a challenge to the Youtube Atheist community

[Black Sheep]

I've been thinking for a while to make a callout / challenge to the atheists in youtube.When i say atheists, i mean from the ordinary god basher to the behemoths of the scepticism-atheism-science troika or more
(like Thunderfoot,DonExodus,Amazingatheist , or maybe the atheist experience folks etc).

Not a challenge to PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL LOL, but an 'invitation' for them to use and apply the same exact logic they used to overcome the religious indoctrination and become atheists, to the political system itself.
Any tips on the way this should be presented / any thoughts of what (if any) is going to come out of this?

[Adi Shankara]

I've been thinking for a while to make a callout / challenge to the atheists in youtube.When i say atheists, i mean from the ordinary god basher to the behemoths of the scepticism-atheism-science troika or more
(like Thunderfoot,DonExodus,Amazingatheist , or maybe the atheist experience folks etc).

Not a challenge to PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL LOL, but an 'invitation' for them to use and apply the same exact logic they used to overcome the religious indoctrination and become atheists, to the political system itself.
Any tips on the way this should be presented / any thoughts of what (if any) is going to come out of this?

They simply won't. as much as I'll get negged or shat upon for this comment (since many atheists really do believe they are smarter than others, lol), there is as much a cognitive dissonance in the atheist community as the theist community.

Take Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins for example; Hitchens claims to be a man of logic, yet believed in a useless war on insufficient evidence and bigoted stereotypes. Richard Dwakins believes aliens exist with no evidence to prove it at all.

if that's not cognitive dissonance, I don't know what is.

[Raúl Duke]

any thoughts of what (if any) is going to come out of this? Nothing, but I say this because I really don't care about those losers.


if that's not cognitive dissonance, I don't know what is. I don't think you know what that term even means.


Richard Dwakins believes aliens exist with no evidence to prove it at all.They're using math (Drake Equation) and stuff to claim that "aliens" are likely to exist. I doubt they ever said "I believe without a doubt aliens exist;" If they did than they're indeed idiots and just being too hopeful.
However, it's a controversy really. There's also the Rare Earth theory that explains why intelligent lifeforms have not been found/contacted/etc

[Adi Shankara]

I don't think you know what that term even means.


They hold beliefs against the concept of faith in ideas, yet they put faith into other ideas despite the conflict of reason. i.e, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, et al.

[Raúl Duke]

That may be the case for those 3 but doesn't apply to many atheists, especially those who didn't need Dawkins help to reach the conclusion and/or care much for those 3.

However, you can also try asking those youtube atheists about it; either way I think it would be a waste of time.

[mikelepore]

apply the same exact logic they used to overcome the religious indoctrination and become atheists, to the political system itself.

Sort of related to your question....

I've been thinking lately that we on the left should produce one of the standard "skeptic" or "debunker" documents or websites, including the usual items (astrology, homeopathy, etc.) but also add a debunking of capitalist beliefs.

My own approach would be like this:

How can people say that the competitive market gives consumers what they want, when any product must already offered be offered for sale before consumers can possibly choose it, and when consumers are also limited to these choices that they can afford to pay for?

How can people say that the profit motive is the source of ambition and hard work, when the employees who do all of the work receive wages and not profits, and the stockholders who receive the profits don't perform any of the work?

How can people say that capitalism is the best way to reward hard work, when inheritance of wealth from one's ancestors, and, for some, inheritance of poverty from one's ancestors, regardless of whether you work hard or not, is such a fundamental truth about the economic system?

To me, this anti-capitalaist reasoning is similar to the reasoning used when debunking creationism and astrology and the other gibberish. I think we should invite the reader to make a smooth segue from the debunking of the usual paranormal topics to a debunking of capitalism. There will be some readers who stop abruptly and say "what the hell is this?", but there will also be some readers who will get the point.

[danyboy27]

I've been thinking for a while to make a callout / challenge to the atheists in youtube.When i say atheists, i mean from the ordinary god basher to the behemoths of the scepticism-atheism-science troika or more
(like Thunderfoot,DonExodus,Amazingatheist , or maybe the atheist experience folks etc).

Not a challenge to PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL LOL, but an 'invitation' for them to use and apply the same exact logic they used to overcome the religious indoctrination and become atheists, to the political system itself.
Any tips on the way this should be presented / any thoughts of what (if any) is going to come out of this?

i would really like to see this :D

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Richard Dwakins believes aliens exist with no evidence to prove it at all.

[citation needed]

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I think we have more important challenges than youtube atheists. Like youtube fascists, or youtube cappies. Or more importantly, real life fascists and cappies.

[Black Sheep]

i would really like to see this :D
Then frickin help out! :bored:
Make proposals about wording, style, appeal to X, content!

[CommunityBeliever]

Richard Dwakins believes aliens exist with no evidence to prove it at all.Richard Dwakins may very well believe that, however, Richard Dawkins is sort of agnostic on the existence of aliens, so he doesn't hold a fundamental belief that they exist, however, sometimes he does claim that they "probably" exist but that is based upon reason and evidence.

Since the universe is as large as it is, it is probable that abiogenesis did occur elsewhere, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that there is anything more then microscopic bacteria out there.


Not a challenge to PROVE GOD IS NOT REAL LOL, but an 'invitation' for them to use and apply the same exact logic they used to overcome the religious indoctrination and become atheists, to the political system itself.It will be challenging to relate those things as atheism is a lack of belief and communism is itself a belief.

However, I would start by refuting all the propaganda about communism that is present in people's minds, here is a start of things to refute:



Communists are blood-thirsty killers
Communism fails in practice (eg. the Soviet Union collapsed)
Communism = no monetary incentive = no incentive to work
Communists want to take away your computer, your refrigerator, all of your personal property and all the property you create with your work.
Communists are just like Nazis

People have been lied to so much about communism so I would start there.

[Black Sheep]

It will be challenging to relate those things as atheism is a lack of belief and communism is itself a belief.

However, I would start by refuting all the propaganda about communism that is present in people's minds, here is a start of things to refute:



Communists are blood-thirsty killers
Communism fails in practice (eg. the Soviet Union collapsed)
Communism = no monetary incentive = no incentive to work
Communists want to take away your computer, your refrigerator, all of your personal property and all the property you create with your work.
Communists are just like Nazis

People have been lied to so much about communism so I would start there. http://www.revleft.com/vb/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1840549)

No offence, but i guess i wont select america for my target audience.
These are stupid counterarguments, some of which i have addressed in youtube videos.
I am sure the "youtube intelligensia" do not share such pathetic defence lines against communism.
My idea was to just encourage and challenge them to use the same approach they used to examine and test faith and religion.

[Adi Shankara]

[citation needed]


DAWKINS: Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

Yeah, so while he doesn't say they exist, he is willing to suggest that it's possible that we were spawned onto the earth by aliens, and even suggests that evidence exists for this proposition.

wow.

[danyboy27]

DAWKINS: Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

Yeah, so while he doesn't say they exist, he is willing to suggest that it's possible that we were spawned onto the earth by aliens, and even suggests that evidence exists for this proposition.

wow.
i know that quote, he was arguing with some sort of creationist on the possibility of a creator and was debunking that a god in the sense of a biblical, coranic, of the term couldnt exist BUT that if we would have been created, the only logic possibility of all that would be alien, and that if it was the case, eventually we would find out.

he dosnt ask us to believe in alien.

but seriously i am not surprised, theologist like you have always been verry good at deforming and using quote out of context.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

DAWKINS: Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

Yeah, so while he doesn't say they exist, he is willing to suggest that it's possible that we were spawned onto the earth by aliens, and even suggests that evidence exists for this proposition.

wow.

Did you do some kind of anti-studying in order to wipe out any reading comprehension skills you may have picked up in your lifetime? Dawkins is saying he accepts the possibility that naturally evolved aliens may have created us, and that if so then the evidence can be found.

Let me make this clear - believing that something is possible is not the same thing as believing that something is actual.

[Adi Shankara]

Did you do some kind of anti-studying in order to wipe out any reading comprehension skills you may have picked up in your lifetime? Dawkins is saying he accepts the possibility that naturally evolved aliens may have created us, and that if so then the evidence can be found.

Let me make this clear - believing that something is possible is not the same thing as believing that something is actual.

so the same fool who believes in theoretical possibilities for aliens who harbor the technology to have created human life and spawn us on earth, doesn't believe in god?

where is the logic?

Quit defending your shepard, sheep.

[x371322]

Quit defending your shepard, sheep.

What the fuck? How exactly does defending a man's quotation translate into a blind following? Stop inventing shit to insult. He was just pointing out that you took that quote out of context, which you did. Besides, aliens seeding us is a LOT more likely than some God creating us by pure hocus pocus, I can tell you that much. At least we have good reason to infer that other planets harbor life. That's more than I can say for any religion.

For clarification, I do not believe that aliens seeded us (but I sure as shit don't believe an invisible superman did it).

[CommunityBeliever]

so the same fool

I don't respect that you would insult someone who dedicated his entire life to science, especially by calling him a fool.

I sure hope you are not getting this from the bible, which says "Atheists are fools who say in their heart there is no god."

I would like to point out that a belief in the infallibility of the bible is incompatible with a belief in communism because putting to death any worker who mows their lawn on a Sunday is simply unacceptable.


believes in theoretical possibilities for aliens who harbor the technology to have created human life and spawn us on earth

I don't see why that is that unreasonable, if the Aliens reached artificial intelligence and surpassed evolution and their biological limitations, then who knows what they would be able to accomplish. If they are in another galaxy and they harnessed the power of black holes and stars they may have been able to create wormholes in space which would transport them all across the universe.

It may have taken them a couple million years to find a habitable planet with their physical limitations and the rareness of habitable planets, however, perhaps they did find one and they seeded life on that planet, and perhaps they haven't come back to visit us yet because they have no way of creating a wormhole to return somewhere.


And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

Right, and until you find such evidence nobody is justified in believing in those aliens yet. Similarly, until you find such evidence for a god everybody should be an atheist. Everybody reasonable that is, if you are unreasonable go ahead and believe whatever unsupported belief you want, like the tooth fairy or the flying spaghetti monster and his delicious sphagettiness.


doesn't believe in god? where is the logic?

The logic is that until there is such evidence, evidence provided from such fields as biochemistry and molecular biology then people should continue to lack belief in aliens and until there is evidence for god (right now there is absolutely no good evidence of god or anything supernatural) then rational people should continue to be atheists.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

so the same fool who believes in theoretical possibilities for aliens who harbor the technology to have created human life and spawn us on earth, doesn't believe in god?

where is the logic?

It has been pointed out to you multiple times, you shit-for-brains. But instead of refuting or otherwise addressing what myself and others have said in reply to your obtuse questioning, you ignore it and harp on about the same old bollocks.


Quit defending your shepard, sheep.

Go fuck yourself, faith-head. It's becoming increasingly obvious that logic escapes you, that the demands of rational argument exceeds your faculties and that reason is beyond you. The good news is that you have the potential to learn better, if only you could get past the stubborn refusal to understand coherent statements that is your current defence mechanism against cognitive dissonance.

Now instead of calling people fools and hypocritically accusing them of being sheep, which is rich coming from someone who shares the unfounded theistic beliefs of the majority of this planet's ill-favoured human population, you could find within yourself some sliver of well-founded argumentation and demonstrate, for the benefit of all of us, just what precisely is so logically inconsistent about accepting the possibility of aliens, given what we know about physics and biology, versus the active belief in an anthropomorphic super-being of cosmic significance for which there is not a shred of reliable evidence.

Do you think you're up to the task?

[synthesis]

I seriously don't understand what you all are getting so heated about, but I'd love to see that too, to Black Sheep.

[danyboy27]

so the same fool who believes in theoretical possibilities for aliens who harbor the technology to have created human life and spawn us on earth, doesn't believe in god?
.
another gem from my favorite theologian.

you should learn to read young man, i have carefully explained in my last post the context of Dawkins quote and why it dosnt mean dawkins believe in aliens.



Quit defending your shepard, sheep.
Quit being a shitty theologian.

[Black Sheep]

Quit defending your shepard, sheep.
SHEPARD CAN DEFEND HIMSELF
http://www.dealspwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mass-effect2-shep.jpg

[Philzer]

Hi!


Richard Dwakins believes aliens exist with no evidence to prove it at all.

This may be. But he derives from it for himself no strategy!

I.e. he does not found demands from his propelling-steered part of the psyche, S.Freud called this the "Es", with it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Instanzenmodell_Freud.png&filetimestamp=20060512163950


The individual of the opportunistic formations defends his animal desires which Freud called the "Es", with dear and God's adorations before own reason to raise them thus above this.

Kind regards

[Raúl Duke]

SHEPARD CAN DEFEND HIMSELF
http://www.dealspwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mass-effect2-shep.jpg


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