Small Praise for Obama.

[AerodynamicOwl]

Coming into the election of Barrack Obama, i considered myself Neoconservative. Bush had just got done shitting all over the constitution, but i didnt really care. I was blissfully ignorant. Then i went through a rapid breakdown of my beliefs, and i found Socialism. Americans do not have that many freedoms left, in complete 20/20 hindsight. When the president stands up in front of a crowd of people, and voices his opinion in favor of Religious freedom, all i can say is :thumbup1:. Especially when the conservatives want to abolish the 14th amendment,(see link below) and what that means for the basic rights Americans legally have until revolution if sustained.

(http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Chap8.html)

[Bud Struggle]

This is all that "Soverign American" stuff. I'd be wary of any websites with statements like this:


To understand where we are today, we must go back and learn all the history lessons that we were never taught in the government schools. You see, the government doesn't want you to know this information, so they just don't teach it to you in the first place! Why do you think they are so against home schooling, where you can teach your own beliefs, and the truth?

[AerodynamicOwl]

This is all that "Soverign American" stuff. I'd be wary of any websites with statements like this:


The point of the article was lawful justification for using humans as debt collateral.

[Bud Struggle]

The point of the article was lawful justification for using humans as debt collateral.

Yea, I saw that--if you want to take that stuff seriously, more power to you.

[Conquer or Die]

The assault on the constitution will not go unpunished; I think there are quite a few out there who are willing to defend it against mob provocation.

That fascist fuck Geert Wilders was/is protesting against the Islamic Center.

Red Santa Claus should be making his list and checking it twice.

[RGacky3]

When the president stands up in front of a crowd of people, and voices his opinion in favor of Religious freedom, all i can say is :thumbup1:. Especially when the conservatives want to abolish the 14th amendment,(see link below) and what that means for the basic rights Americans legally have until revolution if sustained.

When Obama lives up to any of the campain promises he made, or even makes an attempt to, then I'll give him some credit, he campained fighting for single payer, and did'nt even fight for the public option, hell, he almost fought against it, he campained to fight the big banks and their stranglehold on their economy, his financial reform was a gift to the banking industry.

Obama has continued warrentless wiretaps, he's added assasination of Amarican citizens, and this little stunt on religious freedom he'll probably back up on as soon as the right says boo.

Obama makes Bill Clinton look like a progressive, in my opinion Obama should be strongly contested in the 2012 election from the left, Obama essencially his whole term just spat in the face of progressives, after they got him into power.

[AerodynamicOwl]

When Obama lives up to any of the campain promises he made, or even makes an attempt to, then I'll give him some credit, he campained fighting for single payer, and did'nt even fight for the public option, hell, he almost fought against it, he campained to fight the big banks and their stranglehold on their economy, his financial reform was a gift to the banking industry.

Obama has continued warrentless wiretaps, he's added assasination of Amarican citizens, and this little stunt on religious freedom he'll probably back up on as soon as the right says boo.

Obama makes Bill Clinton look like a progressive, in my opinion Obama should be strongly contested in the 2012 election from the left, Obama essencially his whole term just spat in the face of progressives, after they got him into power.



Yes, obama is an extension of the pirvate finance sector into government, yes obama is somewhat bushish on his domestic terrorist pursuit, BUT, none of this suprised me more, when obama stood up in favor of religious freedom. In his position's one of the very few things the president can do is stand up for our BASIC rights. It takes balls to tell the REPUBLICANS what the constitution says when democrats use the conservative holy grail against them.

I Love the sound of justice. even when its in the form of an angry whiny uppity folk claiming that they decry the government, when the small details in survival, like safe drinking water, Food, sanitation. Emergency services. Mail. The roads. your public education. the list goes on.

What these people took for granted was brought to be as a result of their savior free market's LACK of humanity on issues such as this.

Let them take power. let them deregulate the economy again.
Our case only gets stronger as time moves forward.

[RGacky3]

It takes balls to tell the REPUBLICANS what the constitution says when democrats use the conservative holy grail against them.


No it does'nt, he has a majority in the house and the senate, you don't need balls, you need half a brain cell. Your giving him way too much credit, so he screwed the people over on 99% of everything and not 100% so HE'S GOT BALLS, wow.

If upholding basic constitutional issues is something to give credit for your standards are WAYYY too low.


Let them take power. let them deregulate the economy again.
Our case only gets stronger as time moves forward.

In was never REregulated. The democrats need to have their heads held to the fire seriously by progressives. I'll give Obama credit when he fulfills at least one of his campain promises, or at least tries.

[synthesis]

When Obama lives up to any of the campain promises he made, or even makes an attempt to, then I'll give him some credit

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-kept/

[RGacky3]

Ohhhhhh, ok ok ok, point taken, but let me rephrase, promise to fundementally change anything, be it the healthcare system, or the financial industry, to getting out of Iraq. I mean fundemental things that got him elected, he ran on single payer, we did'nt get the public option, thats just one example.

[synthesis]

Of course he promised those things; people wanted to hear it. The fact that people actually believed that rhetoric represents one of the innumerable failures of the American educational system.

Given that America's political system is particularly reactionary - it's designed explicitly to equalize the voting power of rural and urban voters - I actually think he's made far more progressive accomplishments than people give him credit for. Obama tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge to get elected, and ultimately I think we can only blame the people who bought it. A similar thing happened with Kennedy, and the disillusionment with the "glorious sell-out," as Hunter Thompson put it, was almost certainly one of the catalysts for the upheavals of the late 60's. Only time will tell if history will repeat itself - but probably as farce.

[RGacky3]

Of course he promised those things; people wanted to hear it. The fact that people actually believed that rhetoric represents one of the innumerable failures of the American educational system.


No it does'nt, single payer healthcare is doable, its been done before, in every other industrialized country, financial reform has been done before.


Given that America's political system is particularly reactionary - it's designed explicitly to equalize the voting power of rural and urban voters

I suppose you talking about the Senate, it has nothing to do with equalizing rural and urban voters, if you look at how the Senate was made, it was supposed to be a parrallel of the house of lords, which it is, considering the Senate us MUCH easier to corrupt by corporations.


I actually think he's made far more progressive accomplishments than people give him credit for. Obama tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge to get elected, and ultimately I think we can only blame the people who bought it.

Single Payer COULD have been done, so COULD have regulation, he did'nt want too, he did'nt even try. Your making it seam like getting public health care and financial reform is like renaming new york assholetown, its not, it was very possible, and infact if it was attempted it, it would have been done, he had a majority in both houses, and had he maintained the slightest amount of principle along with half an athrophied testicle he could have done it, but Obama, is, a corporatist, I'll give him credit when he starts acting like a progressive.

The "progressive" accomplishments your talking about are pocket change, nothing fundemental, just liberal bandages.

His healthcare reform was nothing more than redistribution of wealth to the healthcare companies, the financial reform was nothing more than maintaining big banking power and protection. Along with that he added some bandages, so what. If he was a real progressive he would have made an attempt at addressing the fundemental issues.