"We've got to stop the Mosque at Ground Zero!"

[durhamleft]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaQBrTROj2w&feature=player_embedded#!

[Invincible Summer]

I was both enraged at and thoroughly embarrassed for the person who wrote this song.

And calling Ground Zero a "sacred place" is really bizarre. Same with the use of the word "hero" for all the people who died. No offense, but other than the firefighters, they were all business people who didn't know what hit them. How is that heroic?

it seems like dumb people like to cheapen words

[The Vegan Marxist]

And I'll respond to this load of bullshit with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seH_gnUzj-E

[Adi Shankara]

And calling Ground Zero a "sacred place" is really bizarre.

True story: this is literally a block from the "Sacred ground" that is Ground Zero:

http://daryllang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/groundzero02.jpg

Holy strip club?

[Rusty Shackleford]

google mosque and look at manhattan island. you will get 6 blips in roughly a mile from ground zero.

[leftace53]

Yea, its pretty ridiculous. I posted this on reply to a friend's facebook status on the same topic, it made me lol:

http://www.americanprogress.org/cartoons/2010/08/img/081610.jpg

[28350]

"In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003."
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_a_sea_of_filth_near_ground_zer0_mosque_gets_all _the_press_but_porns_around_corne.html

[bailey_187]

Is there Japanese restaurents in Hawaii?

[Adi Shankara]

Is there Japanese restaurents in Hawaii?

That's a little bit random...

[Rusty Shackleford]

That's a little bit random...
japan bombed hawaii which ended up pulling the US into WWII. basically the '9-11' of the last century.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Is there Japanese restaurents in Hawaii?

There is a shinto shrine on the road to pearl harbour.

[Adi Shankara]

There is a shinto shrine on the road to pearl harbour.

not to mention that almost everyone living in Aiea (a mile from Pearl Harbor) is Japanese American, Japanese immigrant, or second generation Japanese

[hobo8675309]

people are very biased against minority religions. if a christian bombed the democratic convention would we have such an obhjection if they were to build a church near the site?

[hobo8675309]

oh yes, and, despite popular opinion, osama bin laden didnt attack the world trade center for religious reasons at all. he attacked the twin tower because the united states invaded the middle east. shortly after 9/11, when i was in school, one of my classmates said we should bomb them back in the middle east to make them understand how hard it was. if the united states accepted this olan and bombed an afghani skyscraper in response to bin laden suicide bombing the world trade center, it would be equally cruel, but nobody would accept it as so. to sum it up, if this third grader had as much power as bin laden, he would be equally vicious, so what we ought to do is accept that its partially our fault that more vicious islamic leadership resorted to terrorism. if the muslims understand this as well, building a house of worship is their way of accepting it as partially their fault as well, and now it is the usa's turn to take some blame.

[Rusty Shackleford]

people are very biased against minority religions. if a christian bombed the democratic convention would we have such an obhjection if they were to build a church near the site?
a christian shot an abortion doctor in a church. there wasnt much outcry against christianity afterwards.

[bailey_187]

That's a little bit random...

just trying to know where to eat on my holiday bro

[AK]

INDIA Since 9/11
RADICAL ISLAM
KILLED: 4298
INJURED: 9835IRAQ Since 3/20
CAPITALIST IMPERIALISM
KILLED: ca. 115,000 (minimum)
INJURED: ca. 10,600

[Devrim]

shortly after 9/11, when i was in school, one of my classmates said we should bomb them back in the middle east to make them understand how hard it was.

I think the US had already done so, repeatedly.

Devrim

[Devrim]

http://www.americanprogress.org/cartoons/2010/08/img/081610.jpg

Nobody mentioned either how the 9/11 attack was organised by a millionaire. I saw no headlines saying 'Millionaire attacks the US', or that the majority of the attackers were Saudi nationals either.

Devrim

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Nobody mentioned either how the 9/11 attack was organised by a millionaire. I saw no headlines saying 'Millionaire attacks the US', or that the majority of the attackers were Saudi nationals either.

Devrim

But the saudi's are our oil rich friends!

[Sasha]

"In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003."
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_a_sea_of_filth_near_ground_zer0_mosque_gets_all _the_press_but_porns_around_corne.html


thats so going in my sig

[Os Cangaceiros]

True story: this is literally a block from the "Sacred ground" that is Ground Zero:

http://daryllang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/groundzero02.jpg

Holy strip club?

strippers didn't attack us on 9/11

[Red Commissar]

I posted this on another thread, think it holds relevance here.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/opinions/kelly/95748769_On_this_ground__zero_tolerance.html?page= all


"A Mosque at Ground Zero Spits on the Graves of 9/11," one placard proclaimed. Another sign depicted a toilet, with this message: "This is a Mosque. Do You Want it Built at Ground Zero?"

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

"Go home," several shouted from the crowd.

"Get out," others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

"I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here," a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

And for those of you curious where it's going to be placed,

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=51+Park+Place+NYC&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=55.060677,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=51+Park+Pl,+New+York,+10007&ll=40.713728,-74.0097&spn=0.005709,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.713716,-74.01022&panoid=Us4xiwH8CceaIJoQTKt8fg&cbp=11,62.99,,0,-24.28

It's going to occupy the spot of that old Burlington Coat Factory. The wingnuts have tried to backpedal and say that since this building was damaged from falling debris from the Twin Towers it should also be considered part of Ground Zero.

Though of course this has been in planning for awhile; it only became spammed in news networks a few months ago after the New York Post ran one of their ever accurate and fair articles, with Fox and other outlets along for the ride.

Lots of misinformation and flaming fires of hate really. And really I think the media outlets timed it conveniently for the Republicans to rile up their constituency, along with the 14th amendment issue and the immigration bills being debated in other places.

At any rate, it's obvious a lot of people have acted idiotically in approaching this situation.

Of course all this being preached by the same people telling government not to get involved in religious affairs (as long as it isn't theirs, at least) and that they shouldn't be interfering with private property.

Really for me the main thing this has shown me is the hypocrisy of those trying to prevent its construction. Particularly about this nonsense about a zone of exclusion around Ground Zero for mosques.

http://www.cagle.com/working/100528/bors.jpg

[Klaatu]

if the muslims understand this as well, building a house of worship is their way of accepting it as partially their fault as well, and now it is the usa's turn to take some blame.

That is a good point; perhaps the Muslims in NYC feel outraged by the 911 attacks as well, therefore their way of asking forgiveness might be to build a holy shrine nearby the WTC area? Their way of honoring the dead; and their own dead (someone mentioned in another thread that 60 Muslims were murdered in the WTC.)

[leftace53]

Despite the whole freedom of religion thing, maybe they should build some public housing/shelter/food bank/other help for the homeless instead. Maybe I'm crazy but I just can't stand it when perfectly good resources go to constructing an empty building for people to do something which they can do at home (pray).

[727Goon]

On one hand I can actually understand where these people are coming from. I imagine a synagogue being built next to a place where Isreal had bombs would/has gotten the same reaction. Doesn't mean the people arent reactionary as hell for opposing it, and possibly racist, but I guess I can sort of see why some people would be offended as misguided as they are.

[GPDP]

Can we stop pretending the virulent opposition to the mosque is not rooted in less-than-subtle racism, please?

It's not even about hypocrisy or double standards. This is a blatant offensive by the right-wing in the media and the Republican party to unite and rile up their base through tried-and-true xenophobia, Islamophobia, and racialism.

[727Goon]

Can we stop pretending the virulent opposition to the mosque is not rooted in less-than-subtle racism, please?

It's not even about hypocrisy or double standards. This is a blatant offensive by the right-wing in the media and the Republican party to unite and rile up their base through tried-and-true xenophobia, Islamophobia, and racialism.

I'm just talking about the victims families who are all upset. I dont think being anti-Islam is necessarily racist, but probably most people who are anti-Islam just dont like Arab people.

[Magón]

I'm just talking about the victims families who are all upset. I dont think being anti-Islam is necessarily racist, but probably most people who are anti-Islam just dont like Arab people.

But they are willing to accept their Black Gold. So it's a love/hate relationship with these nut jobs.

And I LOL'd when I heard the song. Just hilarious lyrics, and at one point I thought the guy said "We gotta give'm a Enima." :confused::lol:

[the last donut of the night]

strippers didn't attack us on 9/11

what bin laden does on weekends is none of your business, you jerk

[anticap]

http://www.americanprogress.org/cartoons/2010/08/img/081610.jpg


http://www.cagle.com/working/100528/bors.jpg

Both of these should be added to the political cartoon thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/political-cartoon-thread-t100534/index.html).

[stella2010]

and we are bound by capitalism.

ooops the oil merchants are here

[Ztrain]

The Mosque is led by a Muslim who was activeley helping Bush find "Radical Muslim Terrorists" and works against fundamentalist Islam...plus Theyre building churches near my house...me being a queer, I find that very insulting:lol:

[Sasha]

The Mosque is led by a Muslim who was activeley helping Bush find "Radical Muslim Terrorists" and works against fundamentalist Islam...plus Theyre building churches near my house...me being a queer, I find that very insulting:lol:


not only that but its financed by the (saoedi) second mayor shareholder (after murdoch) in foxnewscorp, so in effect, by the advertisement income raised by the same biggots protesting the mosque :lol:

[L.A.P.]

I wonder if there is such a moral outcry when there is a Catholic Church built near an elementary school? I thought not.:closedeyes:

[Tatarin]

Oh no, guys, you've all misunderstood. They're reserving that place for the George Bush I:sts Masoleum. People must be able to remember why a country is free by looking at it's leader's rotting corpse.

[nsm88]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.

[bcbm]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.

cool story bro

[Volcanicity]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.
Come on admit it.youve just had your first taste of alcohol and its gone straight to your head.

[Chambered Word]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.

How interesting please tell me more.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/01/16-22/kid_on_computer.jpg

[durhamleft]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.

Canny story mate, got any other tales?

[durhamleft]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.

Also 'national socialist movement 88', go fuck yourself you Nazi scum. You should be ashamed of yourself you racist piece of shite, your entire family should be disgusted to know scum like you.

[Invader Zim]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.


Side with the enemy? I am the fucking enemy; at least of everything racist dickheads like you stand for.

[Obzervi]

Ok I don't really understand this support for Islam, which is a reactionary cult which applies draconian punishment to homosexuals and people who engage in casual sex. Islam is no friend of the left.. The only reason to support this mosque would be to stand up to intolerance and xenophobia.


fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.
We won't have to fight, whites are becoming a minority whether you like it or not. Nothing you can do about it. :lol: I love seeing mixed race couples with mixed race children, its beautiful.

[Volcanicity]

Ok I don't really understand this support for Islam, which is a reactionary cult which applies draconian punishment to homosexuals and people who engage in casual sex. Islam is no friend of the left.. The only reason to support this mosque would be to stand up to intolerance and xenophobia.
Isnt that reason enough?

[Obzervi]

Isnt that reason enough?
True for the time being, but in the long run Islam will either have to go through reform or being eliminated in a post-revolutionary society.

[Volcanicity]

Well its never going to be reformed,and why should it?To suit rascist bigots and to conform to their standards.

[Autumn Red]

fuck everyone of you. this is fucking america not some rag heads place of warship. this is a land made for americans not blacks or mexicans or rag heads. i fight for this country and if they build that place then we have lost everything we have as americans. they are pissing on liberty by building that "thing". they are good for nothings who come here for a free ride. but i wont go down easy. ill pick up arms when it comes time to protect this beautiful land we have. all you will side with the enemy. i can tell you if you side with them when the time comes i wont hesitate to pull the trigger on any one. thats coming from a true american hero. so just know that.http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2000/20001017/burn_us_flag.jpg
This is coming from a true hero. So just know that.

[durhamleft]

Ok I don't really understand this support for Islam, which is a reactionary cult which applies draconian punishment to homosexuals and people who engage in casual sex. Islam is no friend of the left.. The only reason to support this mosque would be to stand up to intolerance and xenophobia.


We won't have to fight, whites are becoming a minority whether you like it or not. Nothing you can do about it. :lol: I love seeing mixed race couples with mixed race children, its beautiful.

So all Muslims apply draconian punishments to homosexuals and people who engage in casual sex? All Muslims take this view I take it you daft noob?

[KurtFF8]

If anything, the past few years should have taught Americans that racism is quite alive and well in the United States

[Ztrain]

was that a joke? I hope so?:(

[KurtFF8]

?

[timbaly]

This issue annoys me. It doesn't deserve media attention. As much as I don't like Islam and don't like the idea of Islam expanding in any form it's obvious that the mosque is 100% legal. It's also obvious that the mosque is really a community center that happens to have a mosque in it. It's gonna be like a similar Jewish community center in the borough that acts as an after school hangout place for kids of all religions. Even though 70% or so of Americans oppose the project only about 50% of NYC residents oppose it. The main issue here is capitalism. Since the USA is a capitalist society there should be no controversy regarding what someone is doing with a legally acquired piece of private property. No laws are being broken here.