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The Vegan Marxist
19th August 2010, 02:25
This can get moved where ever if needed, but I've always been curious at what exactly was Marx was doing in this photo below. Was he holding something or was it just a natural pose for him, what?

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/photo/marx/images/75km2.jpg

Who?
19th August 2010, 02:29
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Napoleon_in_His_Study.jpg

He was a big Napoleon fan?

It was a common pose in the 19th century.

Lyev
19th August 2010, 02:30
Move this to chit-chat so I can say a funny!
Oh stuff that, he's rubbing his left nipple because he likes the warm feeling it gives inside. ;) Or maybe it's fashion for the times or something, or maybe he just likes his hand in there. What's the relevancy?

KC
19th August 2010, 02:32
Why is Napoleon depicted with his hand in his coat?

By Tom Holmberg ([email protected])

Many theories have been presented as to why Napoleon is traditionally depicted with his hand in his waistcoat. Some of these theories include: that he had a stomach ulcer, he was winding his watch, he had an itchy skin disease, that in his era it was impolite to put your hands in your pockets, he had breast cancer, he had a deformed hand, he kept a perfumed sachet in his vest that he'd sniff surreptitiously, and that painters don't like to paint hands. A simpler and more elegant theory is contained in an article entitled, "Re-Dressing Classical Statuary: The Eighteenth-Century 'Hand-in-Waistcoat' Portrait." by Arline Miller. Art Bulletin (College Art Association of America), Vol. 77, No.2, March 1995, p.45-64. Miller points out that the 'hand-in' portrait type appeared with "relentless frequency" during the eighteenth century and became almost a cliched pose in portrait painting. The pose was used so often by portraitists that one was even accused of not knowing how to paint hands. "In real life," Miller observes, "the 'hand-held-in' was a common stance for men of breeding." Miller goes on to give many examples of this posture in painted portraits dating from the early and middle 1700s, well before Napoleon's birth. In 1738 Francois Nivelon published A Book Of Genteel Behavior describing the "hand-in-waistcoat" posture as signifying "manly boldness tempered with modesty." Miller says that the hidden hand was a feature of some statues of the ancient Greeks and Romans and that later painters based their poses on classical models. The pose was recommended by certain classical writers as a useful posture for orators. Aeschines of Macedon (390-331 B.C.), an actor, orator and founder of a school of rhetoric, who wrote an important book on oratory, postulated that speaking with one's arm outside the toga was considered ill-mannered. A number of textbooks on oratory published in the eighteenth century, following Aeschines, recommended this gesture. Although Miller doesn't mention it, it is possible that the great French actor Talma, who reportedly trained Napoleon in Imperial comportment, may have been familiar with these works.


Miller concludes with an addendum on Napoleon: "Today the 'hand-in' gesture is, of course, best known from its personalized revival in the nineteenth century. Surely most people would recognize the pose as Napoleon's inimitable trademark — which David rendered indelible in his commanding portrait of 1812 ["Napoleon in his Study"]... It is not surprising that when Napoleon's reputation plummeted, a subtly arched postural inflection made the gesture decidedly imperious... The enduring French association is in fact somewhat ironic, in that the gesture had a voguish run as an English portrait convention long before it became Napoleon's quasi-military emblem."


The painting by Jacques-Louis David (1748-1825), "Napoleon in his Study", the most famous expression of Napoleon in his classic pose, was not painted for the Emperor, but was commissioned by a Scottish nobleman, Alexander Douglas, an admirer of Napoleon. Napoleon did not sit for the portrait, so David painted it from memory. Etienne Delecluze, a student and early biographer of David's, opined that the painting was a "poor likeness" and "too ideal." Napoleon, however, told the artist, "You have understood me, my dear David."


Source (http://www.napoleon-series.org/faq/c_hand.html)

In other words, it's the 19th century equivalent of a meme.

scarletghoul
19th August 2010, 02:33
hes pleasuring himself.. yes he truly was a great man...
see how he must use both hands, to play it like a delicate bassoon

The Hong Se Sun
19th August 2010, 02:42
They are both packing heat booooooyyyyyyy, but seriously I think people just did this as a like hand in the hoodie type thing.

Aloysius
19th August 2010, 02:49
My father's theory is that his fingers were stuck like he was flippin' the bird.

Aloysius
19th August 2010, 02:50
Perpetual flippage, he called it.

#FF0000
19th August 2010, 02:53
In other words, it's the 19th century equivalent of a meme.

*Myspace angle

#FF0000
19th August 2010, 02:57
But no seriously it's his phylactery

Nachie
19th August 2010, 03:28
what's funny is that i looked down at my tattoo of KM and said "oh yeah, that is his hand"

Raúl Duke
19th August 2010, 03:30
a flask of alcohol

scarletghoul
19th August 2010, 03:41
theres a way of looking at it where it looks like a funny giant frog thing peeping out of his jacket. like, if you imagine the pendant as the eye and the line on his hand as the mouth

The Vegan Marxist
19th August 2010, 03:42
a flask of alcohol

nah, gotta be a joint!

Buffalo Souljah
19th August 2010, 04:56
nah, gotta be a joint! Actually, it's his pimp cane... pimp cane ftw.http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs204.snc4/38535_841215440625_27428307_46055385_1093789_n.jpg

gorillafuck
19th August 2010, 05:02
He had a bag of weed but his dad just walked in so he had to hide it.

leftace53
19th August 2010, 05:04
I just figured there was a pocket on the inside and he rested his hand inside. :blink:

scarletghoul
19th August 2010, 05:05
He had a bag of weed but his dad just walked in so he had to hide it.
i find it hard to believe karl marx had parents

The Vegan Marxist
19th August 2010, 06:08
i find it hard to believe karl marx had parents

That's 'cuz Karl Marx was GOD!!!!

Khalid
19th August 2010, 09:08
He's ready to pull his gat out.

Invincible Summer
19th August 2010, 09:37
He's ready to pull his gat out.


This. Marx was packin'

Volcanicity
19th August 2010, 10:29
A bottle of hair dye,he only got as far as his moustache before being interrupted.

Wanted Man
19th August 2010, 12:50
http://www.davno.ru/posters/collections/stalin/img/poster-01.jpg

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