i dont give a fuck about religion and atheism

[scarletghoul]

why is the internet full of so much boring shit about atheism and shit. im an atheist but srsly its annoying theres like a trillion videos and websites and threads all about why some guy doesnt believe in god WHO CARES !!! its fucking annoying i mean revlefts full of it too, fucking all these freds about religion and atheism who gives a fuck its a load of boring shit

bottom line is why the shit do so many people get obsessed with being atheist and spend all their time on internet talking about it like everyone else should give a shit and like theyre saying anything original. fucking hell it pisses me off so much,,. who the fuck are you. youre not fducking special for not beliveing in god you fucking shit . i dont care, most peopple dont, shut the fuck up talking about religion i dont give a shitting fuck

[#FF0000]

Because it's easy.

[scarletghoul]

it is its ridiculously easy, dont people feel like pointless stupid shits when they spend time explaining tit ?? its like if i made a video for youtube going on like 10 minutes about why i dont eat dog turd, slowly explaining all the reasons
whats the fucking point srsly

[Adi Shankara]

why is the internet full of so much boring shit about atheism and shit. im an atheist but srsly its annoying theres like a trillion videos and websites and threads all about why some guy doesnt believe in god WHO CARES !!! its fucking annoying i mean revlefts full of it too, fucking all these freds about religion and atheism who gives a fuck its a load of boring shit

bottom line is why the shit do so many people get obsessed with being atheist and spend all their time on internet talking about it like everyone else should give a shit and like theyre saying anything original. fucking hell it pisses me off so much,,. who the fuck are you. youre not fducking special for not beliveing in god you fucking shit . i dont care, most peopple dont, shut the fuck up talking about religion i dont give a shitting fuck

"I desire there to be less trifling with the label ‘atheism’ (which reminds one of children, assuring everyone who is ready to listen to them that they are not afraid of the bogeyman), and that instead the content of philosophy should be brought to the people".

--Karl Marx, November 24, 1842

***

Never truer words than from Marx himself. I have no problem with atheists and enjoy many of them, except when some of them act like children trying to prove they're not afraid of the god (aka the "bogeyman" Marx was referring to) that supposedly doesn't exist to them, yet feel the need to denounce and place utmost importance on in atheist arguments in an effort to lull (what I can only imagine is) their sense of insecurity.

It's kind've like how on Encyclopedia Dramatica, the mods and sysops noted there was more whining and talk of god on the talk page for atheism than for any other religious page combined. Or you go onto youtube, and you can just see rant after rant about Christianity (always Christianity) and how they don't believe in god, as if that piece of information entitles them to some reward or a cookie or something. go on a video that explicitaley mentions Jesus in passing, and they'll be millions of comments or thumbs down with "Hitchens is so smart christins suk LOL" when Christopher Hitchens is neither in the video or the video doesn't even talk about christianity or god to begin with. it's really fucking annoying.

tl;dr: I like most atheists, except the whiny mainstream ones with victim complexes that rival those of christian preachers.

[NecroCommie]

Well isn't that immature. Because I can explain my non-belief I must actually believe and be afraid too?

And about the entire thread: Are you honestly claiming that religious beliefs have no impact in this world? If no, then does it not follow that we should combat those beliefs? If yes, then I have never ever witnessed such denial.

[Wanted Man]

Militant atheist in America (except perhaps the most 'liberal' areas): pretty brave; it takes some amount of guts to stand up to centuries of strongly religious traditions, often including family, friends, etc.

Militant atheist in Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, etc.: who cares? Half of the population has no religion. Some of the more trendy ones have replaced mainstream Abrahamic religions with an East Asian religion, "spiritual" gurus, the paranormal (in our great enlightened secular society, millions of people are still hooked on TV shows about the paranormal) or just plain old "Somethingism". Big whoop. Nobody cares if you think religious people are dumb sheep. You're not original and you're not edgy.

[NecroCommie]

You're not original and you're not edgy.
Did it ever occur that just perhaps that might not be the intention?

[Wanted Man]

Well then, in that case, they are mostly just regular atheists like most of us here, who are kind of cool about it. The ones who get really in-your-face about it are usually also the ones who firmly believe that the people from the bible belt are all inbred, god-fearing country bumpkins.

[Adi Shankara]

Militant atheist in America (except perhaps the most 'liberal' areas): pretty brave; it takes some amount of guts to stand up to centuries of strongly religious traditions, often including family, friends, etc.

Actually, since you live in the Netherlands, and probably don't know, I'll tell you that it's the exact same in the United States; atheists are almost never persecuted, and most average people really don't care if they want to condemn god or not. it's the exact same thing in Western Europe, it's become boring to the mainstream.

[Who?]

Sankara is right, I'm an atheist in a county that voted for Bush in '04 and I never catch heat.

[NecroCommie]

One must understand that I can strongly oppose all religion without opposing religious people. Religion is an idea, not a description of a group of people. If someone thinks atheism attacks religious people, or if there are "atheists" that attack religious people, they have understood something extremely wrong.

Also, to say that religion does not matter, is to assume that religious worldview is somehow equal to all others. Which is complete nonsense. As a claim, "god exists" is vastly inferior to the claim "god does not exist".

[Raúl Duke]

why is the internet full of so much boring shit about atheism and shit.

because its the internet and it's full of unwarranted self-importance

You yourself has put up the prime example:


theres like a trillion videos and websites and threads all about why some guy doesnt believe in god WHO CARES !!!

They need to know they're not special, unique and should STFU.

[Queercommie Girl]

Marxism is fundamentally atheistic/materialistic. But Marxist atheism differs from bourgeois atheism in that Marxism does not see religion/atheism as purely an abstract issue of the intellect, but something that has a very strong socio-economic basis. Religion is the "opium of the masses" and the "spirit of an un-spiritual world".

Marxism ultimately seeks to make all religions fade away. But this is something that can never be achieved through rational arguments alone, and even less so through direct political force. As long as the socio-economic conditions for the existence of religion still persist, religion will never disappear, no matter how hard one tries to argue against it in the abstract. Consequently Marxists believe in the general freedom of religious belief as a basic democratic right, and we try to defeat religion not by attacking it directly, but by transforming the socio-economic base on which religions emerge in the first place.

An exception is that explicitly reactionary branches of religions should be attacked directly, such as those that clearly promotes sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia, like Islam in Iran and Christian fundamentalism in the West, or if a religious organisation actively becomes the political partner of an explicitly reactionary political force, such as when the Catholic Church supported Hitler in some ways.

[NecroCommie]

Agreed!

[Mindtoaster]

Actually, since you live in the Netherlands, and probably don't know, I'll tell you that it's the exact same in the United States; atheists are almost never persecuted, and most average people really don't care if they want to condemn god or not.

Believe it or not, the whole of the USA is not where you live. Shits the exact opposite down here

I mentioned being an atheist while eating at a Wendys with some friends today and I received scowls from some of the other patrons

[Adi Shankara]

I mentioned being an atheist while eating at a Wendys with some friends today and I received scowls from some of the other patrons

OPPRESSION!!! you must know what it's like to be struggling with the proletariat the way they felt the sting of the White Russian forces on their tail, as you chomped on your gloriously oppressed ration of wendy's hamburger meal.

Seriously, you should bring to attention your personal plight and struggle. someone made a scowl about your belief in a Wendy's. that is very serious oppression on scale with institutionalized slavery.

Maybe they just didn't like the way you dressed?

[revogirl]

I think that being an atheist or not being one does does and should not matter in the slightest.
The point is is that we should all be free to believe what we want and if we choose to believe god or Allah or whoever exists then he or she exists and if we do not then they don't.
This should be a personal private decision either way and not get in the way of an equal world society where everyone is on an even footing.
I think extremism in both religion and by the same token atheism is wrong.

[Bilan]

OPPRESSION!!! you must know what it's like to be struggling with the proletariat the way they felt the sting of the White Russian forces on their tail, as you chomped on your gloriously oppressed ration of wendy's hamburger meal.

Seriously, you should bring to attention your personal plight and struggle. someone made a scowl about your belief in a Wendy's. that is very serious oppression on scale with institutionalized slavery.

Maybe they just didn't like the way you dressed?

Maybe your opinion is less universal than you think it is?

[Tablo]

I get a lot of shit for being an atheist where I live. I've even lost a few friends over it, but I guess they weren't real friends if my lack of religion is enough for them to turn on me.

[black magick hustla]

atheists do get a lot of shit for being atheists in a lot of the US. i dont know what sankara is talking about. if you are in bumfuck knowhere white village michigan or in bumfuck knowhere deepsouth you can get ostracized fr that. i hate college militant atheists though.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I get a lot of shit for being an atheist where I live.

might have something to do with the fact that you live in 'bama.

[black magick hustla]

especially when you are a teenager

[Animal Farm Pig]

I haven't noticed a lot of stuff about atheism on the internets. Maybe it's because I haven't gone looking for it.

My parents never bothered to talk to me about religion. Imagine my surprise when I went to school and kids started talking about God, and Jesus, and whatnot. I told them that their ideas were stupid, and there's no such thing as an invisible guy who knows everything and can do everything. After that... well... I have a very vivid memory of being chased around the playground by a gang of kids who wanted to slam me against the red wooden fence with nails sticking out it. They were shouting, "This is what it's gonna be like when the devil is chasing you in hell!"

[GPDP]

I stopped giving a shit about arguments about religion on the internet long ago. They're annoyingly common, yes, and when they start they go on for pages upon pages and nothing gets accomplished. In the end, I have learned to ignore them and to disassociate myself both from the religious and the militant atheists (who almost always happen to be liberals so their politics are shit to begin with).

Seriously, I'm an atheist, but I recognize that going around, making threads titled "a challenge to Christians" on fucking video game forums, or writing comments about how "jesus sux LOL" on a bloody Hannah Montana video on Youtube is fucking irritating not just to the religious, but to those who couldn't give two shits about the argument, ESPECIALLY when you recognize that what will kill religion is not arguing against it, but a change in conditions that make religion thrive.

[La Comédie Noire]

I hate when people have ideas they think are really profound, but they turn out to be things I discovered when I was 15.

"There is no god!"

"We invented language!"

[Quail]

I don't think I actually know anyone who is religious, but in the UK I guess that's less surprising. It's not people's personal beliefs that I dislike about religion, but more the way that religion is very often oppressive in the way that it treat certain people and how closed minded some religious people can be. I also completely agree with the idea that religion is the opium of the people. It's kind of a way of making sense of the world's injustices without actually blaming anyone.

[al8]

it is its ridiculously easy, dont people feel like pointless stupid shits when they spend time explaining tit ?? its like if i made a video for youtube going on like 10 minutes about why i dont eat dog turd, slowly explaining all the reasons
whats the fucking point srsly

It's because you would if you had an organized dog turd eating chapter in your town working zelouzly to make you eat dog turds. Having hot girls shun you because you don't eat dog turd. Having a family that disowns you for not eating it. Being fired from your job for not eating dog poop etc.

If it would be as semi-normalized as religion you would be able to develop a strident reaction to it - just as atheism is to god belief.

[GPDP]

I also completely agree with the idea that religion is the opium of the people. It's kind of a way of making sense of the world's injustices without actually blaming anyone.

Are you kidding? That's the first thing those who look to religion to explain the world do. To that sort of people, all the problems in the world come from a lack of faith, or worse, heresy and sin.

I saw this just last week when I went to a funeral for a friend's grandpa, who happened to be a real dyed-in-the-wool Jesus freak. I never met the man, but I had heard that he was pretty religious. I had no idea he and the people he surrounded himself with were as off the deep end as I had the unfortunate luck to witness. I got to hear the church's pastor go on a 40 minute rant - and mind you, this was a funeral, for one of his best friends, no less - about how all the hurricanes, the oil spill, and all the turmoil in "our great country" and the world could be traced back to there being not enough TRUE believers in "our lord and savior Jesus Christ." It was scapegoat after scapegoat for him, and people would nod their heads enthusiastically and go "amen, brother."

With religion, there's always plenty of people to blame. If we're in the shits, it's because WE failed God, and all our misery is God's way of saying "you keep fucking up, and things will get worse."

[Quail]

Okay, well maybe it's just my experience of the arguments I've heard for why all the shit happens (such as "God is testing us", etc) and my experience of trying to kid myself that I believed in something as a way of avoiding my problems that has made me think that.

[the last donut of the night]

scarlet are you drunk

[al8]

I prophisize that this is going to be a long, drawn out and accomplishing nothing. We really all should stop and consider the social foundations of scarletgouls problems and battle them instead.

[HEAD ICE]

i feel atheism jumped the shark when i read on an atheist message board that someone didnt like raiders of the lost ark because the plot rested on the existence of the abrahamic god

[mollymae]

I agree that there is a whole community of militant atheist douchebags on the internet who, for people who claim to be so independent-minded and anti-dogmatism, are awfully dogmatic. But I think this community, if you will, arises as a kneejerk reaction from people who really do feel like religion has been shoved upon them in some way. We can't judge this by location completely. I live in a fairly secular part of the US, but there is still a Mormon church in my town, for example. It would be very difficult to grow up in a very religious family, going to church 3 times a week, being taught this religion as long as you can remember; and then growing a bit older and realizing that it's not for you. People are coming from situations in which their entire family and people that they have known all their lives could disown them for abandoning their religion. It makes sense that militant atheism would appeal to some people, because it would make them feel more confident in their beliefs.

[Pavlov's House Party]

You can't argue religion into non existence. All religions have a social, economic basis namely the contradictions of class society, and once these contradictions are removed in a classless society the basis for religion is removed as well.

Ultimately these videos of 14 year olds on Youtube arguing THE MOST DEFINITIVE PROOF GOD DOES NOT EXIST are an exercise in futility because religion will always exist so long as it has a material basis in human society. If you fight for a classless society, you are thus ultimately fighting for a society free from religious thought as well.

[Adi Shankara]

I agree that there is a whole community of militant atheist douchebags on the internet who, for people who claim to be so independent-minded and anti-dogmatism, are awfully dogmatic. But I think this community, if you will, arises as a kneejerk reaction from people who really do feel like religion has been shoved upon them in some way. We can't judge this by location completely. I live in a fairly secular part of the US, but there is still a Mormon church in my town, for example. It would be very difficult to grow up in a very religious family, going to church 3 times a week, being taught this religion as long as you can remember; and then growing a bit older and realizing that it's not for you. People are coming from situations in which their entire family and people that they have known all their lives could disown them for abandoning their religion. It makes sense that militant atheism would appeal to some people, because it would make them feel more confident in their beliefs.

Maybe it's just where I grew up, but there was a druid temple next to a scientologist building next to a catholic church, but if you lived in San Francisco and held an atheist rally, people would stop to talk to you, probably debate you...but there was no oppression.

[praxis1966]

Maybe it's just where I grew up, but there was a druid temple next to a scientologist building next to a catholic church, but if you lived in San Francisco [my emphasis] and held an atheist rally, people would stop to talk to you, probably debate you...but there was no oppression.

That's the point, if you lived here or there. I think what aggravates me more than anything in discussions about the US, no matter who's doing the talking, is that people tend to assume that there's some semblance of homogeneity of opinion or culture (even amongst people who are from the US). To say that there's little to no religious oppression in the US is to admit you've never been to Utah, Mississippi, or the Panhandle of Florida (where I grew up). Granted, there's not really any government repression in most places, but the social stigma attached to being irreligious, or even being religious but not a Christian, is pretty goddammed weighty in some places. I can't tell you how many times I was surround by fundamentalist Christians, on campus, when I was in high school by people trying to convert or condemn my beliefs...

EDIT: To give you an indication of what my high school was like, there were daily "Meet Me at the Pole" events where students met at the flagpole to engage in Christian prayer (a rather disgusting conflation of religion and nationalism aimed at resistance to "them debil worshipers are uh tryin' to kick Jeebus out of our schools"). There were campus organizations called FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes), FCS (Fellowship of Concerned Students, and by "Concerned" they meant concerned about being good Christians and would harangue people in the hallways trying to rope them into meetings every morning), coaches led every team in prayer before athletic competitions, when I was a senior they established the weekday version of Sunday School in the guise of a "Bible as Literature" elective course, the anchor of a local news station once sang Amazing Grace at our fucking talent show (which was broadcast via ITV to the entire campus) and a student did likewise at an awards assembly called "Senior Night." Now they've introduced science textbooks that teach ID, and I'm sure before too long they'll be adopting history textbooks that conform to the new Texas Board of Education standards (http://www.revleft.com/vb/texas-state-board-t137237/index.html). It's pretty goddammed pervasive, and nonconformity means persecution. And by the way, did I mention this was all at a public high school?

[Mindtoaster]

OPPRESSION!!! you must know what it's like to be struggling with the proletariat the way they felt the sting of the White Russian forces on their tail, as you chomped on your gloriously oppressed ration of wendy's hamburger meal.

Seriously, you should bring to attention your personal plight and struggle. someone made a scowl about your belief in a Wendy's. that is very serious oppression on scale with institutionalized slavery.

Maybe they just didn't like the way you dressed?

:bored:


Irrelevant strawman

All I implied was that in many places in this country it is socially unacceptable to be an atheist and you can be ridiculed or persecuted for being one.

[scarletghoul]

lol what a great op
' i dont give a shitting fuck'

[Queercommie Girl]

:bored:


Irrelevant strawman

All I implied was that in many places in this country it is socially unacceptable to be an atheist and you can be ridiculed or persecuted for being one.

Which is one reason why the US is culturally more reactionary than Europe.

In Europe no-one gets ridiculed for being an atheist, but one might get ridiculed for being a non-mainstream fundie religious nut.

[ContrarianLemming]

The new fad: accusing atheists of being just as closed minded as those they oppose

never seen a shred of evidence for this outside of self hating atheist syndrome, closely corrolated with self hating leftist (poor bookchin)

[ContrarianLemming]

Which is one reason why the US is culturally more reactionary than Europe.

I'm European and I have been harrassed for being an atheist.

[Queercommie Girl]

I'm European and I have been harrassed for being an atheist.

I think there might be a difference in culture between continental European countries like France and Germany and a country like Ireland.