is that then the original poster will reply, "how is that bourgeoisie?"

GOD DAMMIT

Restricting freedom of speech is such a Bourgeoisist-Leninist Attitude.

[Rusty Shackleford]

bourgeois/bourgeoisie is just the academic(left-wing and bourgeois) term for the propertied ruling class. its specific.
saying ruling capitalist class is a mouthful. everything that comes out of a commies mouth is a mouthful.

we need short cuts :lol:
proletarian is easily interchanged with worker though.

[bcbm]

i hate when people say petty bourgeois

[Blackscare]

The use of "ruling" followed by "capitalist" could also imply that there is a non-ruling capitalist class.


Small business owners?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Small business owners?
many local politicians are/were small business owners

[Tablo]

i hate when people say petty bourgeois
Would you prefer petite-bourgeois?

[bcbm]

yes.

[AK]

many local politicians are/were small business owners
Their position of political power takes precedence over their small business-owning status.

proletarian is easily interchanged with worker though.
I think some people try to draw a line between the two, claiming that the label "proletarian" only applies to class-conscious workers.

[Rusty Shackleford]

You are correct on their position in their job taking precedence over their past. but, they do have a class origin in small scale property ownership.



I think some people try to draw a line between the two, claiming that the label "proletarian" only applies to class-conscious workers.

really now?

i remember on may first hearing a chant "escucha escucha estamos en la lucha! la lucha proletaria sigue!"

is trabajadore(sp?) more common?

[AK]

You are correct on their position in their job taking precedence over their past. but, they do have a class origin in small scale property ownership.
Indeed, but their past is irrelevant to their position in society now. Many bourgeoisie started proletarian.


really now?

i remember on may first hearing a chant "escucha escucha estamos en la lucha! la lucha proletaria sigue!"

is trabajadore(sp?) more common?
I wish I had a clue what you were saying :(

[Rusty Shackleford]

Indeed, but their past is irrelevant to their position in society now. Many bourgeoisie started proletarian.
maybe generations ago. i stand by a large portion of the modern bourgeoisie being born into their position.


I wish I had a clue what you were saying :(
listen listen we are in the struggle! the proletarian struggle continues!

[Nachie]

proletaria is an adjective for "of a proletarian nature" whereas trabajadora would either just be the feminine form of worker, or an adjective describing something that worked, but not necessarily the people doing the working.

I think.

[AK]

maybe generations ago. i stand by a large portion of the modern bourgeoisie being born into their position.
Yes. But "many" can just mean a large number. "Most" would mean majority.

[Devrim]

Indeed, but their past is irrelevant to their position in society now. Many bourgeoisie started proletarian.

Just to continue on a grammar level, it is a word that describes a class, the equivalent of 'proletariat', not 'proletarian'.

Devrim

[AK]

Just to continue on a grammar level, it is a word that describes a class, the equivalent of 'proletariat', not 'proletarian'.

Devrim
So what is the plural of bourgeois then?

[Kayser_Soso]

So what is the plural of bourgeois then?


Dickheads, jerkoffs, bastards, scumbags, GULag bait, etc.

[Devrim]

So what is the plural of bourgeois then?

It is an adjective, like for example 'happy', and therefore does not have a plural.

Devrim

[9]

^can't it also be a noun, though, meaning an individual from the bourgeoisie? Like in the Manifesto, there is a phrase used to sum up the idea behind 'bourgeois socialism' that says "the bourgeois is a bourgeois - for the benefit of the proletariat".

[Devrim]

^can't it also be a noun, though, meaning an individual from the bourgeoisie? Like in the Manifesto, there is a phrase used to sum up the idea behind 'bourgeois socialism' that says "the bourgeois is a bourgeois - for the benefit of the proletariat".

Webster's gives it as a noun. Cambridge doesn't. If it si a noun, I have no idea what the plural is.

Devrim

[Devrim]

Would you prefer petite-bourgeois?

Petit, no 'e'.

Devrim

[9]

Webster's gives it as a noun. Cambridge doesn't. If it si a noun, I have no idea what the plural is.


Yeah, me neither. Maybe you'd just pronounce the 's' on the end, rather than it being silent, although I can't figure how it'd be spelled.

@AK, couldn't you just use 'capitalists' instead? It sounds better anyway imho.

EDIT: nvm, totally misunderstood the last page of this discussion.

[Rusty Shackleford]

proletarian is a noun.

how about bourg? kind of like prole.

bourg(probably pronounced boourzh) also makes capitalists sound like aliens.

(Borg)
http://sandalsandsocks.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/28/borg.jpg

[ZeroNowhere]

As far as I'm aware, it's something like this:

Bourgeois is both an adjective, essentially pertaining to the capitalist class or system, and a noun, meaning an individual member of the bourgeoisie. In that case, the plural of bourgeois is bourgeoisie, similar to 'person' and 'people'.

[Widerstand]

As far as I'm aware, it's something like this:

Bourgeois is both an adjective, essentially pertaining to the capitalist class or system, and a noun, meaning an individual member of the bourgeoisie. In that case, the plural of bourgeois is bourgeoisie, similar to 'person' and 'people'.

something like that, yes.

Bourgeois (n) is a member of the class (or social group) of the bourgeoisie (n). Bourgeois (adj) describes something being typical of the bourgeoisie.

[Devrim]

As far as I'm aware, it's something like this:

Bourgeois is both an adjective, essentially pertaining to the capitalist class or system, and a noun, meaning an individual member of the bourgeoisie. In that case, the plural of bourgeois is bourgeoisie, similar to 'person' and 'people'.

I don't think it is. To me it sounds very unnatural to say 'two bourgeoisie' like you would say 'two people'. You would say 'two members of the bourgeoisie'.

Devrim

[ZeroNowhere]

I don't think it is. To me it sounds very unnatural to say 'two bourgeoisie' like you would say 'two people'. You would say 'two members of the bourgeoisie'.

DevrimThat's true, actually. Good point.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I don't think it is. To me it sounds very unnatural to say 'two bourgeoisie' like you would say 'two people'. You would say 'two members of the bourgeoisie'.

Devrim
the word has limited flexibility. in that instance, i say two capitalists or two cappies.

but, the "bourgeoisie" or "bourgeois" help to convey a point very well and once the term is understood, it makes it very easy to get something across without having to slap on a bunch of words.