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Rusty Shackleford
24th August 2010, 10:41
source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gH5Y37Xi62q6Z-dxshsEiSfFabcg)

S.Korea pledges tough retaliation against N.Korea
By Lim Chang-Won (AFP) – 3 hours ago
SEOUL — South Korea vowed Tuesday to retaliate immediately under a new military directive if North Korea fires across the disputed sea border, as China sought to defuse tensions on the peninsula.
The South's Defence Minister Kim Tae-Young said that troops had been ordered to launch a powerful counter-attack if North Korea were to fire shells into Seoul-controlled waters.
Previous guidelines required South Korean troops to issue warnings three times before opening fire.
The order was in line with new combat policy for South Korean troops guarding the volatile sea border, Kim told a parliamentary defence committee.
The North fired an artillery barrage into disputed inter-Korean waters in the Yellow Sea on August 9.
Military officials said most of the shells landed on the northern side of the borderline, but some fell on the southern side. South Korea did not fire back.
Tensions have run high between the two since Seoul accused Pyongyang of torpedoing a South Korean corvette in March with the loss of 46 sailors. North Korea vehemently denies involvement.
The South has been carrying out a series of military exercises, jointly with the United States or alone, as a show of force against the North.
News reports in South Korea say the country has been practising a new war plan during the current Ulchi Freedom Guardian (UFG) exercise that envisions occupying and stabilising its impoverished communist neighbour.
The August 16-26 UFG exercise involves 56,000 South Korean and 30,000 US troops, as well as an unspecified number of American soldiers based in the United States who link up by computer.
It envisions a powerful counter-offensive up to the Chongchon river, some 80 kilometres (48 miles) north of Pyongyang, in case of aggression from the North, the Dong-A Ilbo newspaper reported.
The daily quoted an unidentified military official as saying the South's unification ministry was also practising a "stabilisation" programme aimed at turning North Koreans into South Korean citizens.
Past UFG exercises practised restoring administration in occupied North Korean areas, but this year's drill goes a step further, it said.
"Various drills designed for different circumstances are being conducted," unification ministry spokeswoman Lee Jong-Joo told AFP, without elaborating.
Top Chinese nuclear envoy Wu Dawei will visit Seoul on Thursday after making a trip to Pyongyang last week for discussions on how to resume talks on dismantling the North's nuclear programme.
The North quit six-party talks, also involving South Korea, the United States, China, Russia and Japan, in April 2009 in protest at UN condemnation of an apparent long-range missile test.
It carried out its second nuclear test the following month, sparking tougher UN sanctions.
Meanwhile, the South's defence ministry said a large number of North Korean soldiers, armoured vehicles and artillery have been stationed near Pyongyang. The deployment, which began on July 12, appears to be related to political events such as a meeting of key communist party delegates next month and the party's 65th anniversary on October 10, it said.
North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il has not publicly appointed an eventual successor, but his youngest son, Kim Jong-Un, is widely seen as being groomed to take over from his ailing 68-year-old father.
Some analysts say Kim Jong-Il will probably designate the son as his political heir at the September meeting, the third such gathering since the communist state was founded in 1948.


what was also in the news a few days ago was the ROK's government planning on having a "unification tax."

honest question... is the south getting ready to actually invade? i cant imagine either nation would be insane enough to actually start a war.

Crvena-Zastava
24th August 2010, 10:46
Both nations are run by bad governments; it just so happens that the people of the North are being run by a crazy lunatic and the South is pretty much a Semi-Satellite state of the Americans.

The best we can do is to have them not wage war on each other.

The Vegan Marxist
24th August 2010, 11:21
^ nice observation. :rolleyes:

The "unification tax" was proposed, but the DPRK ended up refusing the proposal, calling it "..a ridiculous plan aimed at weakening the North in preparation for a U.S.-assisted invasion.":

"This is nothing but ridiculous rhetoric to force (North Korea) to disarm itself and realize the ambition for invading (North Korea) together with the U.S." (http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/nkorea-rejects-skorean-unification-proposal/)

Now, whether or not the SKorea is about to invade the DPRK, or even is thinking about doing such an action, is beyond our understanding at the moment. Yes, tensions are growing quite increasingly between the North & the South, & it doesn't help on the increase of sanctions being brought against the DPRK by the US & allies, nor is it helping on the fact that the US is continuing joint-military drills with SKorea, despite the clear threats by the DPRK on the US to not take such counterrevolutionary measures. But it's a bit unclear whether or not they'll truly invade. If anything, it'll more than likely remain an "economical coup d'etat" - meaning the US will just continue to increase sanctions against the DPRK, in the hopes that their economy, along with the government leadership, will collapse.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
24th August 2010, 14:07
North are being run by a crazy lunatic .

Myung-Bak is more of a crazy lunatic than ol' Kim. He's even in a wacko fundie cult.

Tablo
24th August 2010, 18:12
Myung-Bak is more of a crazy lunatic than ol' Kim. He's even in a wacko fundie cult.
I think it is fair to say they are both wacko.

bricolage
24th August 2010, 18:42
You lot are dumb if you think either side is about to invade the other. Although according to this forum there will soon be invasions of North Korea, Iran and Cuba so you never know... :rolleyes:

The Vegan Marxist
24th August 2010, 20:47
You lot are dumb if you think either side is about to invade the other. Although according to this forum there will soon be invasions of North Korea, Iran and Cuba so you never know... :rolleyes:

Cuba?

Who? When? Where? How?

Rusty Shackleford
24th August 2010, 21:24
You lot are dumb if you think either side is about to invade the other. Although according to this forum there will soon be invasions of North Korea, Iran and Cuba so you never know... :rolleyes:
hey, it was an honest question. they way the ROK/US forces are posturing themselves seems like they are just itching for a fight.

also, who every said anything about Cuba? Cuba is fine.

bricolage
25th August 2010, 03:59
hey, it was an honest question. they way the ROK/US forces are posturing themselves seems like they are just itching for a fight.

also, who every said anything about Cuba? Cuba is fine.
Bare posts on here people chatting about impending attacks on Cuba, they are around if you go searching.

Nothing Human Is Alien
25th August 2010, 09:29
I don't think it helps to simply write off people like Lee as "crazy." The fact is that the war footing in Korea results from the very nature of the world capitalist system, not the machinations of this or that "loony" government head.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
25th August 2010, 17:40
I don't think it helps to simply write off people like Bak as "crazy."

It's more of a reflexion on how Kim is always written off as being crazy. If Kim is crazy, then so is Bak.

Obviously, this is absurd reductionism.

Comrade Mango
25th August 2010, 17:55
The best we can do is to have them not wage war on each other.

It's going to happen sometime. Unless the North Koreans are insane enough to not recognize the fact that South Korea is a semi sattelite, ( which I doubt, but still) there's no avoiing a fight, quiet or not.

Rusty Shackleford
25th August 2010, 18:50
It's going to happen sometime. Unless the North Koreans are insane enough to not recognize the fact that South Korea is a semi sattelite, ( which I doubt, but still) there's no avoiing a fight, quiet or not.
Actually, the DPRK fully acknowledges the fact that ROK is a satellite. the DPRK constantly associates the ROK with imperialism and the imperialist US.

If anything, i could possibly go as far as to say that the ROK may actually try to present itself as an equal in the US-ROK relationship, and thus not a 'satellite.' its bad press for a satellite government to admit it is not actually in control:laugh: