"Mosque at Ground Zero an Insult to All Christians and Americans"

[incogweedo]

"the name 'Cordoba house' is a deliberately insulting term"
-note: they're changing the name of it to Park 51

"Until there is a church or synagogue in Mecca, there should be NO mosque at ground zero"

"A christian or a jew would be killed if they tried to enter Mecca, i say we put up the same roadblocks. NO muslims in NYC, or NO muslims in america."

"I'm sick of their messed up views and immoral beliefs in a false god"

"they want to put up a mosque near ground zero to symbolize their conquest"

"They're trying to take over the world, people... Islam is not a religion, but an ideology. Its a political way of life"

"And here we [Americans] have a muslim president, trying to run the country into the ground"



"The president says we are no longer a christian nation... I JUST WANT TO PUKE EVERY TIME I HERE THAT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMSWyUxkr8

tQMSWyUxkr8


If you haven't seen this guy yet, watch his whole video. He rants with discrimination and bigotry over the whole "OH NOEZ RADICAL MUSLIMZ MAKING A GROUND ZEE-ROH MOZK". Everyone, help me rate him down, and leave comments on how he is a bigot douchebag watching too much fox news. He has just about ALL of his facts wrong. Just a christian fundamentalist at their best.

here are the REAL facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0

QZpT2Muxoo0



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[counterblast]

Insulting America and Christianity? Finally Islam does something right!

[incogweedo]

but the thing is... they're not insulting ANYONE, they just want to build a community center with islamic worship space on the top 2 stories. im sure if they wanted to build a protestant church at the same spot, this would not be an issue at all to the right wingers.

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

You have a point there. The reason that people are freaking out like this is because of all of the fear mongering that occured during the early 2000's that was, in turn, never dealt with. So now, we are being confronted with its stigmatic effects on society and truth be told, this hate and this fear is going to last in our society for a long time... unfortunately... :( When it comes to tolerance and positive changes, it seems as though they do not come until the current generations pass and the new younger generations take over...

[Klaatu]

Everyone, help me rate him down, and leave comments on how he is a bigot douchebag watching too much fox news. He has just about ALL of his facts wrong. Just a christian fundamentalist at their best.

(a) Fox News always gets everything wrong
(b) If Jesus were alive, he would slap this joker silly

[empiredestoryer]

not at all is it an insult i tell you want an insult is.... seeing us troops in iraq

[gorillafuck]

These people don't like to let facts get in the way of their bigotry.

[GPDP]

As disgusting as this is, our attention should be focused not at the misguided saps or even the outright bigots, but those at the top who are spreading this cancer and fanning the flames of Islamophobia for political gain.

That's not to say the misinformation should not be countered, of course. What I'm trying to say is, since the lies come from the likes of Fox News and the Republican Party, as long as they have the power to manipulate people and feed them racist bullshit talking points to shift policy ever rightward, there will be more and more reactionary assbags like the one in the video. It is important that we recognize what the source of the crap is.

[Sasha]

Plans to build a state-of-the-art library next to Republican catastrophe Sarah Palin are causing outrage across mainstream America. Campaigners have described the project as insensitive and a deliberate act of provocation by people with brains. The issue is forming a dividing line in advance of November's mid-term congressional elections with candidates being forced to declare whether they have ever been to a library or spoken to someone who has books in their home.... But Bill McKay, a leading member of the right-wing Teapot movement, said: "Sarah Palin is a hallowed place for Americans who can't read. How is she going to feel knowing that every day there are people going inside a building to find things out for themselves and have thoughts, right in the very shadow of her amazing nipples." He added: "Our founding fathers intended for every building in this country to be a church containing one book, written by Jesus, that would be read out in a strange voice by an orange man in a shiny suit who would also tell you who you were allowed to kill. Building a library next to Mrs Palin is like Pearl Harbour. Or 9/11."


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/outrage-over-plans-to-build-library-next-to-sarah-palin-201008193017/

[Crimson Commissar]

Insulting America and Christianity? Finally Islam does something right!
Good job at following the fucking stereotypes. You can't say that Islam should be protected and that Christianity should be insulted at every opportunity.

But, regardless, these Christians are idiots and DO deserve to be insulted. Just don't try to claim that Islam is any better.

[IndependentCitizen]

Not that I like Islam, or any form of religion.

I say build it, it's just going to piss the fascists, and racists off.

Anyone to fully believe that the 9/11 suicide bombers were acting of the Qu'ran's literature, rather than some religious nut-job's interpretation of the literature is a down right ignorant fool.

[Jazzhands]

If someone can equate Islam, the world's second-largest religion, with Al-Qaeda, then I can equate the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and every other crime of self-proclaimed Christians together with the author of this video. Tell them that.

It's not even a mosque, it's a glorified YMCA.

[Jimmie Higgins]

As disgusting as this is, our attention should be focused not at the misguided saps or even the outright bigots, but those at the top who are spreading this cancer and fanning the flames of Islamophobia for political gain.

That's not to say the misinformation should not be countered, of course. What I'm trying to say is, since the lies come from the likes of Fox News and the Republican Party, as long as they have the power to manipulate people and feed them racist bullshit talking points to shift policy ever rightward, there will be more and more reactionary assbags like the one in the video. It is important that we recognize what the source of the crap is.

Yeah, Howard Dean, Joe Lieberman (no suprise from that pro-war hawk), and many other top Democrats are also supporting the calls for "sensitivity for [some imaginary hypothetical] 9/11 victims". Even the Democrats and liberal pundits and writers who are defending the mosque are enabling Islamophobia by conceding to racist demands to "find out where the Mosque get's its money" and by treating the right-wing anti-arab/islam hysteria as a "serious concern".

I say fuck that - allowing the mosque to be investigated and go under more scrutiny than some McDonalds built 2 blocks away from ground zero is racial profiling and the same as saying that it's reasonable for brown people with facial hair to be strip-searched at airports.

The UK Guardian had a good piece on insta-celeb blogger Pamela Geller who has been drumming up this anti-mosque jihad and appearing on the news networks:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/8/20/1282325620048/Pamela-Geller-006.jpg (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/20/rightwing-blogs-islam-america)


SIOA is behind a series of advertisements opposing the "Ground Zero Mega Mosque", as Geller calls it, which appeared on the sides of New York buses this week picturing a plane flying into one of the World Trade Centre towers and a mosque divided by the question: Why Here?

We should be asking - where does she get her money? My guess is the kind of organizations and people mentioned later in the article:



As extreme as that may seem, Geller and her views have been embraced by leading politicians such as Newt Gingrich, the former Republican speaker of the US House of Representatives, and John Bolton, the conservative former US ambassador to the UN, who are scheduled to speak at a rally against the controversial New York Islamic centre organised by Geller for September 11.

Gingrich this week likened the planned centre to putting Nazi signs outside the Holocaust museum.


The campaign against the centre also has the backing of Liz Cheney, daughter of the former vice-president and prominent conservative activist in her own right.
Or maybe she gets her funding from terrorist groups since she ideologically pals around with violent racists like South African racists groups and Serbian supremacists and the EDL!


But while Geller has inserted herself into mainstream politics in America, she has also aligned herself with far-right causes across the globe including the English Defence League in Britain, white supremacists in South Africa and Serbian war criminals.
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But her principal outlet is her blog, Atlas Shrugs (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/), named after the philosophical novel by the arch-conservative Russian emigre, Ayn Rand, which promoted "the morality of rational self-interest".


In Atlas Shrugs, Geller lays bare her sympathies with extremist groups across the globe. She has vigorously defended Slobodan Milosevic, the former Serbian president who died while on trial at The Hague for war crimes, and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps in the 1990s.


She has allied herself with racist extremists in South Africa in promoting a claim that the black population is carrying out a "genocide" of whites.
The website also carries a picture of Geller hugging Geert Wilders, the far-right Dutch politician who advocates banning the Qu'ran and the construction of new mosques, and runs a support campaign for him as he faces trial for incitement to hatred.


Geller has also spoken out in favour of the English Defence League. When the anti-Islamic organisation was planning a rally outside parliament earlier this year, she wrote: "How I wish I could be there to stand with the English Defense League".


Geller has claimed regular contact with the EDL leadership and recently published a screed by the organisation's spokesman, Trevor Kelway. She said in one of her blogs: "I share the EDL's goals ... We need to encourage rational, reasonable groups that oppose the Islamisation of the West and not leave it solely to fringe groups like the BNP."


Geller has also said the EDL is misrepresented. "The EDL is routinely smeared in the British media, as the Tea Party activists are smeared in the US media ... There is nothing racist, fascist, or bigoted about the EDL," she wrote.


While mainstream politicians in Britain and other parts of Europe generally steer clear of the likes of the EDL, Wilders and Serbian war criminals, Geller is providing a bridge between foreign extremists and prominent politicians in the US.


But her cause isn't just a populist one of "defending America" and protecting the unnamed hypothetical 9/11 families who would be offended by the mosque... her hate is right from the top of society:

Geller, a former associate publisher of the New York Observer, is often found in the professional company of Robert Spencer, a bestselling author who is less generally visible but is taken more seriously as a scholar among conservatives.


Spencer, who describes himself as a consultant to the US military, the FBI and the government's joint terrorism taskforce, is the author of several books, including Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs. He also runs a high-profile website, Jihad Watch (http://www.jihadwatch.org/), which helped raise some of the tens of thousands of dollars to pay for the New York bus poster campaign.


Together the pair launched several organisations including the FDI, which says it is fighting "specific Islamic supremacist initiatives in American cities" and hunting down "infiltrators of our federal agencies", and SIOA, which calls itself a human rights organisation and is tied to a similar group, Stop Islamisation of Europe, which goes by the motto: "Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense".


One member of the board of the Freedom Defence Initiative is John Joseph Kay, who has written that all Muslims are out to kill ordinary Americans: "Every person in Islam, from man to woman to child may be our executioner. In short, that there are no innocents in Islam ... all of Islam is at war with us, and that all of Islam is/are combatant(s).(sic)"


Geller and Spencer wrote a book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America, for which Bolton provided the forward.


Geller writes for an Israeli media network based in the occupied territories that is the voice of the Jewish settler movement and runs another website, Leave Islam Safely (http://leaveislamsafely.com/), which claims to offer guidance on how to escape the religion without being killed.
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Wilders is scheduled to appear on stage at the September 11 anti-mosque rally alongside Gingrich, Bolton and Gary Berntsen, a candidate for the US Senate.



So on the one hand this islamophobia is to help right-wing politicians win elections, but it is also another example of the scapegoating being used by the system right now to divide people and channel their anger towards racism rather than the economic system and unemployment and so on.


The Southern Poverty Law Centre, the most prominent hate monitoring group in America, said that the campaign against the Islamic centre near Ground Zero had mixed political exploitation with hate-mongering.

"The politicians and other opportunists are stoking the fires," said Marc Potok, who heads the centre's operation to monitor the extreme right. "The politicians are in it because they want to win more seats. The Pamela Gellers of the world apparently will do anything they can to attack Islam and this Islamic centre has provided them with a very large opening."

[GPDP]

Yeah, Howard Dean, Joe Lieberman (no suprise from that pro-war hawk), and many other top Democrats are also supporting the calls for "sensitivity for [some imaginary hypothetical] 9/11 victims". Even the Democrats and liberal pundits and writers who are defending the mosque are enabling Islamophobia by conceding to racist demands to "find out where the Mosque get's its money" and by treating the right-wing anti-arab/islam hysteria as a "serious concern".

I say fuck that - allowing the mosque to be investigated and go under more scrutiny than some McDonalds built 2 blocks away from ground zero is racial profiling and the same as saying that it's reasonable for brown people with facial hair to be strip-searched at airports.

Thank you for adding that onto what I was saying. I really should've done it myself, but I was tired and just wanted to post a quick blurb on the subject.

You're absolutely right, of course. It may be the right-wing that is spearheading the shitstorm, but it is the liberals that are affording them the room to do so either by also opposing the mosque on grounds of "sensitivity," or by weakly defending it while conceding to the right that it should nevertheless be investigated. It should come as no surprise, then, that the majority of people oppose the center, when the only talking points in the media range from "well it should be built but we need to investigate its funding" to "the ayrab musleems are trying to take over 'mericuh and train terrists by building their mosc on Ground Zero."

With such a narrow spectrum of views on the issue that completely ignores or even rejects the real facts behind the so-called "mosque" as well as the absence of an unwavering defense of its building and a thorough rejection of the paranoia and blatant racism and political opportunism present in the "debate," it's no wonder so many people buy into this bullshit.

[gorillafuck]

Good job at following the fucking stereotypes. You can't say that Islam should be protected and that Christianity should be insulted at every opportunity.

But, regardless, these Christians are idiots and DO deserve to be insulted. Just don't try to claim that Islam is any better.
Muslims should be "protected" from slander. I don't see how anyone who thinks of themself as anti-racist could disagree with that, Muslims are constantly victimized and scapegoated in the United States that to portray anti-Muslim sentiment as being on par with anti-Christian sentiment is just ignorant.

And quit it with this talk of "following stereotypes". Should counterblast avoid saying certain things because counterblast is arab, as to not follow stereotypes?

[progressive_lefty]

This was extremely funny -> video link (http://antonyloewenstein.com/2010/08/21/jon-stewart-is-fox-news-a-terrorist-command-centre/)

[Ocean Seal]

I agree with GPDP. While want to smash these bigots as bad as the next communist, we shouldn't forget that their are merely doing the bidding of the capitalist system. This mosque "controversy" is used by the right to rile up the people. The people get mad they forget that there are still people starving, still people losing their jobs, still people without healthcare, still people without education and at the end of the day. Mosque or no mosque that doesn't change. I am 100% building this recreation center, and I believe that it should be treated like any other building and that we should make a point to attack capitalism and show the people what the true interests behind the oppositions "concern" truly are.