View Full Version : Can only the Bourgeoisie be Elected in Representative Democracy
hobo8675309
18th August 2010, 15:49
I'm sorry, but even in Communist Russia, or Socio-Capitalist Scandinavia, only the wealthy can afford to stage a campaign in favor of themselves. Thus said, direct democracy appears to be more socialist than representation. Why does it seem that the Revleft community has yet to support it?
Charles Xavier
18th August 2010, 15:59
Depends on the rules of the "democracy" ones where the bourgeioisie get immense state and private funding, where there is restrictions of who can runs and costs involved in the campaign monopoly of TV and other mass media exposure then yes, elections are unevenly tilted towards bourgeioisie parties. However working class parties can get elected as they did in Bolivia and Venezuela recently. And working class governments get elected in Cuba and North Korea on a regular basis.
Obs
18th August 2010, 15:59
I'm sorry, but even in Communist Russia, or Socio-Capitalist Scandinavia, only the wealthy can afford to stage a campaign in favor of themselves. Thus said, direct democracy appears to be more socialist than representation. Why does it seem that the Revleft community has yet to support it?
Are you seriously comparing the USSR to present-day Scandinavia?
Dimentio
18th August 2010, 16:01
The point is that politicians are powerless in a representative liberal democracy, since the constitution is preventing them from violating private property rights.
hobo8675309
18th August 2010, 16:04
Yes. Despite Scandinavia having a moderately higher awesomeness rating than USSR< both are ruled by elite capitalists who claim that they will help the workers, while in fact, scandinavia focuses all of its economic strength on subsidizing multinational firms like Ikea, and Soviet Russia directed all of its economic strength intogoing to space faster than America, or making nukes.
Obs
18th August 2010, 16:11
Yes. Despite Scandinavia having a moderately higher awesomeness rating than USSR< both are ruled by elite capitalists who claim that they will help the workers, while in fact, scandinavia focuses all of its economic strength on subsidizing multinational firms like Ikea, and Soviet Russia directed all of its economic strength intogoing to space faster than America, or making nukes.
What.
graymouser
18th August 2010, 16:44
Workers and their representatives are elected all the time in bourgeois parliaments. In many European countries, there are traditional social democratic parties, or in Britain the Labour party, which have roots in the trade unions and even at different points claimed to have a socialist vision of society. In the United States there is no such party, and there is effectively no representation of the working class as a class. However in Europe the social-democratic and Labour leadership is thoroughly corrupted by the bourgeoisie and in effect these are what are called "bourgeois workers parties" that genuinely have a working class constituency but work against the class as such.
But in the US, money pretty much wins elections, so the bourgeoisie has it all in the bag.
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