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Nothing Human Is Alien
19th August 2010, 22:01
HAVANA – Fidel Castro is showcasing a theory long popular both among the far left and far right: that the shadowy Bilderberg Group has become a kind of global government, controlling not only international politics and economics, but even culture.

The 84-year-old former Cuban president published an article Wednesday that used three of the only eight pages in the Communist Party newspaper Granma to quote — largely verbatim — from a 2006 book by Lithuanian-born writer Daniel Estulin.

Estulin's work, "The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club," argues that the international group largely runs the world. It has held a secretive annual forum of prominent politicians, thinkers and businessmen since it was founded in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland.

Castro offered no comment on the excerpts other than to describe Estulin as honest and well-informed and to call his book a "fantastic story."

Estulin's book, as quoted by Castro, described "sinister cliques and the Bilderberg lobbyists" manipulating the public "to install a world government that knows no borders and is not accountable to anyone but its own self."

The Bilderberg group's website says its members have "nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern" once a year, but the group does nothing else.

It said the meetings were meant to encourage people to work together on major policy issues.

The prominence of the group is what alarms critics. It often includes members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, senior U.S. and European officials and major international business and media executives.

The excerpt published by Castro suggested that the esoteric Frankfurt School of socialist academics worked with members of the Rockefeller family in the 1950s to pave the way for rock music to "control the masses" by diverting attention from civil rights and social injustice.

"The man charged with ensuring that the Americans liked the Beatles was Walter Lippmann himself," the excerpt asserted, referring to a political philosopher and by-then-staid newspaper columnist who died in 1974.

"In the United States and Europe, great open-air rock concerts were used to halt the growing discontent of the population," the excerpt said.

Castro — who had an inside seat to the Cold War — has long expressed suspicions of back-room plots. He has raised questions about whether the Sept. 11 attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. government to stoke military budgets and, more recently suggested that Washington was behind the March sinking of a South Korean ship blamed on North Korea.

Estulin's own website suggests that the 9/11 attacks were likely caused by small nuclear devices, and that the CIA and drug traffickers were behind the 1988 downing of a jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, that was blamed on Libya.

The Bilderberg conspiracy theory has been popular on both extremes of the ideological spectrum, even if they disagree on just what the group wants to do. Leftists accuse the group of promoting capitalist domination, while some right-wing websites argue that the Bilderberg club has imposed Barack Obama on the United States to advance socialism.

Some of Estulin's work builds on reports by Big Jim Tucker, a researcher on the Bilderberg Group who publishes on right-wing websites.

"It's great Hollywood material ... 15 people sitting in a room sitting in a room determining the fate of mankind," said Herbert London, president of the Hudson Institute, a nonpartisan policy think tank in New York.

"As someone who doesn't come out of the Oliver Stone school of conspiracy, I have a hard time believing it," London added.

A call to a Virginia number for the American Friends of Bilderberg rang unanswered Wednesday and the group's website lists no contact numbers.

Castro, who underwent emergency intestinal surgery in July 2006 and stepped down as president in February 2008, has suddenly begun popping up everywhere recently, addressing Cuba's parliament on the threat of a nuclear war, meeting with island ambassadors at the Foreign Ministry, writing a book and even attending the dolphin show at the Havana aquarium.

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Here's Fidel's article: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/reflections-i/19agosto-34reflexiones1.html

Dimentio
19th August 2010, 22:12
Okay, wouldn't surprise me of Estulin also is one of the believers that Jewish bankers are financing communism...

This, my friends, is called dementia.

KurtFF8
19th August 2010, 23:26
Fidel Castro fascinated by conspiracy theory

How disappointing.

RadioRaheem84
19th August 2010, 23:32
This makes me wonder just how in the know leftist politicians are in anyways? For a man as high in a position as Fidel or even Chavez, they seem to believe in some strange conspiracy stuff, which makes me wonder if they have just as much access to stuff as we do?

RedSonRising
20th August 2010, 03:29
If certain top sectors of the capitalist class conspire to make a significant political event change history, I wouldn't be surprised. Usually conspiracy theories amount to nothing more than a backroom isolated creepy satanist-oriented version of the capitalist class designing something singular and in itself very impacting, which if you consider the capitalist class does this on a broader and consistent basis, doesn't really matter. Fidel has talked about his interest in the JFK assassination and other conspiracy theories. Some are pretty laughable, but in general I as a Marxist treat them as just juicer stories that don't make a difference in whether or not the capitalist class was responsible for some self-interested atrocity. If you think about it, any hidden act considered criminal could be a conspiracy theory and we could easily all be considered conspiracy nutjobs for our knowledge of certain histories by your average uneducated voter.

The Vegan Marxist
20th August 2010, 03:49
I don't really care if he believes in these theories or not. As long as his initial support goes out to the Proletarian struggle, then nothing else really matters. Besides, reports like this are only created to try & demonize these famous figures.

fa2991
20th August 2010, 03:52
He's pretty obsessed with the JFK conspiracy, too, isn't he?


reports like this are only created to try & demonize these famous figures.

Well, the source is an article comrade Fidel himself wrote, isn't it?

gorillafuck
20th August 2010, 03:55
He's very old and he's going a bit nuts. It's not that wild. I wouldn't make too much of it, regardless of your position on Castro and Cuba.

A.R.Amistad
20th August 2010, 03:55
It was just the man's birthday. If he wants a conspiracy theory with his cake he'll get one!

my support is for the Cuban workers and toilers more than Fidel Castro. I admit, this is disappointing but doesn't alter my support for the Cuban Revolution.

Lenina Rosenweg
20th August 2010, 04:01
I would question to what extent Fidel was ever much of a Marxist thinker. This would be even more true for Chavez. In Cuba Raoul was the communist. In the Cuban revolution Che was to the left of Fidel.

Anyway it doesn't really matter all that much what the private thoughts of leftist politicians are.Fidel could believe the global ruling class is made of reptiloids. It these leader's role in history and their sometime and imperfect personification of the class struggle which is important.

fa2991
20th August 2010, 04:07
I would question to what extent Fidel was ever much of a Marxist thinker. This would be even more true for Chavez. In Cuba Raoul was the communist. In the Cuban revolution Che was to the left of Fidel.

Just because he was more reserved doesn't mean that he's less of a Marxist. I think he is just less brash and impulsive than Che and Raul, which places him above them in my book. In the end, Raul turned out to be the one moving in the direction of capitalist restoration and Fidel is the hardliner.

Qayin
20th August 2010, 04:44
In regards to the Bilderberg Group I made this post awhile back

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1814505&postcount=42

Read the stuff on Bilderberg I made. Its not a bad thing Castro is against the Bilderberg but it lacks Analysis and the only critiques that exist are ones from the "New World Order" right wing conspiracists

RadioRaheem84
20th August 2010, 04:54
Aren't the one worlders supposed to help build socialism?:lol:

Qayin
20th August 2010, 04:57
Aren't the one worlders supposed to help build socialism?http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif


Thats whats funny about this all

RedRise
20th August 2010, 10:18
Elderly clinging-on socialist leaders tend to have a reputation for believing conspiracy theories. Nothing new here. Fidel's managed some things well but its getting pretty silly now.

Devrim
20th August 2010, 10:31
He's very old and he's going a bit nuts. It's not that wild. I wouldn't make too much of it, regardless of your position on Castro and Cuba.

This along with the 'imminent' nuclear war really does make you suspect that he is losing it upstairs.

Devrim

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
20th August 2010, 10:39
Okay, wouldn't surprise me of Estulin also is one of the believers that Jewish bankers are financing communism...

This, my friends, is called dementia.

That he is. Estulin is a vicious anti-communist, and in addition, a religious wacko. He once went on about the Soviet Union never collapsing and so on.