National maoism

[CHAIRMAN GONZALO]

Has anyone heard of national maoism? It looks contradictory, they claim to be maoists, but seem to have some fascist elements. revleft won't permit me to post a youtube video on here becaus i don;t have enough posts, but all you have to do is write "national maoism" on youtube and it'll come out

they seem to be on youtube and thats it. what do ya think about this?

[scarletghoul]

Yeah it looks like a load of crap. Probably just some Chinese teen who liked the nationalism and aesthetics of the NazBols and decided to make his own chinese version. Quite funny though.

[Jazzhands]

Has anyone heard of national maoism? It looks contradictory, they claim to be maoists, but seem to have some fascist elements. revleft won't permit me to post a youtube video on here becaus i don;t have enough posts, but all you have to do is write "national maoism" on youtube and it'll come out

they seem to be on youtube and thats it. what do ya think about this?

They're Nazbols. The original Nazbols (short for National Bolshevik, which is a play on National Socialist) are an extreme far-right Russian nationalist group that claims to combine elements of Nazism and Stalinism. Their stated goal is to create a Eurasian empire ruled by Russia. Their flag is just the flag of Nazi Germany, substituting a hammer-and-sickle for a swastika. They wear armbands that look like that too, just like the Nazis. They say a lot of crazy shit like "Long live Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot!!!"

crazy mofos.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

This has been discussed before. AFAIK this "tendency" was "developed" by a guy named Jacobin1917, a banned or restricted member of RevLeft. On the "National Maoist" youtube channels you can see literally hundreds of pictures of Mao giving a Nazi salute.

Its good for a few laughs. For more Maoist levity check out "Maoism Third Worldism


http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1jkc9FraM

[CHAIRMAN GONZALO]

If Chairman Mao were alive today, he would probably want to die right after seeing what some idiots have done with his ideas.

[Dimentio]

National maoism is basically some sort of application of maoism in a western country.

There was a national-maoist current in Germany in the late 90's, which claimed that Germany was oppressed by the imperialism of USA and Israel and called for an end to the "Israeli occupation of Germany"...

I shouldn't have to explain why most of the left counted them as fascists...

J1917 seems to have developed his own current of it. Is extremely unlikely it will get popular except amongst teenagers who think transformers are cool...

[Kayser_Soso]

National Bolshevism, as far as I have seen, does not praise Hitler. They borrow a lot of Nazi imagery, mainly because it seems like they love things that impress teenagers. That's basically what their party is anyway, a bunch of teenagers. When Eduard Limonov decided to support the anti-Putin opposition, Alexander Dugin split off from his party. Though he would probably claim he did this on principle, the fact that he supports the Kremlin tells you what is most likely going on behind closed doors. These people have no real platform, just a bunch of anti-American, "Glory to Mother Russia", look-at-this-awesome-poster-with-soldiers-and-shit.

They do want some kind of Eurasian Empire(ruled from Moscow of course!), but it's not imperialism they say, it's "imperial"(at least this is how one supporter explained it to me).

Yes, we all know how all those Western European countries wish they could be run by a nationalist Russia. Some of you are probably sick of hearing Germans, Frenchmen, Spaniards, etc. saying things like:

"I'm so sick of this damned functioning social welfare system!!! I wish more wealth could be concentrated into the hands of a smaller group of people!!"

"You know what would be great? If all the wealth and jobs were concentrated in the capital city of our country, so that everyone would have to move here unless they wanted to live in poverty and instability."

"I wish I had to bribe people just get by in life."

"Wouldn't it be nice if people from the state abused us and we had absolutely no recourse?"

Indeed, Western Europeans want to live under Russian domination so badly that they even learn Russian and are willing to marry any random Russian guy and...Oh wait no...that's not the case at all- it's actually the exact opposite.

Yes, that's the hard reality that people like Dugin will never grasp.

[Kayser_Soso]

Fuck, I got so wrapped up in a rant about Nazbols I forgot to weigh in on "National Maoism"(AKA Look GUYS!!! I MADE MY OWN IDEOLOGY). Some people may have noticed that various right-wingers, often White Nationalists, continually try to re-brand their movement as "left-wing" and revolutionary. They usually do this during times of conservative rule(e.g. during the Bush era) because during these times the mainstream right gets less radical in terms of how they relate to the government. Witness how when a democrat is in power, the whole right talks about revolution and overthrow, but under Bush they demanded everyone support the president. During those times the WNs invariably feel betrayed and attempt to recruit from the left, with hilarious results.

Probably the first example of this could be found in Povl Riis-Knudsen's "National Socialism: The Left-Wing Movement." Actually the manner in which these guys try to become "leftist" is usually limited to being against Christianity, and pretending to care about the environment. You know they can't fathom any compromise on women's rights, gay rights, racial equality, etc. This is good because it means it's REALLY easy to spot any group of fascists attempting to masquerade as left.

[Sasha]

eite homan, leader of the dutch nazbols is an former maoist

[Kiev Communard]

Nazbols and other similar "National Revolutionary" movements are just misguided groups of mainly lumpenised elements feeling powerless in the society dominated by the large financial capital. However, they are so overcome by the "traditional" ideology of glorifying "national producers", "glory of fatherland" and other XIX century-style National-Conservative crap that Nazbols, even if some of them genuinely believe that they need to overthrow capitalism, engage in completely reactionary and pointless blaming of "neo-feudalist bureaucrats" or "Jewish bankers", envisaging their "ideal society" to be some idyllic Neo-Primitivist "nationally pure" community of "small producers". Pro-Limonov Nazbols are actually becoming more and more "national-anarchist", if one can use this term in any meaningful sense, as evidenced by his recent book We Need the Other Russia, where he actually proffers the following project of "new civilization":




The main principle of the old civilisation is the Protestant principle of production for the sake of production. The boring life to extreme old age, a life of moderately working pet, is promised to the individual. The dangerous, heroic, full life in the armed nomadic communes, free commonwealth of women and men on the basis of brotherhood, free love and communal education of children should become the main principle of a new civilisation.
Frozen cities should be closed, and their population dispersed. The nomadic way of life will look so: the big commune chooses for itself a parking lot and will transfer its base there by helicopters; if it is island - by ship; or by trucks. In the future, due to dispersal and exodus from cities, the urban lifestyle shall wither away. And together with it the manufacture of "necessities" for urban life shall follow. Sofas and chairs won't be necessary, the need for furniture, for utensils will completely disappear.....

..... The urban life creates the possibility of total control and surveillance over the individual. Therefore for the achievement of individual freedom it is necessary to leave cities. In a sense it is necessary to return to Traditionalism. The armed communes will resemble the primeval tribes. It will be our Traditionalism. Communes will be ruled by the Council of Communes. As a whole communes may be called the Horde. It is not necessary to be afraid of contradictions which can arise between the armed communes, it is not necessary to be afraid of collisions. Creative aggression of separatisms is more preferable than the Globalist prison order.
But it is not necessary to understand a new civilisation as a jump back in the past. It is not necessary to understand so that we preach struggle against science development, struggle against convenient and intelligent achievements of technical progress. No. We will also develop the Internet, genetics, and new super-TV. The TV and the Internet will bind the armed communes together in a uniform civilisation of free citizens.
As to a way of destruction of the old civilisation, it will be reached, of course, not by a direct head-on collision with an old civilisation..... There will be a capture from within, the creation of dozens of centres of revolts from within the traditional countries at once. So we will act. There is no use in being depressed by our opponents' power. In the spiritual inner meaning their civilisation is dead. It has spiritually worn out.... .

As one can see, the Nazbols are increasingly reverting to praising some quaint "Neo-Tribalism" of "armed (and presumably warring" communes" (actually tribes), inside of which the social inequality would remain (as Limonov says nothing about the future of class divisions within these "communes" in his supposed project). Also note the anti-urban philippics clearly reminiscent of Pol Potism. This glorification of "Traditionalism", of pre-industrial model of society (despite some hypocritical reference to "super-TV" and other such "high-tech" things), and idealisation of reactionary opposition to present system (as opposed to genuinely revolutionary struggle against it), evident in Limonov's praise for the Taliban, all show the vehemently anti-revolutionary character of Nazbols' "opposition to Western hegemony".

[Dimentio]

Nazbols and other similar "National Revolutionary" movements are just misguided groups of mainly lumpenised elements feeling powerless in the society dominated by the large financial capital. However, they are so overcome by the "traditional" ideology of glorifying "national producers", "glory of fatherland" and other XIX century-style National-Conservative crap that Nazbols, even if some of them genuinely believe that they need to overthrow capitalism, engage in completely reactionary and pointless blaming of "neo-feudalist bureaucrats" or "Jewish bankers", envisaging their "ideal society" to be some idyllic Neo-Primitivist "nationally pure" community of "small producers". Pro-Limonov Nazbols are actually becoming more and more "national-anarchist", if one can use this term in any meaningful sense, as evidenced by his recent book We Need the Other Russia, where he actually proffers the following project of "new civilization":

.

As one can see, the Nazbols are increasingly reverting to praising some quaint "Neo-Tribalism" of "armed (and presumably warring" communes" (actually tribes), inside of which the social inequality would remain (as Limonov says nothing about the future of class divisions within these "communes" in his supposed project). Also note the anti-urban philippics clearly reminiscent of Pol Potism. This glorification of "Traditionalism", of pre-industrial model of society (despite some hypocritical reference to "super-TV" and other such "high-tech" things), and idealisation of reactionary opposition to present system (as opposed to genuinely revolutionary struggle against it), evident in Limonov's praise for the Taliban, all show the vehemently anti-revolutionary character of Nazbols' "opposition to Western hegemony".

That's actually a pretty old book, from 2002 I think. He has become muslim since that and now wants some form of libertarian socialism mixed together with liberalism. He's crazy, but not as crazy as he's coming off as. Unlike others, he don't believe in his crap.

[ContrarianLemming]

Has anyone heard of national maoism? It looks contradictory, they claim to be maoists, but seem to have some fascist elements. revleft won't permit me to post a youtube video on here becaus i don;t have enough posts, but all you have to do is write "national maoism" on youtube and it'll come out

they seem to be on youtube and thats it. what do ya think about this?

national maoism
national bolshevism
national syndicalism
national communism
national anarchism

all fascists.

[Dimentio]

What about national satanism then?

Another popular term I've heard is "pan-nationalism", which is the support of all nationalisms just for the sake of "celebrating diversity".

Nationalism is lunacy. Its merely a sort of golem-zombie made out of tribalism.

[Kiev Communard]

Nationalism is lunacy. Its merely a sort of golem-zombie made out of tribalism.

Well, I have to disagree. Nationalism is not "lunacy", it is an ideology born out of objective conditions of centralization and emergence of national markets in Europe in early 1800s and since then spread throughout the world. Historically nationalism is a form of bourgeois class consciousness, serving both as a focal point for rallying (and deceiving) the masses behind the concept of "one nation" and the ideological undergirding of the "national" bourgeoisie "quest" for the domination over the national, and later international markets. It has almost nothing to do with tribalism as a dominant form of social consciousness in primitive communist and early agrarian societies, despite obvious (and superficial) analogies with ethnic nationalist ideologies (which is itself the corruption of previously dominant "civic" nationalism of American Founding Fathers and French Revolution), as tribalism in this sense implies the existence of real community of tribe members (despite emerging inequalities), while nationalism pretends that such a community exists in a class-based society, while it is not.

[Rusty Shackleford]

What about national satanism then?

Another popular term I've heard is "pan-nationalism", which is the support of all nationalisms just for the sake of "celebrating diversity".

Nationalism is lunacy. Its merely a sort of golem-zombie made out of tribalism.
satanism wasnt a left trend before made nationalist :lol:

national liberation is probably the only ideology i would support with the term national in it.

[Kayser_Soso]

Nazbols and other similar "National Revolutionary" movements are just misguided groups of mainly lumpenised elements feeling powerless in the society dominated by the large financial capital. However, they are so overcome by the "traditional" ideology of glorifying "national producers", "glory of fatherland" and other XIX century-style National-Conservative crap that Nazbols, even if some of them genuinely believe that they need to overthrow capitalism, engage in completely reactionary and pointless blaming of "neo-feudalist bureaucrats" or "Jewish bankers", envisaging their "ideal society" to be some idyllic Neo-Primitivist "nationally pure" community of "small producers". Pro-Limonov Nazbols are actually becoming more and more "national-anarchist", if one can use this term in any meaningful sense, as evidenced by his recent book We Need the Other Russia, where he actually proffers the following project of "new civilization":

.

As one can see, the Nazbols are increasingly reverting to praising some quaint "Neo-Tribalism" of "armed (and presumably warring" communes" (actually tribes), inside of which the social inequality would remain (as Limonov says nothing about the future of class divisions within these "communes" in his supposed project). Also note the anti-urban philippics clearly reminiscent of Pol Potism. This glorification of "Traditionalism", of pre-industrial model of society (despite some hypocritical reference to "super-TV" and other such "high-tech" things), and idealisation of reactionary opposition to present system (as opposed to genuinely revolutionary struggle against it), evident in Limonov's praise for the Taliban, all show the vehemently anti-revolutionary character of Nazbols' "opposition to Western hegemony".

Thanks for having the perseverance to wade through Limonov's gibberish. I could never bother; ditto with Dugin. Always some nonsense about some glorious past which never existed.

One of the most amusing emerging ideologies is the European New Right and various ideologies which try to "unite" nationalists of different nations(occasionally going outside of Europe depending on the movement). This is hilarious because if you know nationalism, you know that one nation's glorious myth is another's terrible shame which must be avenged. Just imagine Croat and Serb "nationalists" marching arm in arm.

[Dimentio]

Well, I have to disagree. Nationalism is not "lunacy", it is an ideology born out of objective conditions of centralization and emergence of national markets in Europe in early 1800s and since then spread throughout the world. Historically nationalism is a form of bourgeois class consciousness, serving both as a focal point for rallying (and deceiving) the masses behind the concept of "one nation" and the ideological undergirding of the "national" bourgeoisie "quest" for the domination over the national, and later international markets. It has almost nothing to do with tribalism as a dominant form of social consciousness in primitive communist and early agrarian societies, despite obvious (and superficial) analogies with ethnic nationalist ideologies (which is itself the corruption of previously dominant "civic" nationalism of American Founding Fathers and French Revolution), as tribalism in this sense implies the existence of real community of tribe members (despite emerging inequalities), while nationalism pretends that such a community exists in a class-based society, while it is not.

Tribalism is a powerful subcurrent in human societies, due to the "monkeysphere". We are animals evolved to live in packs of about 100+ individuals. That is why you don't treat every random person on the street as your friend and could ignore their plights.

[Aesop]

national maoism
national bolshevism
national syndicalism
national communism
national anarchism

all fascists.

You forgot the obvious one..........................National socialism.

[Kiev Communard]

Tribalism is a powerful subcurrent in human societies, due to the "monkeysphere". We are animals evolved to live in packs of about 100+ individuals. That is why you don't treat every random person on the street as your friend and could ignore their plights.

Under "tribalism" I meant not the vestiges of "tribal" consciousness still present in most human society but rather the dominant form of social consciousness typical for the so-called "primitive" societies that was charactetised by the feeling of societal unity (stipulated by the communal production practices), as opposed to nationalism that proclaims the "national unity" in the society split into antagonistic classes.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Has anyone heard of national maoism? It looks contradictory, they claim to be maoists, but seem to have some fascist elements. revleft won't permit me to post a youtube video on here becaus i don;t have enough posts, but all you have to do is write "national maoism" on youtube and it'll come out

they seem to be on youtube and thats it. what do ya think about this?
There are wackjobs out there, and in other news fish prefer to live in water rather than the lunar surface...:rolleyes:

[Qayin]

You forgot the obvious one..........................National socialism.
he also forgot "National Populism"

[Dimentio]

Populism has always been borderline nationalist, even in the instances when it has been genuinely progressive.

[Kayser_Soso]

he also forgot "National Populism"

A lot of those ideas are populist by nature.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

About the the fascist who want to look leftist, it isnt really anything new about it, it has been going on for a long time now, infact all three hitler, moussulini and franco used to take some attributes frome the labour movement, make them to theire own.
Hitler used to speak about greedy cpaitalists when he holded speeches for workers, the red coloor in the backround of the swastika is quite obvius. The spanish falangistas used red and black in theire banner, taken frome the very strong unions CNT-FAI, they also used a blue shirt in theire party uniforms inspired by the blue shirts the industrial-proletarians had in theire work.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mg7D3kYysfw/RqhVoYMABTI/AAAAAAAACmg/IXulEyUTtq0/s400/cd39_spanish_falange.jpg


A couplem of years ago a new group went up here in Sweden Autonomous Nationalists, wich just was regular nazis wearing typical left-wing fashion (palestina-scarf) and used to manifestate against wellfare cuts and so.(like if they really cared)