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Nachie
21st August 2010, 04:28
So all y'all better bow to your reptilian overlords

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_castro_bildenberg


HAVANA – Fidel Castro is showcasing a theory long popular both among the far left and far right: that the shadowy Bilderberg Group has become a kind of global government, controlling not only international politics and economics, but even culture.

The 84-year-old former Cuban president published an article Wednesday that used three of the only eight pages in the Communist Party newspaper Granma to quote — largely verbatim — from a 2006 book by Lithuanian-born writer Daniel Estulin.

Estulin's work, "The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club," argues that the international group largely runs the world. It has held a secretive annual forum of prominent politicians, thinkers and businessmen since it was founded in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland.

Castro offered no comment on the excerpts other than to describe Estulin as honest and well-informed and to call his book a "fantastic story."

Estulin's book, as quoted by Castro, described "sinister cliques and the Bilderberg lobbyists" manipulating the public "to install a world government that knows no borders and is not accountable to anyone but its own self."

The Bilderberg group's website says its members have "nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern" once a year, but the group does nothing else.

It said the meetings were meant to encourage people to work together on major policy issues.

The prominence of the group is what alarms critics. It often includes members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, senior U.S. and European officials and major international business and media executives.

The excerpt published by Castro suggested that the esoteric Frankfurt School of socialist academics worked with members of the Rockefeller family in the 1950s to pave the way for rock music to "control the masses" by diverting attention from civil rights and social injustice.

"The man charged with ensuring that the Americans liked the Beatles was Walter Lippmann himself," the excerpt asserted, referring to a political philosopher and by-then-staid newspaper columnist who died in 1974.

"In the United States and Europe, great open-air rock concerts were used to halt the growing discontent of the population," the excerpt said.

Castro — who had an inside seat to the Cold War — has long expressed suspicions of back-room plots. He has raised questions about whether the Sept. 11 attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. government to stoke military budgets and, more recently suggested that Washington was behind the March sinking of a South Korean ship blamed on North Korea.

Estulin's own website suggests that the 9/11 attacks were likely caused by small nuclear devices, and that the CIA and drug traffickers were behind the 1988 downing of a jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, that was blamed on Libya.

The Bilderberg conspiracy theory has been popular on both extremes of the ideological spectrum, even if they disagree on just what the group wants to do. Leftists accuse the group of promoting capitalist domination, while some right-wing websites argue that the Bilderberg club has imposed Barack Obama on the United States to advance socialism.

Some of Estulin's work builds on reports by Big Jim Tucker, a researcher on the Bilderberg Group who publishes on right-wing websites.

"It's great Hollywood material ... 15 people sitting in a room sitting in a room determining the fate of mankind," said Herbert London, president of the Hudson Institute, a nonpartisan policy think tank in New York.

"As someone who doesn't come out of the Oliver Stone school of conspiracy, I have a hard time believing it," London added.

A call to a Virginia number for the American Friends of Bilderberg rang unanswered Wednesday and the group's website lists no contact numbers.

Castro, who underwent emergency intestinal surgery in July 2006 and stepped down as president in February 2008, has suddenly begun popping up everywhere recently, addressing Cuba's parliament on the threat of a nuclear war, meeting with island ambassadors at the Foreign Ministry, writing a book and even attending the dolphin show at the Havana aquarium.

Burn A Flag
21st August 2010, 04:40
Someone else already brought this up.

Nachie
21st August 2010, 04:44
Fuck

RadioRaheem84
21st August 2010, 05:41
Well maybe now Castro won't be harrased by the far right because he's an ally of the anti-NWO crowd. Yet I assumed the one worlders loved socialism.

#FF0000
21st August 2010, 06:27
Yeah, I'll buy this when I have more than just this source. Preferably the original speech where he supposedly said this.

Nolan
21st August 2010, 06:35
Grandpa Castro. :blushing:

Nachie
21st August 2010, 06:44
Yeah, I'll buy this when I have more than just this source. Preferably the original speech where he supposedly said this.

Not a speech, his editorial in Granma:

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/reflections-i/16-agosto-un.html

http://www.granma.cu/espanol/reflexiones/16agosto-reflexiones.html (original Spanish)

COMPLEXproductions
21st August 2010, 06:46
If this were true, it doesn't surprise me. Bohemian Grove anyone?

AK
21st August 2010, 06:49
Papa Fidel's gone crazy.

Nolan
21st August 2010, 06:52
Papa Fidel's gone crazy.

I think you'd be shocked at the number of people who think like that. Maybe we're the crazies?

Scary Monster
21st August 2010, 08:28
I dont see where the conspiracy is in this. Were not the G8 summits and other similar events formed for the same purpose- A meeting of "elites" planning their next action on how to rape our world?


Papa Fidel's gone crazy.

I doubt it, seeing how he's actually been in the thick of the most major events of the past 60 years. Not sayin he's immune to critiscism, but im sure he would know much more about what goes on in the world than 99% of people, and is not easily fooled by any conspiracy theories. So he must have a good reason to believe in this whole Bilderberg Group thing. Either that, or this article is libel and slander.

maskerade
21st August 2010, 11:56
Oh no.

Devrim
21st August 2010, 12:00
Papa Fidel's gone crazy.

I doubt it, seeing how he's actually been in the thick of the most major events of the past 60 years. Not sayin he's immune to critiscism, but im sure he would know much more about what goes on in the world than 99% of people, and is not easily fooled by any conspiracy theories. So he must have a good reason to believe in this whole Bilderberg Group thing. Either that, or this article is libel and slander.

He is in his 80s and keeps coming out with pretty crazy things. He was also recently saying that nuclear war was imminent, and implying it would start during the World Cup. I think the idea that he is going a bit senile isn't that far fetched, and is quite possibly true.

Devrim

Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
21st August 2010, 12:15
I'd say he's getting on a bit, probably shouldn't be writing for Granma. He's done his bit, we all have to retire some day.

fa2991
21st August 2010, 16:29
He's always thought stuff like this, he's just waited until now to let his freak flag fly.

Thirsty Crow
21st August 2010, 19:35
I think you'd be shocked at the number of people who think like that. Maybe we're the crazies?
Yeah, let's relihnquish class struggle and concentrate on toppling down one group of filth. That'll bring an end to exploitation, mass poverty, wars and overall apathy in the world.

RadioRaheem84
21st August 2010, 19:43
Well, right wing conspiracy theories do somewhat distract from any legitimate criticism of elites meeting with each other and influencing public policy. Chomsky and Zinn talk about the Tri-Lateral Commission, yet they do so without resorting to conspiracy theories.

This stuff does happen, but the right wing twists it to mean that they control all affairs and that everyone is in sync and there fore they're the cause for all the woes, not capitalism.

At least it shows a bit of class consciousness on the part of the working class that's looking for some sort of explanation for the madness in our world.

But this leads me to think that not even Fidel or Chavez, who also espouses conspiracy theories, know what's really going on behind those doors. They have just as much info as we do. It goes to show the lengths that capitalists will go to to isolate certain leaders of alternative movements from world commerce and policy.

Charles Xavier
22nd August 2010, 04:48
Well most of the worlds policies are decided in closed door meetings of the most powerful corporations and countries. Though institutions like NATO, G20, G8, IMF, world bank, and others. However it should be noted that Fidel Castro if you read what he wrote is not subscribing to conspiracy theories he is simply quoting the history of the group on the occasion of their meeting. Make no mistake those meeting in the meeting are class enemies and are making decisions to advance their interests, but it something at the same level of say a G8 meeting.

HammerAlias
22nd August 2010, 05:01
I think it's time to put down grandpa, everyone...:rolleyes:

Raúl Duke
22nd August 2010, 16:06
Grandpa Castro. :blushing:

If he's believing conspiracy theories in his old age it kind of reminds me of my grandfather (who is older than Castro) who, perhaps for lols/trolling, said that the present was still the 80s, Cuba took over and controls Puerto Rico from Havana with one of the past governors of the island being "Castro's Agent," etc.

This adventist showed up to his place doing their thing and at one point, deliberately trolling it seems, when she told him everyone can go to heaven (or something like that) he said "Only if they're Catholic." (Since he's no longer really Catholic)

Yazman
23rd August 2010, 06:50
Bilderberg criticism however is not a "conspiracy theory", it is legit. Policy is discussed there between world politicians and businessmen. Its one of the only places they have to do so without public and media scrutiny.