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Communist
21st August 2010, 06:55
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Iran to power up nuclear reactor


Iran has begun loading fuel rods in order to start up its first nuclear reactor after years of delays.

The $1bn Bushehr facility, about 1,200km south of Tehran, has taken 40 years to complete and is scheduled to come online with the help of the Russian technicians on Saturday.

Celebrations have been planned across the country to mark the loading of the first fuel rods at the 1,000 megawatt light-water reactor, Iranian officials said.

"The start-up operations will be a big success for Iran," Javad Karimi, a conservative politician, said. "It also shows Iran's resolve and capability in pursuing its nuclear activities."

The fuel-loading process scheduled to begin on Saturday will mean the facility is officially recognised as a nuclear reactor under international terms.

"It is a big day. Iran has been waiting for it for years. Bushehr has seen the start up postponed so many times that Iranians will breathe a sigh of relief," Mark Fitzpatrick, of London's International Institute for Strategic Studies said.

However, the full operation is expected to take at least a week and it will be more than two months before it begins generating electricity.

Russian safeguards

Russia, under agreements signed by Iran, has pledged to safeguard the plant and spent nuclear fuel will be shipped back to Russia for reprocessing.

Iran has said UN nuclear-agency experts will be able to verify none of the waste is diverted for other uses. The uranium fuel used at Bushehr is well below the more than 90 per cent enrichment needed for a nuclear warhead.

The US, Israel and other nations maintain deep suspicion of Iran's nuclear programme, but do not specifically object to Iran's ability to build peaceful nuclear reactors that are under international scrutiny.

Iran has repeatedly denied it is seeking to build atomic weapons and claims it has a right to produce its own fuel for several nuclear power plants it plans to build for civilian use.

However, the US and its allies have repeatedly criticised Iran's plans to enrich uranium, a process that can be used to make material for atomic weapons, but is also needed to make nuclear fuel.

In March, Iran said it would begin construction on the first of 10 new uranium enrichment sites in defiance of UN sanctions.

Despite working on the Bushehr reactor since 1995, Russia has backed the UN's latest sanctions on Iran.

Russian officials argue that starting up the facility will require Iran to increase its co-operation with UN nuclear inspectors and possibly lead Iran to resume talks over its uranium enrichment programme.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reiterated on Friday that his country was willing to return to negotiations with the six major nuclear powers – the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany – about its nuclear programme.

He also said that Iran could stop its advanced uranium enrichment programme if a deal to ensure nuclear fuel supplies was reached.

"We promise to stop enriching uranium to 20 percent purity if we are ensured fuel supply," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in an interview with Japan's Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper.

Long-delayed reactor

The long-delayed Bushehr project dates backs to 1974, when Iran's US-backed Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi contracted the German company Siemens to build the reactor.

The company withdrew from the project after the 1979 Islamic Revolution toppled the shah. The partially finished plant was later damaged after it was bombed during the 1980-88 war with Iraq.

Before making the Russian deal to complete Bushehr, Iran signed pacts with Argentina, Spain and other countries only to see them cancelled under US pressure.

Ali Ansari, an Iran expert at Scotland's St Andrews University, said that the technology at the site was outdated after years of delays.

"It will obviously have a very theatrical opening but the delays have meant that the power plant is a very old model and the contribution to the national grid is very small," he said.

Other reactors

Iran has said it plans to build other reactors and designs for a second rector in southwestern Iran are already taking shape.

Sergei Ryabkov, Russia's deputy foreign minister, said that his country could co-operate with Iran on future reactors.

"The UN Security Council resolutions have not placed any limits on co-operation with Iran in building light-water ... reactors, which are the most secure in terms of proliferation," the Interfax news agency quoted Ryabkov as saying.

"And we see no reason why such co-operation cannot be continued. It is mutually beneficial and, most important, presents no risk."

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Communist
21st August 2010, 07:04
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From a couple reports I've read, Washington immediately went and told Israel Iran isn't an imminent threat. I'm sure Clinton will be in her element sooner rather than later, but isn't it Israel that's pondering strikes against Iran?

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The Fighting_Crusnik
21st August 2010, 07:08
As long as Iran keeps to their word and only uses nuclear fuel for energy, then all of this hype and rhetoric should go away in a little while. Personally, I feel a little optimistic and think that Iran is planning on keeping its word and that its stupid moments were simply done for reactionary humor from countries like the US... but I could be completely wrong on this...

pranabjyoti
21st August 2010, 08:04
As long as Iran keeps to their word and only uses nuclear fuel for energy, then all of this hype and rhetoric should go away in a little while. Personally, I feel a little optimistic and think that Iran is planning on keeping its word and that its stupid moments were simply done for reactionary humor from countries like the US... but I could be completely wrong on this...
Peaceful use of atomic energy is nothing but THE GREATEST LIE EVER TOLD. Nuclear reactors are in fact source of the raw materials of atom and hydrogen bomb, nothing other than that. But, so far, in my opinion, why some self-proclaimed leaders of the world would decide who can have atom bomb other than they themselves?

Q
21st August 2010, 12:39
In another press release I read the plant will produce plutonium as a waste product (which is subsequently shipped off to Russia). If this is the case, the plant's design is obviously for weapon grade production. For now that is no particular problem as the plutonium is moved to Russia, but in the longer term the Iranians will acquire the knowledge on how to deal with these substances which is a step to possible nuclear armament in itself. That said, most security agencies agree Iran poses no threat for the next years.

Amon Düül: Israel can't simply bomb the plant and be done with it. The Iranians learned a lot from the incident in which Israel bombed Iraq's sole power plant and nuclear research facility back in the 1980's and diversified their program subequently over a great many locations. I doubt Israel can simply bomb all of that.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
21st August 2010, 13:06
Peaceful use of atomic energy is nothing but THE GREATEST LIE EVER TOLD. Nuclear reactors are in fact source of the raw materials of atom and hydrogen bomb, nothing other than that.

They also generate a lot of electricity.

Whether they are useful in producing material for a nuclear bomb depends on the reactor.

Dimentio
21st August 2010, 13:13
In before Israel starts WW3. :lol:

ÑóẊîöʼn
21st August 2010, 15:00
Of course, nobody's forgotten that plutonium can also be used for peaceful purposes as a fuel, right?

OK, so some have.

pranabjyoti
21st August 2010, 17:23
They also generate a lot of electricity.

Whether they are useful in producing material for a nuclear bomb depends on the reactor.
So far, on the basis of pure economics, the electricity generated by atomic power plants are the costliest and the kind of pollution it produces is the most dangerous of all, the pollution of radiation and SO FAR, THERE IS PRACTICALLY NO WAY TO NEUTRALIZE THIS KIND OF POLLUTION.
Sorry to say, you have no idea how much energy and resources have to be spent on enrichment of uranium to make it usable in atomic power plants and the machinery and materials used in this kind of power plants become so much radioactive in the process that they even not be used as scrap. After the completion of lifetime, the whole power plant have to be buried in thick concrete, a very very costly affair. There are so much hidden costs in establishing and running a atomic power plant, which are rarely shown on balance sheets. In India, the cost analysis of an atomic power plant is so much CONFIDENTIAL that even it can not be produced in parliament. In Europe, France is the most dependent country on atomic power and the cost of electricity is highest in France.
Moreover, the supply of Uranium is not unlimited, so it is also a depleting fuel reserve, though may not be fossil. In near future, the uranium supply of world will run out and we have to start the process of burying the atomic power plants in concrete. Who will bear that cost?

piet11111
21st August 2010, 17:48
Great yet another "expert" to tell us about the evils of nuclear power.

Serge's Fist
21st August 2010, 18:15
It is unclear whether the regime is seeking to produce weapons grade material in teh future, as the regime itself is split and factured with infighting within the militarist wing around Ahmadinejad as well as the split in the regime between Khamanei and the "reformist" faction.

Even with the Russian's over-seeing the plant the U.S. will use it as further ammo to racket up the sanctions regime which has been nothing short of a life line to the crippled regime, who can appeal to national unity and defense against the imperialist aggressors.

~Spectre
21st August 2010, 18:26
From what I've read, the safeguards on this plant make it pretty impossible for Iran to get weapons grade material unless they literally tell everyone to fuck off, in which case there will be a large ass window where they'd be hit.

Mather
21st August 2010, 19:58
It is unclear whether the regime is seeking to produce weapons grade material in teh future, as the regime itself is split and factured with infighting within the militarist wing around Ahmadinejad as well as the split in the regime between Khamanei and the "reformist" faction.


Although the Iranian ruling class is divided into two wings, ultra-conservative hardline Islamists on the one side and 'reformists' and 'liberal' Islamists on the other side, the ultra-conservative Islamists are the dominant faction within the Iranian regime.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Iran's 'Supreme Leader'), the Guardian Council (Iran's theocratic variant of a Supreme Court) and the Revolutionary Guards (which equals Iran's regular armed forces in strength and size) are the real power in Iran's regime and all of them are firmly within the ultra-conservative faction. Ayatollah Khamenei's office holds absolute power over all other institutions and individuals, including the Iranian presidency. Think of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's position as that of a prime minister and that of Ayatollah Khamenei as that of a President, both have executive powers, but Ayatollah Khamenei has just that much more power than the President.

President Ahmadinejad was only able to fix last years election and crush the street protests because of the support he had from the three pillars of Iran's regime, the Supreme Leader, the Guardian Council and the Revolutionary Guards.

Serge's Fist
21st August 2010, 21:40
It was also down to the timidity and spineless retreats by the "reformist" opposition. Which was always a certainty considering the likes of Karoubi and Mousavi are for the maintanence of the Islamic Republic. The key problem with the protest movement last year was that its politics and leadership were totally inadequate.

Q
21st August 2010, 23:34
Of course, nobody's forgotten that plutonium can also be used for peaceful purposes as a fuel, right?

OK, so some have.

You're probably more aware than me that plutonium is no "accidental" waste product. Such plants are designed to produce plutonium, a nuclear warhead material par excellence,for a reason. Also, whether or not the plutonium is used for weapons or peaceful purposes isn't relevant, as it is shipped off to Russia. But that wasn't my point.

Sasha
22nd August 2010, 00:21
In another press release I read the plant will produce plutonium as a waste product (which is subsequently shipped off to Russia). If this is the case, the plant's design is obviously for weapon grade production. For now that is no particular problem as the plutonium is moved to Russia, but in the longer term the Iranians will acquire the knowledge on how to deal with these substances which is a step to possible nuclear armament in itself.


actualy this is not true, the reactor now getting started up is an original german design made for the sjah back in the days, then bombed by the iraqi's before it could be finish and now completed by the russians.
its uranium based and would need to run decades if not centuries to produce enough plutonium waste material for an plutonium based nucluar bomb.
the uranium waste could be offcourse used for dirtybombs or enriched in an specialised plant but the first you could do with medical isotopes aswell while the latter would require some serious investments in recources like time, knowhow and money.
iran is reportitly also bussy building an pluntonium based reactor wich is way more dangerous but that one is very far for completion and anyway israel, being the only country in the midle east having nucluar weapons themself and not having signed the anti-prolifiration treatys is not realy in an position too lecture anybody.

(@q, er staat een uitgebreid artikel in het NRC-handelsblad van vandaag over de kwestie)

Communist
22nd August 2010, 01:48
Amon Düül: Israel can't simply bomb the plant and be done with it. The Iranians learned a lot from the incident in which Israel bombed Iraq's sole power plant and nuclear research facility back in the 1980's and diversified their program subequently over a great many locations. I doubt Israel can simply bomb all of that.
Right. Israel has many impediments, as I'm sure everyone knows. I was sarcastically noting the US reaction.

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KC
22nd August 2010, 01:58
In another press release I read the plant will produce plutonium as a waste product (which is subsequently shipped off to Russia). If this is the case, the plant's design is obviously for weapon grade production. For now that is no particular problem as the plutonium is moved to Russia, but in the longer term the Iranians will acquire the knowledge on how to deal with these substances which is a step to possible nuclear armament in itself. That said, most security agencies agree Iran poses no threat for the next years.Actually the spent fuel from light water reactors is much more difficult to enrich to weapons-grade than heavy water reactors, which is why they built a light-water reactor. Also, the way the reactor is designed, they would have to take all of the rods out simultaneously which would be nearly impossible to conceal.

Ele'ill
23rd August 2010, 00:25
As long as Iran keeps to their word and only uses nuclear fuel for energy, then all of this hype and rhetoric should go away in a little while. Personally, I feel a little optimistic and think that Iran is planning on keeping its word and that its stupid moments were simply done for reactionary humor from countries like the US... but I could be completely wrong on this...


I don't think Israel has historically operated under a 'play fair' guideline. I hope this type of prediction is correct but I have a feeling Israel is going to steamroll Iran.

I find this whole situation to be very interesting in a grim kind of light.

Oh and also-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11052023


The article talks about the plant as well.

"On Saturday, Iran began loading fuel rods at the Bushehr nuclear power station built and operated by Russia."

NGNM85
23rd August 2010, 03:29
I don't think Israel has historically operated under a 'play fair' guideline. I hope this type of prediction is correct but I have a feeling Israel is going to steamroll Iran.

I agree. This was the cover story in The Atlantic this month, and I've seen indictators in a number of other sources, as well. I think there's a very likely possibility Israel will launch an air raid on the Iranian nuclear power plant, much like they did with the Iraqi Osirak reactor in the 80's, which is what actually inspired Saddam Hussein's efforts to obtain nuclear weapons, contrary to the general wisdom. I suspect in Iran's case such an action would be equally counterproductive, to say the least. It seems the US is against it, but theres' no garuntee the Israeli government won't simply act unilaterally. They have done so in the past, with little consequence. It seems Israel can get away with murder, literally. They have undermined US intelligence agencies, stolen secret documents and materiel, including several pounds of uranium, and, on several occasions, killing US civilians, all of this stimulating little more than a verbal rebuke. When a US national was executed recently on the floatilla raid the White House contacted Israel as soon as the news broke to express support. I can't think of any other country that enjoys that status. Wars have been declared for much less.