Ground Zero Mosque, a case for anti-religion

[ILLuminato]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.

[Magón]

So wait? You want no religion, except that of the State. So like if Catholicism/Pope ran Italy or Mexico say, you'd be fine with it? :laugh:

[Widerstand]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.

Correct, if there was no religion other than the state, people couldn't fight over different religious views, since they would only have one.

Is that what you asked? If no, go elaborate please.

[#FF0000]

guise wat if teh wrld was maed of puddin

[Widerstand]

guise wat if teh wrld was maed of puddin

We'd all be overweight.

[Adi Shankara]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.

Remember that episode of South Park where atheism replaces religion and Dawkins becomes the next jesus? how then, the various atheists are fighting over what they should call atheism?

that's what'd happen; We'd just find some new shit to fight about, if not religion; hell, gangs in LA fight over a color and what street you were born.

[Peace on Earth]

Or no religion at all. There, you have no illogical thinking about a sky-man and no religious warfare.

[Adi Shankara]

Or no religion at all. There, you have no illogical thinking about a sky-man and no religious warfare.

Again; we'd just find something new to fight about; haven't any of you read Marx? the fighting associated with religion isn't caused by opposing ideas or ideas of god, but rather, the lack of material comfort in this life provided by inefficient resource distribution.

Again, if religion disappeared tomorrow, we'd be fighting over sport's teams and colors and--oh, wait...

[McCroskey]

So wait? You want no religion, except that of the State.

I think the OP wrote except the state, not except THAT OF the state, meaning the state as only authority.

I think I understand what they meant, although it reminded me of a quote by Mussolini... :)

[Imposter Marxist]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.

Im an anti-theist, and Im okay with the mosque.

[AK]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state.
Oh dear...
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[NoOneIsIllegal]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.
The last part of your post doesn't contain any relevance to the first part of your post.

[Peace on Earth]

Again; we'd just find something new to fight about; haven't any of you read Marx? the fighting associated with religion isn't caused by opposing ideas or ideas of god, but rather, the lack of material comfort in this life provided by inefficient resource distribution.

Again, if religion disappeared tomorrow, we'd be fighting over sport's teams and colors and--oh, wait...
We're already fighting over petty things like sports teams, as well as larger issues like race and religion. You might as well try to eliminate the causes of the fighting. There will be people who will find others things to fight about, but, a) there will be less fighting (not all people will resort to other causes) and b) soon they'll run out of "meaningful" things to fight over.

[gorillafuck]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.
The state isn't a religion. That's a bizarre idea.

What the hell are you smoking?:confused:

[Magón]

I think the OP wrote except the state, not except THAT OF the state, meaning the state as only authority.

I think I understand what they meant, although it reminded me of a quote by Mussolini... :)

For some reason, I read that whole post and just LMFAO when you said Mussolini. :lol:

[danyboy27]

its not a mosque, its a community center, with a basket ball court and a kicthen.

[GPDP]

its not a mosque, its a community center, with a basket ball court and a kicthen.

Indeed, but the word community center just doesn't have the SCARE FACTOR that mosque does, at least not to middle America.

[Dimentio]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state. Religion is the opium of the masses.

No. The Ground Zero Mosque debacle is caused by xenophobia, not anti-religion.

[Chambered Word]

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[RadioRaheem84]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state.

You seem like a bit of a troll considering the other thread you've started. This reeks of a subtle right-libertarian accusation that we "statists" worship the state.

[The Intransigent Faction]

its not a mosque, its a community center, with a basket ball court and a kicthen.

Not to mention it's two blocks away and not visible from ground zero.

So in other words, the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" is not really on Ground Zero and is not a mosque!

[727Goon]

I believe that none of this controversy would materialize if there was no religion besides the state.

I see you troooolllliiiiiin.

[RadioRaheem84]

Ridin' dirty, indeed. :lol:

[AK]

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[Widerstand]

I am confused...

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[AK]

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Head = asplode.

[Adil3tr]

Again; we'd just find something new to fight about; haven't any of you read Marx? the fighting associated with religion isn't caused by opposing ideas or ideas of god, but rather, the lack of material comfort in this life provided by inefficient resource distribution.

Again, if religion disappeared tomorrow, we'd be fighting over sport's teams and colors and--oh, wait...

I don;t always agree with this guy but in this case he is a 100% right

[mo7amEd]

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Care to elaborate? :D

[danyboy27]

Again; we'd just find something new to fight about; haven't any of you read Marx? the fighting associated with religion isn't caused by opposing ideas or ideas of god, but rather, the lack of material comfort in this life provided by inefficient resource distribution.

Again, if religion disappeared tomorrow, we'd be fighting over sport's teams and colors and--oh, wait...

if you eliminate nationalism and put the current ressource gestion out of order to replace it with a functionnal system, the only thing i could imagine that would be source of warfare would be religion.

Religion where not created beccause of the lack of material confort, but rather beccause it was an easy way out back then to explain and give a sense to the world. Evil spirits explained disease, the creation of the world by god explained the big bang, gods will over the world explained the functionning of its ecosystem and the creation of man.

we where intellectually weak, we where looking for pattern, the bible, the koran and other religions book where created to explain the pattern of life.

Now that we have advanced science and phylisophy, we can more clearly understand what going on, and speculate about our purpose without constantly refering to those bronze age beliefs.

[AK]

if you eliminate nationalism and put the current ressource gestion out of order to replace it with a functionnal system, the only thing i could imagine that would be source of warfare would be religion.

Religion where not created beccause of the lack of material confort, but rather beccause it was an easy way out back then to explain and give a sense to the world. Evil spirits explained disease, the creation of the world by god explained the big bang, gods will over the world explained the functionning of its ecosystem and the creation of man.

we where intellectually weak, we where looking for pattern, the bible, the koran and other religions book where created to explain the pattern of life.

Now that we have advanced science and phylisophy, we can more clearly understand what going on, and speculate about our purpose without constantly refering to those bronze age beliefs.
Very true. But one of the reasons many people turn to religion today is the comfort it brings (as opposed to the idea that this was why it was created).

[Adi Shankara]

if you eliminate nationalism and put the current ressource gestion out of order to replace it with a functionnal system, the only thing i could imagine that would be source of warfare would be religion.

Or sports teams...or political parties...or gang colors (remember, not every gang member is socio-economically poor)...or greed...or language...or race...or ethnicity...or history...

the list goes on. I think it's simple-minded and lazy thinking to make every problem in the world a reductio ad religio.

even in a world where Marxism is installed globally, problems will still exist, seeing as humans aren't uniform carbon copies. to eliminate war completely is impossible (I think at least), but we can sure as hell reduce it to a rarity with Marxism.



we where intellectually weak, we where looking for pattern, the bible, the koran and other religions book where created to explain the pattern of life.

You know what else is intellectually weak? the idea that something came out of nothing within an anthropic principle of only a few billion years for no reason whatsoever spawning life forms that shouldn't exist since they run contrary to Occam's Razor.

But hey, human beings never were a smart bunch. We just like to think we are.

[AK]

Or sports teams...
Most sports violence is between different national teams.

or political parties...
There sure as hell had better not be any political parties in communism.

or gang colors (remember, not every gang member is socio-economically poor)...
But many gangs are are violent because of racial tensions as well as the criminalisation of drugs; leading to an illegal underground drug trade and ensuing drug wars. Legalise them, none of this shit happens.

or greed...
How does one steal something in a gift economy?

or language...
There have never been any wars about language - and if cultural hate exists for the same reason as racial or ethnic hate, there's no chance of a language war ever.

or race...or ethnicity...
My best understanding is that a revolution founded in internationalism will both nearly destroy ethnic hate as well as destroy class based society which ultimately has been the cause of ethnic pride and hate.

or history...
All wars are for the purposes of economic domination, so how the fuck does this work?

Anyway, the only way I could see history between peoples causing violence is if nationalism or racism existed... which hopefully won't in any communist society.

[danyboy27]

Or sports teams...or political parties...or gang colors (remember, not every gang member is socio-economically poor)...or greed...or language...or race...or ethnicity...or history...

the list goes on. I think it's simple-minded and lazy thinking to make every problem in the world a reductio ad religio.
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and all those issues are linked to nationalism.
i dont think war can be completly eliminated, but without nationalism or capitalism, you dont have much to fight for, except religion or the return of capitalism/slavery.

[danyboy27]

You know what else is intellectually weak? the idea that something came out of nothing within an anthropic principle of only a few billion years for no reason whatsoever spawning life forms that shouldn't exist since they run contrary to Occam's Razor.

But hey, human beings never were a smart bunch. We just like to think we are.
but nobody says that.
if its your perception of what other people said about the big bang you are doing it wrong

[Adi Shankara]

but nobody says that.
if its your perception of what other people said about the big bang you are doing it wrong

You know the Big Bang was first theorized by a Jesuit priest from Belgium who tied it to a belief in divinity being the initial spark or first-cause?

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Or no religion at all. There, you have no illogical thinking about a sky-man and no religious warfare.


Then their parties leader is worshiped like God.

[Adi Shankara]

If that idea is so ridiculous, where did your god come from?

Oh, ignorance.

my "god" isn't a god in that sense; Brahman is the very life force itself that all sentient beings experience collectively. In Hinduism, the world kind've arised out of nothingness from what was called the cosmic egg, but even before, Brahman was still there as the ultimate reality.

Dharmic religions just really aren't that simple.

[Mindtoaster]

Oh, ignorance.

my "god" isn't a god in that sense; Brahman is the very life force itself that all sentient beings experience collectively. In Hinduism, the world kind've arised out of nothingness from what was called the cosmic egg, but even before, Brahman was still there as the ultimate reality.

Dharmic religions just really aren't that simple.

Thought you were a standard Christian for some reason, my bad.

[KurtFF8]

Is it just me or has there been a serious influx of trolls at RevLeft lately?

[Gabe87]

Religions makes for a great excuses for the ruling class to declare wars or commit various atrocity remaining hidden behind the "its god/allah/jehowah/etc will" phrase.

Personaly , the "ground zero mosque/community center" could be a church or a sinagog and the only thing that would change would be the god they prey , they all worth the same in my opinion.
At the end organised religions are all about giving your money in exchange for confort.

Still this will make a great excuse for that nazi/xenophobic part of society to come out and scream its hatred against muslims.