cox militia aids troopers

[bcbm]

FAIRBANKS — Alaska Peacemakers Militia leader Schaeffer Cox helped resolve a tense situation Wednesday night between Alaska State Troopers and a man accused of threatening his neighbor with a BB gun.

continued: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner - Cox militia aid troopers (http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/9214603/article-Cox--militia-aid-troopers?instance=home_news_window_left_bullets#ix zz0xDXwllWC)

[Rusty Shackleford]

i really hope this doesnt spread to the rest of the country.

[turquino]

Good for the rednecks.

[bcbm]

i really hope this doesnt spread to the rest of the country.

how many situations like this have ended with someone getting shot?

[Rusty Shackleford]

how many situations like this have ended with someone getting shot?
i dont know. but i dont like the sound of militias working with the police.

there was that militia/minuteman group in AZ that killed that mexican family which included a 9 y.o. daughter.

also, the militias tend to be right-wing.

i know some people trust the militias more but that is a bad mix.

[Mather]

As an anarchist myself, of course I support the right to form and arm a militia, provided it is a militia for the self defence of the working class and the oppressed. But the situtation with militias in the USA since the 1990s has been worrying, given that these militias are reactionary, racist and tend to target the working class and oppressed as opposed to defending them.

And the racism is there for all to see because for their talk about the 'New World Order' and the conspiracies they spout about the federal government, we have seen no shortage of these militias lining up to work with the federal and state government to partake in the racist crackdown that is now happening in Arizona.

[Os Cangaceiros]

how many situations like this have ended with someone getting shot?

I shot my friend in the head with a BB gun once. He is still alive today, believe it or not.

[bcbm]

i dont know. but i dont like the sound of militias working with the police.

in this case they weren't working with the police so much as intervening in a tense and potentially lethal situation in order to prevent anything tragic from happening. obviously i don't think we need volunteer cops but a militia acting in this capacity is fine by me.

[Rusty Shackleford]

in this case they weren't working with the police so much as intervening in a tense and potentially lethal situation in order to prevent anything tragic from happening. obviously i don't think we need volunteer cops but a militia acting in this capacity is fine by me.


i support workers militias no doubt. and anything that prevents a needless death is great.

but the militia movement of the 90s and the rise in militia movements since '08 are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. they arent workers militias. they are more like right-wing partisans. sure they have the capacity to act decently. a friend of mine told me a story about Arkansas where a militia kept the cops off of someones property. that was cool.

i think i may have took this all wrong anyways. i was thinking militias were being turned into pro-state vigilantes.

[Magón]

Vacant is right, most militia's in America today are on the right-wing side of thing, rather than the left. But in a way, it's a good thing that they're calling themselves to the right, as they're mostly whacked out people anyway. For example, that "militia" of seven or eight people, who were going to attack police officers and try to start a war that way? Somewhere along the lines, the Anti-Christ was involved or going to be? I don't remember, but most American Militia's wouldn't be Leftist friendly.

[turquino]

in this case they weren't working with the police so much as intervening in a tense and potentially lethal situation in order to prevent anything tragic from happening. obviously i don't think we need volunteer cops but a militia acting in this capacity is fine by me.
And what happens when the police are called because of a case of domestic violence, will the militia show up again to defend the perpetrator and deescalate the situation?

[bcbm]

And what happens when the police are called because of a case of domestic violence, will the militia show up again to defend the perpetrator and deescalate the situation?

some people deserve to be shot down by the police?

[Psy]

Just thought I'd note that the Black Panther Party for Self Defense was a militia (one targeted by that state by still armed militia) that acted as armed observers to police. Yhea militias in the US are no where near as revolutionary and in fact reactionary but the armed bodies of the state are currently a much larger threat as reactionary militias don't have surplus M113 APCs like more and more police forces in the US have and the more well funded SWAT units are now getting modern light armor like the LAV-300.

[Os Cangaceiros]

edit: nevermind.

[turquino]

some people deserve to be shot down by the police?
There are situations where we would have to make the same decision.

[bcbm]

There are situations where we would have to make the same decision.

i would probably go with "no, people don't deserve to be shot by the police" as a good default option.

[turquino]

i would probably go with "no, people don't deserve to be shot by the police" as a good default option.
The ideal situation would be if the police didn't have weapons because the perpetrator couldn't have a weapon either. Then no one could be shot because the no one could hold someone at gunpoint.

[Psy]

The ideal situation would be if the police didn't have weapons because the perpetrator couldn't have a weapon either. Then no one could be shot because the no one could hold someone at gunpoint.
Police are agents of capitalist stated, the ideal situation would be them being agents of a workers federation and local worker soviets.

Meaning even if armed not be there to defend a propertied class but defend a workers society and those within it, thus the police actually being keepers of the peace rather then a tool to keep exploited classes in line.

I don't see gun control as a ideal situation as guns are tools for hunters, farmers (for pest control) and rural workers that can be attacked by wild animals.

[bcbm]

The ideal situation would be if the police didn't have weapons because the perpetrator couldn't have a weapon either. Then no one could be shot because the no one could hold someone at gunpoint.

the ideal situation would be if the police didn't exist and class relations were obliterated and blah blah

back in the sadly not ideal world, i'd prefer a militia that can keep an eye on cops to cops doing whatever they want and getting away with it.

[turquino]

and I'd prefer the laws of a liberal-democratic state to the vigilantism of a white male subculture

[Psy]

and I'd prefer the laws of a liberal-democratic state to the vigilantism of a white male subculture

That would be a bourgeois-democratic state and how is the vigilantism of white male cops worse?

[gorillafuck]

and I'd prefer the laws of a liberal-democratic state to the vigilantism of a white male subculture
Because the American state is totally set up to serve the interests of minorities and the advancement of women......

(as for the original post, I have no opinion).

[bcbm]

and I'd prefer the laws of a liberal-democratic state to the vigilantism of a white male subculture

nobody is suggesting the militias replace the police?