New CIA leak: "What if foreigners see the US as an Exporter of Terrorism?"

[Dean]

Much attention has been paid recently to the increasing occurrence of
American-grown Islamic terrorists conducting attacks against US targets,
primarily in the homeland. Less attention has been paid to homegrown
terrorism, not exclusively Muslim terrorists, exported overseas to target non-
US persons. This report examines the implications of what it would mean for
the US to be seen increasingly as an incubator and “exporter of terrorism.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22export ing_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010

[RadioRaheem84]

I am surprised that not even the fact that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the US made the big news at all or that Americans even really care to believe it.

[Rusty Shackleford]

im a US born citizen and i see the US as an exporter of terrorism, and, a magnet for terrorism wherever it happens to go.

the us became a major exporter of terrorism post-WWII. i can understand why the CIA might misunderstand that though. Seriously, for them to actually even have an internal document like this must mean they have some really idiotic staff members.

[RadioRaheem84]

im a US born citizen and i see the US as an exporter of terrorism, and, a magnet for terrorism wherever it happens to go.

the us became a major exporter of terrorism post-WWII. i can understand why the CIA might misunderstand that though. Seriously, for them to actually even have an internal document like this must mean they have some really idiotic staff members.

Have you ever read a State Department report on certain regions? Sometimes I wonder if the Feds understand anything about any country. They either really believe their own crap or even lying in internal stuff to each other. I can never tell.

[Dimentio]

Have you ever read a State Department report on certain regions? Sometimes I wonder if the Feds understand anything about any country. They either really believe their own crap or even lying in internal stuff to each other. I can never tell.

Its always important for the personnel to be sincerely motivated that they are good guys. Otherwise they would do a sloppy work.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Its always important for the personnel to be sincerely motivated that they are good guys. Otherwise they would do a sloppy work.

The Americans are probably more indoctrinated into doublethink than any other people.

[GPDP]

The Americans are probably more indoctrinated into doublethink than any other people.

Yeah, it kind of comes with the glaring contradiction between all the lofty rhetoric of "liberty" and "democracy" and the fact that we're the most powerful empire the world has ever known.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Yeah, it kind of comes with the glaring contradiction between all the lofty rhetoric of "liberty" and "democracy" and the fact that we're the most powerful empire the world has ever known.

What contradiction? Our corporate-capitalist state dominates the world for its own good.

[Dimentio]

Yeah, it kind of comes with the glaring contradiction between all the lofty rhetoric of "liberty" and "democracy" and the fact that we're the most powerful empire the world has ever known.

Don't overestimate yourself. The British Empire in the 19th century was proportionally more powerful.

[KurtFF8]

I am surprised that not even the fact that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the US made the big news at all or that Americans even really care to believe it.

Probably because that's not really true.

And the US equally never trained Al Qaeda.

[GPDP]

What contradiction? Our corporate-capitalist state dominates the world for its own good.

You know what I meant.


Don't overestimate yourself. The British Empire in the 19th century was proportionally more powerful.

Point taken.

[Nolan]

Don't overestimate yourself. The British Empire in the 19th century was proportionally more powerful.

They're actually about equal. The US may not control as much territory, but it directs the world economy and has corporate influence everywhere through organizations like the IMF, the WTO, etc. Literal physical colonies are a thing of the past for the most part. And I don't think anyone identifies with their empire in that way.

[Dean]

Don't overestimate yourself. The British Empire in the 19th century was proportionally more powerful.
Red America makes a good point. The US is far scaled back when it comes to directly controlled puppet governments. But financial institutions and their influence far outweighs direct colonialism.

[NGNM85]

That would be a rational asessment. The US has historically been supportive of terrorism, it is also a notorious perpetrator of state terrorism,

[RadioRaheem84]

Probably because that's not really true.

And the US equally never trained Al Qaeda.


I assumed that they funneled money to Pakistani and Saudi intelligence services which then trained Bin Laden? I know that the US didn't officially or directly train him but indirectly if anything else. No?

[KurtFF8]

I assumed that they funneled money to Pakistani and Saudi intelligence services which then trained Bin Laden? I know that the US didn't officially or directly train him but indirectly if anything else. No?

The Saudi government also opposed Bin Laden pretty much from the start. He kind of went on to do his own thing when he was in Sudan then became radicalized later on. He and his organization never really got much state support (although the Taliban changed that). I don't know about Pakistan though, perhaps they helped, but I doubt it.

Even when the USSR was in Afghanistan, the US training went to the mujahadeen (sp?) and bin Laden's group was considered to be an "outsider group"

[Dimentio]

I have a sense the next stable world empire would be a kind of world government. And it will happen before 2100 (if not the world succumbs to a new dark age).

[Tatarin]

I have a sense the next stable world empire would be a kind of world government. And it will happen before 2100 (if not the world succumbs to a new dark age).

The US is pretty much that empire.

[Dimentio]

The US is pretty much that empire.

No. Its still somewhat - and to an increasing degree - balanced by a bloc consisting a loose alliance of China, Russia and some Central Asian nations. That is not denying that the foundation of the future world empire could be America, but America right now is in decline.

The last empire, whatever it will be, will be espousing a non-capitalist or even anti-capitalist philosophy. At least I believe it.

[tbasherizer]

The language in the wikileaks document seems to be half-admission and half-propaganda. Their tone seems to be "Well, if the entire world just for some weirdo reason seems to believe that we're directly involved in terrorism, then this what we'd have to deal with. As has been said before, even the CIA has to propagandize their own as good, morale-boosting corporate policy. You know, with synergy and all that.

This really isn't that explosive a revelation, because the "terrorism" mentioned in the memo is restricted to that of the non-state variety. The exportation this document seems to be worried about is the US being a point of origin for Islamic terrorists, not the US being directly involved in campaigns of terror against international workers, etc. Therefore, it really shouldn't be looked at twice. Except when rereading it to make a post on your favourite forum.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I have a sense the next stable world empire would be a kind of world government. And it will happen before 2100 (if not the world succumbs to a new dark age).
a world government as in a socialist world republic? that would be bad ass. id make "der Heimlische Aufmarsch" the world anthem.

Dann steigt auf der Trummern der alten Gesellschaft die Sozialistische Weltrepublik!


and this whole dark age thing. are you alluding to a rise in fascism if there is a wave of failed revolutions?

[Dimentio]

The USA would never call terrorists which it has helped "terrorists" in an internal memo.

They are always freedom fighters then...

[Dimentio]

a world government as in a socialist world republic? that would be bad ass. id make "der Heimlische Aufmarsch" the world anthem.

Dann steigt auf der Trummern der alten Gesellschaft die Sozialistische Weltrepublik!


and this whole dark age thing. are you alluding to a rise in fascism if there is a wave of failed revolutions?

No. Its a bit complicated, and still very simple. At the moment, the capital is exploiting about 30% more resources than the Earth is able to regenerate each year, meaning that the resource base is shrinking. This could mean a global environmental breakdown in the late 21st century.

I don't think it will be fascism in the old sense. Rather warlordism and massive migrations. Think about some kind of mixture between Russia in the 90's and Somalia.

[empiredestoryer]

sure aint the c.i.a a terrorist group itself