How deep is a country?

[Tatarin]

I walked around one day and I thought about this question. We know how wide and what lenght countries have, but what height do they have? We do have mountains and some have high houses and towers as such, and no one probably cares what's above (except "enemy fighters" in wars and such), but how deep are they? Do all countries have a piece of the earth core too?

Could one, in theory, build a country underneath another? Makes your head spin...

;)

[Widerstand]

Attention: The earth is hollow.

[Q]

The Earth crust is about 40km thick on average, so why couldn't we build whole civilisations in the Earth, housing many tens of billions of people? It's a question of technological advancement.

[leftace53]

Iceland is deep.

[Fawkes]

Your mom's mouth is deep.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Your question is certainly deep

[Bright Banana Beard]

My mind thinking mode is in deep.

[IllicitPopsicle]

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

[Invincible Summer]

Wow this degraded so fast

[AK]

http://aejjabaad.webs.com/thread%20derailed.jpg

[Ovi]

The Earth crust is about 40km thick on average, so why couldn't we build whole civilisations in the Earth, housing many tens of billions of people? It's a question of technological advancement.
Maybe because there is no sunlight underground and agriculture requires hundreds of times more energy than we currently produce. It would probably be more practical to create homes in space, on the moon or on Mars than underground

[NecroCommie]

Maybe because there is no sunlight underground and agriculture requires hundreds of times more energy than we currently produce. It would probably be more practical to create homes in space, on the moon or on Mars than underground
So as said, it's a matter of technological advancement.

[Il Medico]

I think for large scale habitation, at least, underground colonies will be limited. There are a whole host of prolems with having an underground city. From food and water supply, to ventilation and temperature control. Rather than building large scale habitation underground. I think agriculture underground would be a better choice. Crops would be protected from the weather, and using artificial sun light you could grow a lot of food underground. The land on the surface that is freed up could be used for further expansion of urban areas. So you would create more living space and also protect crops from things like bugs, cold snaps, and drought, maintaining a stable food supply for the growing populace above.

[Dr Mindbender]

i think its a valid question. Countries have 'airspaces' so when we talk about how high countries are we know they extend to space. I suppose it makes sense there must be an opposite. I think its a technological issue, there is no way to travel very far down into the Earths mantle so no one is bothered. Although going by the logic of the previous it makes sense to assume that countries must go all the way to the Earths core.

To extend the question, i always wondered if you buy property or land do you also own the 4000 km box of Earth, rock and lava underneath the surface?

:lol:

[NecroCommie]

It would be interesting if mines were so big that there would be disputes over subterranean territory violations. Then we would have wars underground, just like drow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drow_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)).

[gorillafuck]

I think we should all just become cyborg dragons

[Tatarin]

To extend the question, i always wondered if you buy property or land do you also own the 4000 km box of Earth, rock and lava underneath the surface?

It's already a part of the question - like you say, legally, if some billionaire utopian built a huge network of tunnels and dungeons and such, imported food-and-water machines and some kind of air making machine, well, everything needed for humans, could it be done? Would the owner on the surface be able to sue that guy beneath him, even if he didn't bother the above one?

Now that I think of it, I guess only the crust is the only liveable place anyway. I mean, the lava floats around so it would be like owning a piece of water in the middle of the ocean.

And for that matter, if the Russians dug some kind of tunnel all the way to the White House, at what distance (from beneath) would it be considered a breach of national borders?

[fa2991]

Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

:laugh::thumbup1:

[AK]

To extend the question, i always wondered if you buy property or land do you also own the 4000 km box of Earth, rock and lava underneath the surface?

:lol:
We must reclaim the mantle for the working class.

[Animal Farm Pig]

Imagine a county that has borders in a perfect circle. The logical way to view the surface of the county would be a conic section intersecting an infinitely large cone with the origin point at the center of the earth. In that way, the airspace will actually extend beyond the ground border of the country (and extending farther as altitude increases). Of course, this raises the question of airspace (or spacespace) violations as artificial satellites move through this ideal cone. Due to the rotation of the earth, the moon, planets, the sun, and stars will move through the territory of every country. I suggest that during that time period, each country will be free to claim territorial rights to those natural bodies with corresponding rights to exploit the resources of such astral bodies. When those astral bodies leave the spacespace of each country due to rotation of the earth, movement within helic plane, rotation of the galaxy, etc. said countries will forfeit exploitation rights to the astral body and must, in fact, vacate the territory in order to not infringe the territorial rights of another sovereign country (an act of war), unless, of course, prior treaty agreements allow for such infringement.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Underground living refers simply to living below the ground's surface, whether in naturally occurring caves or in built structures.

Besides obvious novelty, underground living offers additional benefits when compared to living in traditional buildings, such as a nearly constant comfortable temperature without the need for additional insulation, quiet, resistance to hurricanes, tornadoes and most weapon systems and the unobtrusiveness of such buildings on the landscape. One of the greatest advantages is energy efficiency. The stable subsurface temperature of the Earth saves around 80% in energy costs.[citation needed] If married to solar design, the energy bill can be completely eliminated. Additionally, the noise insulation of the surrounding earth makes underground homes exceptionally quiet, and with a smaller surface area, fewer building materials are used. However underground living can be easily affected by flooding and sometimes special pumping equipment is necessary.

I say we should do it. If we can get good at constructing undeground habitats that are as self-sufficient as possible, then it will set us up well for colonising the Solar system.

We should also look into colonising Antarctica, the ocean floor and the skies. I'm 100% serious.

[Tatarin]

We must reclaim the mantle for the working class.

But it makes you wonder what Krutchev meant when he said that "we will crush you from within"...

[Os Cangaceiros]

This sounds exactly like the sort of question I'd mull over and discuss with friends while stoned.

[Blackscare]

Maybe because there is no sunlight underground and agriculture requires hundreds of times more energy than we currently produce. It would probably be more practical to create homes in space, on the moon or on Mars than underground


Yea they'd probably have to invent wires that conduct electricity or something for that to work.

[leftace53]

Montreal's got a fairly ballin underground city. T-dot's got the world's biggest underground shopping centre (what an accomplishment :rolleyes:). I see no reason we can't build entire countries underground. Who needs the sun, when you can have vitamin d from artificial light sources.

[Il Medico]

Montreal's got a fairly ballin underground city. T-dot's got the world's biggest underground shopping centre (what an accomplishment :rolleyes:). I see no reason we can't build entire countries underground. Who needs the sun, when you can have vitamin d from artificial light sources.
I like the sun. That said, I prefer when it is blurred behind thick cloud cover.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Reminds me of THX 1138

[leftace53]

I like the sun. That said, I prefer when it is blurred behind thick cloud cover.

This feature will be imitated by artificial light and clouds. We can also have artificial rain when the piss tanks burst.

[Ele'ill]

Twelve Monkeys.

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/fallout3/Votf.jpg

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Who needs the sun, when you can have vitamin d from artificial light sources.
People with seasonal mood disorders?

[leftace53]

People with seasonal mood disorders?

no such thing in Canada :lol:

[Animal Farm Pig]

no such thing in Canada :lol:

That's why I don't live in Canada no matter how much I like hockey, health care, and Tim Horton's.

[AK]

This feature will be imitated by artificial light and clouds. We can also have artificial rain when the piss tanks burst.
This made me lol.

[Honggweilo]

Your mom's mouth is deep.

this is on the edge, verbal warning

[scarletghoul]

i always just imagined the borders coming out from the very center of the earth. but you know, i guess most governments dont consider how deep it is and since that's the only thing that really defines countries i guess you could say countries dont exist undder the surface

[scarletghoul]

and yes underground civilisations have already started to be built. not sure there's been any border disputes yet though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_City

[Sasha]

acording to international law anything above (until the stratosphere) and everything below (until the core) a countrys teritory is owned by the country in question.

issue resolved, thread closed ;)

[Honggweilo]

acording to international law anything above (until the stratosphere) and everything below (until the core) a countrys teritory is owned by the country in question.

issue resolved, thread closed ;)

what about tetonics, what if a countries underground shifts under the border? :rolleyes:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

what about tetonics, what if a countries underground shifts under the border? :rolleyes:
There won't be any need for artillery in that dispute. The Earthquake will level the playing field.

[Ele'ill]

So as said, it's a matter of technological advancement.


With technological advancements- pretty soon we won't even need to be alive anymore!

[Ele'ill]

"How deep is a country?"

Oh, I get it.

[Widerstand]

Nothing gets as deep as Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

[NecroCommie]

With technological advancements- pretty soon we won't even need to be alive anymore!
:D Exactly! I will now proceed to await my synthetic skeleton that will house my uploaded consciousness for all eternity. Then I will build an allpowerful multi-dimensional space-ship and upload my consciousness onto that.

[Il Medico]

:D Exactly! I will now proceed to await my synthetic skeleton that will house my uploaded consciousness for all eternity. Then I will build an allpowerful multi-dimensional space-ship and upload my consciousness onto that.
You can't upload your consciousness onto my Tardis. I forbid it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

With technological advancements- pretty soon we won't even need to be alive anymore!

Is that so bad? Being alive isn't exactly the same thing as being conscious.

[Dimentio]

I walked around one day and I thought about this question. We know how wide and what lenght countries have, but what height do they have? We do have mountains and some have high houses and towers as such, and no one probably cares what's above (except "enemy fighters" in wars and such), but how deep are they? Do all countries have a piece of the earth core too?

Could one, in theory, build a country underneath another? Makes your head spin...

;)

I asked that very question when I was in high school during a geography lesson. Sweden at least is as deep as the Earth's core - at least the Swedish government is imagining that, though the country is getting smaller and smaller the closer to the absolute centre we're coming. Imagine it as a Sweden-shaped slice into the heart of the planet.