Psychiatric drugs and admissions are up!!!

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

While I was writing my book "Capitalism, How it destroyed my families life" I come upon some info that you can use: Psychiatric drugs, along with Psychiatric Hospital admissions are up. Psychiatric drugs, 216.9 billion Prescriptions of "Xanax, Lexapro,Ativan,Zoloft,Prozac,Desyrel,Seroquel,Efex or and Valium" we're written in 2009. In 2010,for example, Kansas Department of social services has reported over crowding in their state Mental Institutions, so they are transferring new patients to private institutions.And this has been increasing since 2007.So connect the dots. with over 200,000 rental evictions, over 5 million foreclosures, bankruptcies are running at over 6,000 a day,in Illinois alone, 785,000 homes, or 1,630,000 individuals are receiving food stamps,with tens of thousands more turned down because of cuts,and 131,000 jobs lost in july alone which will increase all the above.

And this is how capitalism crushes rebellions, keep them in a drugged out stupor, unable to think about the cause of their problems. And when there is moments of clarity, they are told that it's their fault,"if you would have gone to collage, you'd be making a better living, it's the unions fault, they are causing the companies to move or it's the Immigrants fault, they're taking jobs"

And this is the problem that eats away at me like a cancer, how the hell to make a dent with the people, to want them transcend this shit hole.

[Adi Shankara]

And this is how capitalism crushes rebellions, keep them in a drugged out stupor, unable to think about the cause of their problems. And when there is moments of clarity, they are told that it's their fault,"if you would have gone to collage, you'd be making a better living, it's the unions fault, they are causing the companies to move or it's the Immigrants fault, they're taking jobs"

This is kind've bullshit, because if it wasn't for Fluoxetine and Propranolol, I'd probably be dead in a ditch somewhere with a needle stuck in my arm.

anti-PTSD and depression medication has real uses. some people literally have chemical or emotional disturbances left over from childhood. I'd say the benefits of drug therapy greatly outweight the bad. pills are not suited for everyone, but for people like me of which traditional therapy doesn't work, they saved my life.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

This is kind've bullshit, because if it wasn't for Fluoxetine and Propranolol, I'd probably be dead in a ditch somewhere with a needle stuck in my arm.

anti-PTSD and depression medication has real uses. some people literally have chemical or emotional disturbances left over from childhood. I'd say the benefits of drug therapy greatly outweight the bad. pills are not suited for everyone, but for people like me of which traditional therapy doesn't work, they saved my life.



You are taking this personal, I'm showing that the stress and strain of living under this economic systen causes emotional breakdowns. The link is there. It may have saved you, BUT these drugs have also caused suicides, which is a side effect of these drugs. it says so on the lable. And alot of side effects from these drugs require more drugs to counteract the side effect of the first drug. But the whole point of the post is to connect the rise in mental hospital admissions and psychiatic drugs to the rise of foreclosures, bankruptcies, unemployment and poverty.there is a difference between having a chemical imbalance and living the stress and strain of living under this system. so, again, you took it personal which caused you to miss the point.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

There is a family of brain damaging drugs called "neuroleptics" which cause the tongue to dart in and out, hands shake/tremors which can be perminate. they can also cause parkinsons symtoms. these drugs can, and have ruin the lives of many, many people, including my mom.Also, ECT or electro shock therapy is on the rise with seniors as they find themselves unable to survive, making ends meat. this "therapy" is the cause of 1,200 deaths a year.And when a post mortem was performed, endema was found on the brain.

[Qayin]

This is on par with Scientologist/Conspiracist criticism. I take Vyvanse and im fine.

[28350]

Zoloft

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

This is on par with Scientologist/Conspiracist criticism. I take Vyvanse and im fine.



So, are you saying that there is no connection with economic stress and depression and anxiety?

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

This is on par with Scientologist/Conspiracist criticism. I take Vyvanse and im fine.



And there is also people who say that they have no problems economically and capitalism is find. but is it? the point being, looking at just one piece of the puzzle[yourself] will not alow you to see the whole picture.

[Raúl Duke]

I used to take prozac and lamictal plus ritalin in various points in my life.

Now I don't, I didn't need them since they did not do much for me (and the lamictal was a case of misdiagnosis). although I do have a suspicion that I'm slightly perceptible to anxiety

I know a friend of mine who was on anti-depressants and he doesn't feel helped by them (Although studies are now adding to doubt the effectiveness of anti-depressants over placebos).

There are other people however, especially those with bipolar disorder, who say that their medicine (lamictal and the like) give them relief; so it's all relative to what issue/"disorder" we are talking about and the medication in question.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

I used to take prozac and lamictal plus ritalin in various points in my life.

Now I don't, I didn't need them since they did not do much for me (and the lamictal was a case of misdiagnosis). although I do have a suspicion that I'm slightly perceptible to anxiety

I know a friend of mine who was on anti-depressants and he doesn't feel helped by them (Although studies are now adding to doubt the effectiveness of anti-depressants over placebos).

There are other people however, especially those with bipolar disorder, who say that their medicine (lamictal and the like) give them relief; so it's all relative to what issue/"disorder" we are talking about and the medication in question.


Neuroleptics are the worst.

[Animal Farm Pig]

216.9 billion Prescriptions of "Xanax, Lexapro,Ativan,Zoloft,Prozac,Desyrel,Seroquel,Efex or and Valium" we're written in 2009.

So, that's somewhere around 35 prescriptions for every single person on the Earth. Damn, I only got one-- a prescription for Valium to help with very very painful muscle spasms. Maybe I'm not carrying my weight, but I think it's more likely that your statistic is suspect.

I don't disagree with the idea that the economic stresses created by capitalism can lead people to see psychological and psychiatric help; however, I don't think it's fruitful to focus too much on this issue. Maybe you find it provocative and interesting, but we should be more focused on the everyday evil of people without homes, children going to bed hungry, and the long term (mostly un-medicated) stress of living in poverty.

In any case, in the USA psychiatric drugs and psychological counselling are a mostly middle class issue. I would have loved to visit a psychologist and had a prescription for some kind of anti-depressant when I was going through my divorce. Too bad I don't have health insurance, and taking the time off from work wouldn't have been possible (and if it were possible, it would have taken badly needed money from my pocket). I, like most workers, don't have the time or money for your psychological treatments. The people who do are middle class, and, honestly, I think they can fuck themselves with their paid health care, disposable income, easy working conditions, and "world revolves around me" mentality.

[Adi Shankara]

216.9 billion Prescriptions of "Xanax, Lexapro,Ativan,Zoloft,Prozac,Desyrel,Seroquel,Efex or and Valium" we're written in 2009.

You know that I was written 11 prescriptions for Fluoxetine (Prozac) last year? that's because every month, whenever you renew your prescription, that counts as an extra prescription. so it doesn't nearly take into account the fact that every month they are getting prescriptions renewed monthly and are taking multiple prescriptions. even so, I'd question the statistics.

[The Intransigent Faction]

While in middle school, I was cycled through Paxil, Risperidol, and Luvox for an anxiety disorder (OCD). I'm no longer taking any anti-depressant, as that didn't do anything to help. It just eventually made me sick from withdrawal symptoms.

So, based on personal experience, the explosion in numbers of mental disorders, and evident overprescription of anti-depressants, I'd have to disagree with the notion that suggesting such pills are pushed as a profitable quick fix for emotional issues, or to some degree to address deviant behaviour to maintain the current social order, amounts to a Scientologist conspiracy theory on the level of their claim that "psychiatry is responsible for the Holocaust".

Studies have in fact shown that diet and exercise are effective cures for depression, and the problems in Western society regarding unhealty diets and lack of exercise are no secret. All I'm saying is that should be tried before resorting to pills.

It does not amount to a conspiracy theory to point out that psychiatric abuses have occurred against those with behavioural patterns fall outside a perpetuated norm, or those who defy mistreatment (Google "drapetomania" among others).

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

While in middle school, I was cycled through Paxil, Risperidol, and Luvox for an anxiety disorder (OCD). I'm no longer taking any anti-depressant, as that didn't do anything to help. It just eventually made me sick from withdrawal symptoms.

So, based on personal experience, the explosion in numbers of mental disorders, and evident overprescription of anti-depressants, I'd have to disagree with the notion that suggesting such pills are pushed as a profitable quick fix for emotional issues, or to some degree to address deviant behaviour to maintain the current social order, amounts to a Scientologist conspiracy theory on the level of their claim that "psychiatry is responsible for the Holocaust".

Studies have in fact shown that diet and exercise are effective cures for depression, and the problems in Western society regarding unhealty diets and lack of exercise are no secret. All I'm saying is that should be tried before resorting to pills.

It does not amount to a conspiracy theory to point out that psychiatric abuses have occurred against those with behavioural patterns fall outside a perpetuated norm, or those who defy mistreatment (Google "drapetomania" among others).



Does ANYONE on this board realize that it has been found, and I'm sure you have witnessed parmaceutical sales people stopping by the doctors office, pushing their new drugs. Well, is has been exposed, that doctors that push a certant amount of this poison are rewarded with trips, junkets to various Islands, even cars.

[Quail]

I do realise that the pressures of a capitalist society make people unhappy, but I don't completely deny that psychiatric drugs can help people. I'm currently taking citalopram for anxiety and it's helped a lot. Perhaps it's diferent in the US because of the different healthcare system, but the only problem with mental health care in the UK is that they often want to prescribe you drugs, but it can be very difficult to get talking therapy. In my experience, anyway.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I do realise that the pressures of a capitalist society make people unhappy, but I don't completely deny that psychiatric drugs can help people. I'm currently taking citalopram for anxiety and it's helped a lot. Perhaps it's diferent in the US because of the different healthcare system, but the only problem with mental health care in the UK is that they often want to prescribe you drugs, but it can be very difficult to get talking therapy. In my experience, anyway.

Therapy=expensive, long term
Drugs=cheap, short term.

Makes them look better on there 'targets', that the lab govt imposed on ze NHS to mesure its success.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Therapy=expensive, long term
Drugs=cheap, short term.

Makes them look better on there 'targets', that the lab govt imposed on ze NHS to mesure its success.



As I mentioned earlier, these drug pushers ruined my moms life. I did research and put her on herbs which helped alot with her Anxiety and depression. But the shit that she was prescribed, and left on for a protracted period caused damage to her nervious system. She was left with tremors to her hands from the neuroleptics which are benzodiazepines. she was walking around with her tongue darting in and out like a lizard. I've seen many, many people looking completely spaced out. arms hanging straight down, taking baby steps. this is from the muscle stiffness caused by the drugs. And this is a HUGE, HUGE problem, and any senior advocate will tell you this, SENIORS ARE BEING OVER MEDICATED.and when they are quiet, not complaining, sitting down in a drugged out stupor, the doctors and nurses call this "PROGRESS". As a matter of fact, I once heard a nurse refer to the patients as "zaps".this is just one method to control the people, which leaves the current system uninvestigated because the people, in their current over medicated state, are in a haze. People really need to read "left wing psychiatry", read Thomas Szaze and others. All this is just another method used to keep people drugged out and obedient to authority.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

With some of the comments on this board, it really, really makes me wonder, do some of the people on this board actually know what they are dealing with? it seems that what they're reading is relegated to marx, lenin and trosky, the ruling class vs the working class, to party literature. THAT'S IT!!

Have people forgot that the U.S government ADMITTED that it used chemical and Biological warfare experiments on it's own people. There are 30 million pages of experiments conducted on children, seniors,pregant women, babies and the mentally retarded and prisoners.have you also forgot about the mind control experiments and MK ULTRA conducted by the CIA, how they brought over nazi doctors AFTER WW11 and gave them immunity if they worked with the goverment and shared their experiments, the same experiments that we're conducted on the Jews. Do you people really, really have a clue as to what you are dealing with?

[The Intransigent Faction]

Does ANYONE on this board realize that it has been found, and I'm sure you have witnessed parmaceutical sales people stopping by the doctors office, pushing their new drugs.

Sorry, um...think you misread me or something? I'm not surprised if that's the case, and I was agreeing with you. I do realize "big pharma" pushes pills. I just said as much.

[Quail]

Pharmaceutical companies do push their drugs, but I don't think that you can discount ALL psychiatric medicine as bull. I think it really depends on the situation, the condition someone is suffering from and the medication prescribed.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

With some of the comments on this board, it really, really makes me wonder, do some of the people on this board actually know what they are dealing with? it seems that what they're reading is relegated to marx, lenin and trosky, the ruling class vs the working class, to party literature. THAT'S IT!!

Have people forgot that the U.S government ADMITTED that it used chemical and Biological warfare experiments on it's own people. There are 30 million pages of experiments conducted on children, seniors,pregant women, babies and the mentally retarded and prisoners.have you also forgot about the mind control experiments and MK ULTRA conducted by the CIA, how they brought over nazi doctors AFTER WW11 and gave them immunity if they worked with the goverment and shared their experiments, the same experiments that we're conducted on the Jews. Do you people really, really have a clue as to what you are dealing with?

OMG PARTY LINE HURRR!!111777 MK ULTRA, WORLD WAR ELEVEN! I can imagine the nazis being back for that one.

What the fuck does the U.S. government have to do with this other than its relative laissez-faire attittude towards the pharmaceutical industry? It doesn't need any government involvement. Companies don't care about making people docile or not, they care about making money and manipulating the psychology/psychiatric fields in ways to maximise their sales and profits.

Go gnaw some more herbs, hippie.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

OMG PARTY LINE HURRR!!111777 MK ULTRA, WORLD WAR ELEVEN! I can imagine the nazis being back for that one.

What the fuck does the U.S. government have to do with this other than its relative laissez-faire attittude towards the pharmaceutical industry? It doesn't need any government involvement. Companies don't care about making people docile or not, they care about making money and manipulating the psychology/psychiatric fields in ways to maximise their sales and profits.

Go gnaw some more herbs, hippie.



Funny, that's what the right wing calls me hummmmm. I won't even waste my time trying to educate you,for all you are doing is disagreeing because of the exchange you and I had on the animal post. Shows the level of your immaturity. Seems like you haven't shead all of the right wing ideology you we're indoctrinated with. One more thing, if you can't express yourself in an intelligent, articulate, lucid manner, then try reading a dictionary.Using profanity like a child hanging on the corner doesn't help, nor educate.I know that we live in a period where ugly, illiterate, uneducated speech has become accepatable, but it really doesn't help your position.People that are not well read, and make comments about issues they know nothing about, and express no willingness to learn, well, It just makes you seem like a dolt.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

For those that would like to educate themselves and not make right wing attacks, log onto these sites

there is also a web site called "psychiatry kills" it is full of accounts of how the government works with doctors.

for info the U.S government's admitted biologoical warfare experiments
http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm

plus!!!
http://www.stimson.org/?sn=cb2001121275

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

For those that would like to educate themselves and not make right wing attacks, log onto these sites

there is also a web site called "psychiatry kills" it is full of accounts of how the government works with doctors.


One doesn't have to be right-wing to dislike hippies and their vile ilk.

Psychiatry kills? Some Scientology bullshit propaganda from the sound of it. Gotten rid of your body thetans? :laugh:

And where does the U.S. research and testing of biological warfare come in anyway?

Oh, I love your irony.


One more thing, if you can't express yourself in an intelligent, articulate, lucid manner, then try reading a dictionary.Using profanity like a child hanging on the corner doesn't help, nor educate.I know that we live in a period where ugly, illiterate, uneducated speech has become accepatable, but it really doesn't help your position.People that are not well read, and make comments about issues they know nothing about, and express no willingness to learn, well, It just makes you seem like a dolt.

I've refrained from making petty remarks regarding your bad spelling and various other mistakes, of which there are an infinite amount in basically every single one of your posts (you couldn't even spell acceptable correctly, despite trying very hard from what it appears) because it is quite irrelevant, yet here YOU come, trying to insinuate that somehow I am the illiterate one.

:laugh:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

For those that would like to educate themselves and not make right wing attacks, log onto these sites

there is also a web site called "psychiatry kills" it is full of accounts of how the government works with doctors.

Thats run by scientology...

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

One doesn't have to be right-wing to dislike hippies and their vile ilk.

Psychiatry kills? Some Scientology bullshit propaganda from the sound of it. Gotten rid of your body thetans? :laugh:

And where does the U.S. research and testing of biological warfare come in anyway?

Oh, I love your irony.



I've refrained from making petty remarks regarding your bad spelling and various other mistakes, of which there are an infinite amount in basically every single one of your posts (you couldn't even spell acceptable correctly, despite trying very hard from what it appears) because it is quite irrelevant, yet here YOU come, trying to insinuate that somehow I am the illiterate one.

:laugh:


Spoken like a true intellectual coward. You say "from the sound of it" which means YOU ARE NOT SURE, lol lol, you haven't read it, you don't plan on reading it, you make your judgement from "what it sounds like". Real, real heavyweight genius.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Spoken like a true intellectual coward. You say "from the sound of it" which means YOU ARE NOT SURE, lol lol, you haven't read it, you don't plan on reading it, you make your judgement from "what it sounds like". Real, real heavyweight genius.

You shouldn't try insults, you don't do it very well. I just don't care enough to see Scientology psycho-cult propaganda first hand, I'm too lazy to bother, but as Comrade Wolfie revealed, it is indeed a propaganda site of Scientology, and thus has zero credibility.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You shouldn't try insults, you don't do it very well. I just don't care enough to see Scientology psycho-cult propaganda first hand, I'm too lazy to bother, but as Comrade Wolfie revealed, it is indeed a propaganda site of Scientology, and thus has zero credibility.


Wait a minute, first you said that it "SOUNDS LIKE" now you claim it is. Which is it? Well, you're right about the lazy part. You knowledge, politically, reflects that.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Wait a minute, first you said that it "SOUNDS LIKE" now you claim it is. Which is it? Well, you're right about the lazy part. You knowledge, politically, reflects that.

It is part of the church of Scientology, psychiatry being evil is one of there major tenants.


Hows your thetan level LETSFIGHTBACK?

[Raúl Duke]

Hows your thetan level LETSFIGHTBACK?

lol Thetan Levels...


I think this thread would've gone somewhere if it focus more on something like this:
http://www.newser.com/story/77583/antidepressants-dont-work-for-70-of-patients.html

http://www.newser.com/story/20035/antidepressants-mostly-useless-study-finds.html

http://www.newser.com/story/26924/experts-too-often-feeding-from-industry-troughs.html

http://www.newser.com/story/34219/drugs-shrinking-psychiatrists-talk-time-study.html

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

lol Thetan Levels...


I think this thread would've gone somewhere if it focus more on something like this:
http://www.newser.com/story/77583/antidepressants-dont-work-for-70-of-patients.html

http://www.newser.com/story/20035/antidepressants-mostly-useless-study-finds.html

http://www.newser.com/story/26924/experts-too-often-feeding-from-industry-troughs.html

http://www.newser.com/story/34219/drugs-shrinking-psychiatrists-talk-time-study.html



You might be interested in this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7dQufOaqcU

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You might be interested in this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7dQufOaqcU



Or this one put out by the American Psychological Association

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/behavior.html

[Quail]

lol Thetan Levels...


I think this thread would've gone somewhere if it focus more on something like this:
http://www.newser.com/story/77583/antidepressants-dont-work-for-70-of-patients.html

http://www.newser.com/story/20035/antidepressants-mostly-useless-study-finds.html

http://www.newser.com/story/26924/experts-too-often-feeding-from-industry-troughs.html

http://www.newser.com/story/34219/drugs-shrinking-psychiatrists-talk-time-study.html

I did bring up the point raised in the last of those articles about how doctors love suggesting drugs, but it's often more difficult to get access to real treatments that should go alongside the drugs. Ideally, patients should be offered drugs to relieve the symptoms as they learn how to cope with their condition without them (in my opinion, anyway, for conditions such as depression and anxiety). In the UK though, the mental health services are very underfunded and I think that's why doctors are prescribing drugs so readily.

[Obs]

Spoken like a true intellectual coward. You say "from the sound of it" which means YOU ARE NOT SURE, lol lol, you haven't read it, you don't plan on reading it, you make your judgement from "what it sounds like". Real, real heavyweight genius.
We can't all live up to the grand wisdom of L. Ron Hubbard.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

We can't all live up to the grand wisdom of L. Ron Hubbard.



Tell me this genius, are the Citizens Commission on Human rights Scientologists, is Dr Mark Filidei, or Dr Bob Johnson, Author of unsafe at any dose,
Robert Whitaker, author of Mad in America, Scientologists

Or what about this web site put out by the American Psychological Association
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/behavior.html

Prove to me that they are scientologists.

[Tenka]

Tell me this genius, are the Citizens Commission on Human rights Scientologists,
Yes.

The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is an advocacy group established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and psychiatrist Thomas Szasz.[1][2][3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights



Thank you Karinpon for the link. It just goes to show that even this group knows something the left doens't know, and sadly, refuses to accept, and that is, it is an unproven, bogus field that is used to keep people out of touch with the causes of their problems. Forever in a perpetual dumbed down stupor.

By the way, Dr Thomas Szasz has been writing book fors years exposing these criminals. People should give them a read, or look at some of his youtube talks.

[GreenCommunism]

i hate how any anti-psychiatry movement is considered scientology bullshit. i also hate how tayazuki has the right to insult a subculture close to our ideas on so many levels and get away with it.

i personally took effexor and went batshit crazy everytime i missed a dose, so all of you who never actually took any medecine can go fuck yourself, there is widespread abuse of people who are afflicted with mental illness, and this include the people here who think they know better than those who are ill and push pills down their fucking throat. they take us as child or somewhat less human and can't see it, it must be for our good or any kind of dumbass rationalization.

did you hear about the guy who took a baseball bat and smashed a bunch of tv screen in a wal-mart, guess what kind of drugs he was on, i guessed it before they announced it, effexor. the pharmaceutical companies constantly downplay side-effects during test and present those pills as miracle cure to doctors who,despite years of education, are too stupid to know better .


Drugs=cheap, short term.

interesting, so why is pretty much every drug taken during 6 moth or 12 month? exercise and better diet would make you feel better much faster, people simply live out of touch with their nature.

now all of you idiots can go around and state the obvious, psychiatry does help people, my point is, it hurted people more than it helped. when i told a psychiatrist this he told me, noooo things have gotten better since the 1960s. like if something bad is remotely better it's suddenly alright, like if social-democracy rules a capitalist system based on exploitation it's suddenly alright.

now i think let'sfightback shouldn't take scientology as a source, even if they have a point, and talking about mk ultra and those sort of things ( i don't know much about it except being some brainwashing experiments) that sound like conspiracy theory. on the main point, he is right.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

i hate how any anti-psychiatry movement is considered scientology bullshit. i also hate how tayazuki has the right to insult a subculture close to our ideas on so many levels and get away with it.

i personally took effexor and went batshit crazy everytime i missed a dose, so all of you who never actually took any medecine can go fuck yourself, there is widespread abuse of people who are afflicted with mental illness, and this include the people here who think they know better than those who are ill and push pills down their fucking throat. they take us as child or somewhat less human and can't see it, it must be for our good or any kind of dumbass rationalization.

did you hear about the guy who took a baseball bat and smashed a bunch of tv screen in a wal-mart, guess what kind of drugs he was on, i guessed it before they announced it, effexor. the pharmaceutical companies constantly downplay side-effects during test and present those pills as miracle cure to doctors who,despite years of education, are too stupid to know better .



interesting, so why is pretty much every drug taken during 6 moth or 12 month? exercise and better diet would make you feel better much faster, people simply live out of touch with their nature.

now all of you idiots can go around and state the obvious, psychiatry does help people, my point is, it hurted people more than it helped. when i told a psychiatrist this he told me, noooo things have gotten better since the 1960s. like if something bad is remotely better it's suddenly alright, like if social-democracy rules a capitalist system based on exploitation it's suddenly alright.

now i think let'sfightback shouldn't take scientology as a source, even if they have a point, and talking about mk ultra and those sort of things ( i don't know much about it except being some brainwashing experiments) that sound like conspiracy theory. on the main point, he is right.


Takayuky and the rest, have no, none at all, an interest in learning about the boat load of suicides of people on this crap. And how, and there is plenty, PLENTY of declassified documents, volumes of books with the actual documents, showing how they we're using [the CIA] psychiatry, and the poison that it dispenses, to dumb down the population by turning various conditions into a "mental Illness" during the political, turbulent 60's.

So what Takayuky is doing, along with the rest, is, basically, throwing the baby out with the bath water.Doesn't the left read the bourgeois press IE Wall street journal, New York times etc, and extract what is useful? Didn't Michael Moore's movie help shine a light on this economic system for the working class? But because they are not "revolutionaries" it doesn't mean you would discard it, but you use it against them.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

i hate how any anti-psychiatry movement is considered scientology bullshit. i also hate how tayazuki has the right to insult a subculture close to our ideas on so many levels and get away with it.

i personally took effexor and went batshit crazy everytime i missed a dose, so all of you who never actually took any medecine can go fuck yourself, there is widespread abuse of people who are afflicted with mental illness, and this include the people here who think they know better than those who are ill and push pills down their fucking throat. they take us as child or somewhat less human and can't see it, it must be for our good or any kind of dumbass rationalization.

did you hear about the guy who took a baseball bat and smashed a bunch of tv screen in a wal-mart, guess what kind of drugs he was on, i guessed it before they announced it, effexor. the pharmaceutical companies constantly downplay side-effects during test and present those pills as miracle cure to doctors who,despite years of education, are too stupid to know better .


I don't support any fucking sub-culture, sub-cultures are reprehensible lifestylist rubbish. Fuck the hippies and their worthless hedonistic nonsense. "right to insult", what. Fuck does that even mean?

Anti-psychiatry is Scientology bullshit.

What does this actually mean, though? Does this mean there are no legitimate criticism to be levied against current psychiatry pill-pushers and the corrupt pharmaceutical companies?

Definitely not. There are many problems with their excessive prescription of drugs for every disorder, real and imagined, without proper management and prior investigation. But there are cases where psychiatry is actually good. It is ironic that LFB uses the expression "throwing the baby out with the bath water," because that is exactly what the anti-psychiatry movement is doing; especially when it is funded by a corrupt criminal pyramid scheme of a psychotic cult founded by a man who hated psychiatry because he never got any care for his paranoid schizophrenia and come to think it was a "communist conspiracy".

What the fuck do you know anyway GreenCommunism, I'm taking effexor and the only reason I have not stopped is because it is somewhat effective in controlling my panic attacks and anxiety, but mostly, the withdrawal effects are just too horrendous and long-lasting for me to stop taking it.

When visiting the psychiatrist, she was an old haggard hag with sickly-looking liver-spots all over her face, one of the first things out of her mouth was what drugs would be best. This does illustrate a problem with current psychiatry, it's too obsessed with pushing pills onto people with disregard for potential consequences; but to think that this problem - a problem of capitalist society - means psychiatry has no uses whatsoever, is really a case of "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

I don't support any fucking sub-culture, sub-cultures are reprehensible lifestylist rubbish. Fuck the hippies and their worthless hedonistic nonsense. "right to insult", what. Fuck does that even mean?

Anti-psychiatry is Scientology bullshit.

What does this actually mean, though? Does this mean there are no legitimate criticism to be levied against current psychiatry pill-pushers and the corrupt pharmaceutical companies?

Definitely not. There are many problems with their excessive prescription of drugs for every disorder, real and imagined, without proper management and prior investigation. But there are cases where psychiatry is actually good. It is ironic that LFB uses the expression "throwing the baby out with the bath water," because that is exactly what the anti-psychiatry movement is doing; especially when it is funded by a corrupt criminal pyramid scheme of a psychotic cult founded by a man who hated psychiatry because he never got any care for his paranoid schizophrenia and come to think it was a "communist conspiracy".

What the fuck do you know anyway GreenCommunism, I'm taking effexor and the only reason I have not stopped is because it is somewhat effective in controlling my panic attacks and anxiety, but mostly, the withdrawal effects are just too horrendous and long-lasting for me to stop taking it.

When visiting the psychiatrist, she was an old haggard hag with sickly-looking liver-spots all over her face, one of the first things out of her mouth was what drugs would be best. This does illustrate a problem with current psychiatry, it's too obsessed with pushing pills onto people with disregard for potential consequences; but to think that this problem - a problem of capitalist society - means psychiatry has no uses whatsoever, is really a case of "throwing the baby out with the bath water".


Oh man, you got a problem!! have you ever tried some yoga, some herbs, some relaxation techniques. How bout reading a Thesaurus:laugh:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Oh man, you got a problem!! have you ever tried some yoga, some herbs, some relaxation techniques. How bout reading a Thesaurus:laugh:

How about you shut the fuck up if that's all you can say? There's no such word as "mineless" that means "mindless", if you're going to complain about writing, you should at least be able to write more than a sentence without fifty spelling mistakes, you dimwitted fuck.

[Tenka]

How about you shut the fuck up if that's all you can say? There's no such word as "mineless" that means "mindless", if you're going to complain about writing, you should at least be able to write more than a sentence without fifty spelling mistakes, you dimwitted fuck.

Hyperbole aside, it is ironic how he has twice now attacked your writing when his own is consistently rubbish...
He should just address the actual posts to avoid making a fool of himself.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

How about you shut the fuck up if that's all you can say? There's no such word as "mineless" that means "mindless", if you're going to complain about writing, you should at least be able to write more than a sentence without fifty spelling mistakes, you dimwitted fuck.


Not complaining about writing, lol lol lol I'm not complaining at all, just commenting about your inability to express yourself without using common,vulgar, low quality language.The words people use says many things about a person. I'm trying to imagine Marx debating, telling people to "shut the fuck up":laugh:

As far as mineless, it was a typo, if you look down on your keyboard, the "e is just above the "d".so, eveyone on this, and other boards make all the time. and Miss spelled words, so, again, everybody makes them, so what. lol lol

You said that there is no word as "mineless". there is, it is a type of seedling. Again, read.

[Obs]

Not complaining about writing, lol lol lol I'm not complaining at all, just commenting about your inability to express yourself without using common,vulgar, low quality language.The words people use says many things about a person. I'm trying to imagine Marx debating, telling people to "shut the fuck up":laugh:

As far as mineless, it was a typo, if you look down on your keyboard, the "e is just above the "d".so, eveyone on this, and other boards make all the time. and Miss spelled words, so, again, everybody makes them, so what. lol lol

You said that there is no word as "mineless". there is, it is a type of seedling. Again, read.
Shut the fuck up.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Shut the fuck up.

Common. That's the U.S "left" for you:laugh:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I would agree that American society is highly overmedicated. I was in a support group a few years ago. A young woman was experiencing a lot of stress (she was basically supporting her mother on a low wage retail sales job, as well as fulfilling other obligations). She mentioned that sometimes she was a little depressed. Members of the support group immediately jumped on her and started recommending drugs she should take. "Take paxil". "Take zoloft", etc. A member of the group (who had been struggling with mental illness himself) got very upset. Many of these drugs are still experimental. Every kid who's somewhat "hyper" today gets put on ritalin. Recent research has shown this contributes to bipolar disorder in later life.The group member who complained never said that psychiatric drugs can't be helpful-they helped him, its just that mood drugs are massively overused.

There was a media campaign about two years ago to make shyness , "social phobia" a psychiatric disorder, complete with drugs to cure it. I don't make light of people suffering from shyness, I've had severe problems with this myself, but prescribing drugs to "cure" this is more than a little over the top.

Its not being "Scientologist" to critique psychiatry. It has been quite obviously used as a means of social control, from lobotomies in the 50s to CIA LSD experiments. Robert Pirsig talks about his own experiences in "Lila". Thomas Szasz and others have a left critique of psychiatry.

I had a therapist who tried to get me to go one paxil. I resisted.St. John's Wort is a good "natural anti-depressent. Meditation, yoga, etc also help.

I worked at a call center for some time. There were a large number of middle aged women there. Almost all these people were on drugs-ranging from prozac to paxil.

I had problems with this job and eventually I was fired. To me the main problem (besides the essential dishonesty involved in any sales job) was the mind numbing monotony and boredom, doing the same meaningless task over and over and over. I was called in to management for mandatory "coaching" to make me a better employee. My "coach", one of the top callers, "worked" with me. I told her my problems with the monotony of the job and that I'm a "hyper" person. After scolding me for reading Trotsky's History of The Russian Revolution" during my breaks, my "coach" strongly recommended I go on ritalin I refused. I was fired a few months later. It felt like a liberation.

I would agree that drugs can help people, I'm certainly not anti-drug, but I think we have to be very careful.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

I would agree that American society is highly overmedicated. I was in a support group a few years ago. A young woman was experiencing a lot of stress (she was basically supporting her mother on a low wage retail sales job, as well as fulfilling other obligations). She mentioned that sometimes she was a little depressed. Members of the support group immediately jumped on her and started recommending drugs she should take. "Take paxil". "Take zoloft", etc. A member of the group (who had been struggling with mental illness himself) got very upset. Many of these drugs are still experimental. Every kid who's somewhat "hyper" today gets put on ritalin. Recent research has shown this contributes to bipolar disorder in later life.The group member who complained never said that psychiatric drugs can't be helpful-they helped him, its just that mood drugs are massively overused.

There was a media campaign about two years ago to make shyness , "social phobia" a psychiatric disorder, complete with drugs to cure it. I don't make light of people suffering from shyness, I've had severe problems with this myself, but prescribing drugs to "cure" this is more than a little over the top.

Its not being "Scientologist" to critique psychiatry. It has been quite obviously used as a means of social control, from lobotomies in the 50s to CIA LSD experiments. Robert Pirsig talks about his own experiences in "Lila". Thomas Szasz and others have a left critique of psychiatry.

I had a therapist who tried to get me to go one paxil. I resisted.St. John's Wort is a good "natural anti-depressent. Meditation, yoga, etc also help.

I worked at a call center for some time. There were a large number of middle aged women there. Almost all these people were on drugs-ranging from prozac to paxil.

I had problems with this job and eventually I was fired. To me the main problem (besides the essential dishonesty involved in any sales job) was the mind numbing monotony and boredom, doing the same meaningless task over and over and over. I was called in to management for mandatory "coaching" to make me a better employee. My "coach", one of the top callers, "worked" with me. I told her my problems with the monotony of the job and that I'm a "hyper" person. After scolding me for reading Trotsky's History of The Russian Revolution" during my breaks, my "coach" strongly recommended I go on ritalin I refused. I was fired a few months later. It felt like a liberation.

I would agree that drugs can help people, I'm certainly not anti-drug, but I think we have to be very careful.

Thank you Lenina, for one of the very few intelligent responses.

[Tenka]

Not complaining about writing, lol lol lol I'm not complaining at all, just commenting about your inability to express yourself without using common,vulgar, low quality language.The words people use says many things about a person. I'm trying to imagine Marx debating, telling people to "shut the fuck up":laugh:

As far as mineless, it was a typo, if you look down on your keyboard, the "e is just above the "d".so, eveyone on this, and other boards make all the time. and Miss spelled words, so, again, everybody makes them, so what. lol lol

You said that there is no word as "mineless". there is, it is a type of seedling. Again, read.

Take your own advice, please. You completely ignored Takayuki's post before last, except to comment on how they might need a thesaurus. Why? Because they use words like "fuck". If that invalidates the entirety of a post for you, I seriously have to wonder just how 'open-minded' you are.

Go back, reread the post, ignore instances of "fuck" and try making an intelligent reply for once.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Take your own advice, please. You completely ignored Takayuki's post before last, except to comment on how they might need a thesaurus. Why? Because they use words like "fuck". If that invalidates the entirety of a post for you, I seriously have to wonder just how 'open-minded' you are.

Go back, reread the post, ignore instances of "fuck" and try making an intelligent reply for once.

Karinpon, there are many important things to discuss, and fortunately, you and takayuky are not one of them.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Karinpon, there are many important things to discuss, and fortunately, you and takayuky are not one of them.

Or they disagree with you, so its easier to slander them and ignore there points.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Or they disagree with you, so its easier to slander them and ignore there points.


I love a good, productive debate, would never, ever ignore one. Never have. But, I will not, ever, try to have an exchange with a person who feels the need to resort to foul, ugly, Illiterate, unproductive go NO where childish language.That may appeal to some on this board, since they are on that persons Intellectual level. But I have no time for such stupidity.Foul Language is the weapon of choice for dolts. Remember, a sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

[Quail]

I love a good, productive debate, would never, ever ignore one. Never have. But, I will not, ever, try to have an exchange with a person who feels the need to resort to foul, ugly, Illiterate, unproductive go NO where childish language.That may appeal to some on this board, since they are on that persons Intellectual level. But I have no time for such stupidity.Foul Language is the weapon of choice for dolts. Remember, a sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

You can make a good point and use the word "fuck". I think that you should respond to people's points regardless of whether or not you approve of their language, because by refusing to look at their points you're actually stopping people from having a real debate.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You can make a good point and use the word "fuck". I think that you should respond to people's points regardless of whether or not you approve of their language, because by refusing to look at their points you're actually stopping people from having a real debate.


If that person made a point that required a response I would have given one. If you would look at my posts, I don't shy away from questions or comments.

[Tenka]

If that person made a point that required a response I would have given one. If you would look at my posts, I don't shy away from questions or comments.

You did give a response though. You just opted to ignore the substance of the post and nitpick at the language in a one-liner devoid of any thoughtful consideration. The substance of Takayuki's post was comparable to that of Lenina's (though obviously not identical), and to theirs you had so much to say;

Thank you Lenina, for one of the very few intelligent responses.

You're only looking for people who seem to agree with you on more points than not. No need to admit it, it's plainly obvious; but your failure to carry any intelligent discourse is not the topic of this thread, so to help it back on track, I'll say this:

Anti-Psychiatry is Scientologist bull faeces.
There are legitimate criticisms of Psychiatry as we know it today, for its over-eagerness to prescribe drugs for real and imagined conditions of all sorts.
This is not a fault of Psychiatry itself so much as of the economic system wherein it operates today.

/family-friendly rehashing

[Adi Shankara]

Common. That's the U.S "left" for you:laugh:

well wherever you are from, (it says Philly, so hrmm) if the "left" consists of furries who think meat is murder, Inuits and other northern peoples hunting seals for their resources is barbaric, psychiatry is evil, and chamomile can cure depression...

then that is a left I want nothing part of.

[turquino]

Psychiatry is a form of social control used in prisons, mental facilities, and schools to keep people from breaking free. Many revolutionaries, particularly female comrades have been imprisoned in asylums for so called mental illness. For the capitalist state, overt violence is not always a great tactic at keeping people under control, however manipulating and medicating is reliable and profitable. The psychiatrists have come up with a plethora of nonsense diagnoses to explain every discontent in society. No amount of dangerous yet ineffective drugs will solve the individual's discontent, only acting collectively to shape the world into a more humane place will, in a word revolution. Check out MIM Theory 2/3 "Abolish Psychology", or some of the work done by Thomas Szasz and the anti-psychiatry movement.

[Quail]

Anti-Psychiatry is Scientologist bull faeces.
There are legitimate criticisms of Psychiatry as we know it today, for its over-eagerness to prescribe drugs for real and imagined conditions of all sorts.
This is not a fault of Psychiatry itself so much as of the economic system wherein it operates today.


I agree. I don't think that psychiatry is inherently bad, but there are a lot of valid criticisms for the way it operates under the current system. Psychiatric medicine can do a lot to help some individuals, and if we were living in a society where the needs of the people was the most important thing, then I think we would see much better, more helpful, mental health facilities (and probably fewer mental health problems).

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You did give a response though. You just opted to ignore the substance of the post and nitpick at the language in a one-liner devoid of any thoughtful consideration. The substance of Takayuki's post was comparable to that of Lenina's (though obviously not identical), and to theirs you had so much to say;


You're only looking for people who seem to agree with you on more points than not. No need to admit it, it's plainly obvious; but your failure to carry any intelligent discourse is not the topic of this thread, so to help it back on track, I'll say this:

Anti-Psychiatry is Scientologist bull faeces.
There are legitimate criticisms of Psychiatry as we know it today, for its over-eagerness to prescribe drugs for real and imagined conditions of all sorts.
This is not a fault of Psychiatry itself so much as of the economic system wherein it operates today.

/family-friendly rehashing


You are one of those people that paint everybody with a broad brush.So, since scientology is critical of psychologists, ANYONE critical of psychologists IS A SCIENTOLOGIST.On that logic, If I read the Wall Street Journal to get info on big business, and since it is an organ of the right wing, I must be a right winger. And if a person is religious, and they are part of the Liberation theology movement,and they read the Bible, well then, they can't be a revolutionary, they can't be a communist, they are part of the christain right. And if I call myself a Marxist and I'm reading Bakunin, well then, according to your logic, I can't be a Marxist, I'm an anarchist. And, if I'm reading Trotsky, and I agree with some of his points, well then, according to your logic, I'm a trotskyist. What you do is dangerous and will hurt yourself Intellectually.

All of these drugs DO NOT address the underlying problem. They are Band Aids, and when left on this poison for an extended period of time, can cause neurological damage.And the reason all of you that are critical of my posts on this suject,do not want to study the history of Psychiatry, and how it worked with the CIA, and how the CIA brought over Nazi Doctors after WW11, gave them Immunity,and had them share their experiments,especially during the political 60's is because it will burst you Illusions about a profession/business that you think is helping you, but unbeknownst to you, is causing long term damage.Psychiatry is a cultural project. And it is used by the ruling class to maintain power and, of course, create profit.

[Obs]

Hey guys medicine is made for profit, so I guess we'd better try and stave off AIDS with green tea

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Hey guys medicine is made for profit, so I guess we'd better try and stave off AIDS with green tea


For all of our afflictions, nature has provided us with a cure. The problem is, there is no profit in cures, only in treatments.I know people personally!!! that had Lukemia, and through massive amounts of raw vegtables, high in antioxidents, medicinal amounts of herbs and vitamins, she was cured. You still have not grasped the fact that it is in this economic systems best interest to KEEP YOU SICK. Like I said, there is profit in treatments, not cures.

There was a book out called "Aids And The Doctors of Death" that was instantly attacked and removed by the AMA. The person involved in writing the book "Dr Alan Cantwell" knew people that we're researchers, Doctors,independent researchers,involved in the research of the Aids virus,and because of their findings, the Government, with the AMA entered their lab, with baseball bats, destroyed her lab and confenscated her files and put her in jail.Now, you connect the dots.


http://www.rense.com/general74/cantww.htm

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

well wherever you are from, (it says Philly, so hrmm) if the "left" consists of furries who think meat is murder, Inuits and other northern peoples hunting seals for their resources is barbaric, psychiatry is evil, and chamomile can cure depression...

then that is a left I want nothing part of.


I have a cousin whose wife had depression very, very bad.She got to the point of not eating or bathing.she Continued taking the usual poison. Untill I told her to go to an Herbalist/Homeopath. Within a couple of weeks, she was feeling better, within a month, she was off the poison.

And for the rest of your comments, you may be a revolutionary in certain areas,but you, like the others, still have not made a clean cultral/Intellectual break with this system.You are holding on to parts of this culture like a priest hangs onto his rosaries.

[tracher999]

its always better to take no medicene but its the system that makes the people deprest an angry:mad:

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

its always better to take no medicene but its the system that makes the people deprest an angry:mad:

And what is also sad, is that since this economic system makes people sick, depressed, and full of anxiety, they feel turning to institutions within this system will help them,make them feel better.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

For all of our afflictions, nature has provided us with a cure. The problem is, there is no profit in cures, only in treatments.I know people personally!!! that had Lukemia, and through massive amounts of raw vegtables, high in antioxidents, medicinal amounts of herbs and vitamins, she was cured. You still have not grasped the fact that it is in this economic systems best interest to KEEP YOU SICK. Like I said, there is profit in treatments, not cures.


lol you're a fucking altie too :laugh:

also, homoeopathy is quackery

[Quail]

All of these drugs DO NOT address the underlying problem.

Yes, which is why I said that people should be given the drugs to alleviate the symptoms while they go through therapy to help them manage their condition without the drugs.

Also, LOL homeopathy. Homeopathy is placebo at best. The theory behind it is massively bullshitty. Perhaps your friend's wife wasn't taking the right meds (different ones work differently on different people), or hadn't been offered the right talking therapy alongside them. In any case, you can't use a couple of personal examples as evidence against ALL psychiatric medicine because they are statistically irrelevent.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Yes, which is why I said that people should be given the drugs to alleviate the symptoms while they go through therapy to help them manage their condition without the drugs.

Also, LOL homeopathy. Homeopathy is placebo at best. The theory behind it is massively bullshitty. Perhaps your friend's wife wasn't taking the right meds (different ones work differently on different people), or hadn't been offered the right talking therapy alongside them. In any case, you can't use a couple of personal examples as evidence against ALL psychiatric medicine because they are statistically irrelevent.


Like I said, people want to hang onto parts of this culture, and it's way of life, and it's traditions like a priest hangs onto his roseries.How can you Explain the woman I mentioned with Lukemia, which you left out.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Like I said, people want to hang onto parts of this culture, and it's way of life, and it's traditions like a priest hangs onto his roseries.How can you Explain the woman I mentioned with Lukemia, which you left out.

Bullshit.

Or something unrelated and spontaneous.

[Quail]

Sorry, I didn't read that bit. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I honestly see no scientific reason why that would work. I can see it possibly preventing cancer, but certainly not curing it.

[Obs]

Like I said, people want to hang onto parts of this culture, and it's way of life, and it's traditions like a priest hangs onto his roseries.How can you Explain the woman I mentioned with Lukemia, which you left out.
Since you apparently missed kayl's post...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Sorry, I didn't read that bit. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I honestly see no scientific reason why that would work. I can see it possibly preventing cancer, but certainly not curing it.


Well then, all you supporters of western medicine, I think what you are all saying is that Chinese Medicine, which is over 3,000 years old doesn't work. Naive Americans, whom have used natural healing for thousands of years with a list of over 4,000 plants, ALL CRAP. The Ancient Mayans, with 1,500 plants that cured many diseases, to you, ALL CRAP. Boy, that is very elitist.

[Obs]

Well then, all you sup[porters of western medicine, I think what you are all saying is that Chinese Medicine, which is over 3,000 yearts old is doesn't work. Ntive Americans, whom have used natural healing for thousands of years with a list of over 4,000 plants, ALL CRAP. The Ancient Mayans, with 1,500 plants that cured many diseases, to you, ALL CRAP. Boy, that is very elitist. you are just.....common.you think like everyone else, live like everyone else and your opinions and ideas are just like everyone else.
Yeah, I caught that before you edited it. I think it's great that you use "common" as an insult on a communist message board.

Also, just because something's been around a long time doesn't mean it's right. Are you aware that diseases evolve and grow resistent to treatments?

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Yeah, I caught that before you edited it. I think it's great that you use "common" as an insult on a communist message board.

Also, just because something's been around a long time doesn't mean it's right. Are you aware that diseases evolve and grow resistent to treatments?


That's what all of you are that insult ancient healing pratices, practices that have been around for thousands of years.you are common. you have no immagination, you can't see past this culture, and it's common way of life and ideas. you claim to be revolutionary, but your opinions are common, your outlook is common and you mock any ideas that are different, just like the working class. how the hell can you revolutionize the working class when you are just as common in your outlook. you have no vision, just like the working class.

[Adi Shankara]

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

Lmao ownd

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Well then, all you supporters of western medicine, I think what you are all saying is that Chinese Medicine, which is over 3,000 years old doesn't work. Naive Americans, whom have used natural healing for thousands of years with a list of over 4,000 plants, ALL CRAP. The Ancient Mayans, with 1,500 plants that cured many diseases, to you, ALL CRAP. Boy, that is very elitist.


Seems that the cultures above were not a bunch of fat, overweight, gluttonous, wacked out pill poppers.

[Adi Shankara]

For all of our afflictions, nature has provided us with a cure.

You do know that most of these pharmaceuticals are made of ingredients found in equatorial rain forests, yes? sure, they are bleached white and synthesized...but they have basis in natural occuring elements and chemicals from barks, vines, plants, and flowers.


Seems that the cultures above were not a bunch of fat, overweight, gluttonous, wacked out pill poppers.

They also lived 20-30 years less than we do today. And what does weight have to do with anything? that is mutually exclusive, seeing as I'm very physically fit, but still need certain pills to cure a physical chemical imbalance in my brain, that couldn't be cured with homeopathy.

am I saying that traditional medicines don't work? I'm not, rather, just saying that what we have today is more effective, kind've like how a garden hoe does just fine tilling fields, but a mechanical tractor can do much better.



And for the rest of your comments, you may be a revolutionary in certain areas,but you, like the others, still have not made a clean cultral/Intellectual break with this system.You are holding on to parts of this culture like a priest hangs onto his rosaries.

care to address how I'm a reactionary based on my experience that pills work just fine for me and I'm not some slavish turnip who wanders around like a zombie? Do you really think homeopathy can cure HIV/AIDs, or the effects of malnutrition, or rickets?

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You do know that most of these pharmaceuticals are made of ingredients found in equatorial rain forests, yes? sure, they are bleached white and synthesized...but they have basis in natural occuring elements and chemicals from barks, vines, plants, and flowers.



They also lived 20-30 years less than we do today. And what does weight have to do with anything? that is mutually exclusive, seeing as I'm very physically fit, but still need certain pills to cure a physical chemical imbalance in my brain, that couldn't be cured with homeopathy.

am I saying that traditional medicines don't work? I'm not, rather, just saying that what we have today is more effective, kind've like how a garden hoe does just fine tilling fields, but a mechanical tractor can do much better.




care to address how I'm a reactionary based on my experience that pills work just fine for me and I'm not some slavish turnip who wanders around like a zombie? Do you really think homeopathy can cure HIV/AIDs, or the effects of malnutrition, or rickets?


I will tell you how, along with the other two stooges, Just as the working class will tell you "your Ideas are wrong, communism won't/can't work, your ideas are rediculous", criticizing something they know absolutly nothing about, simply because it is different, which reflects a lazy mind. This situation is no different. Whenever anyone puts forward an idea, and that idea does not fit in with the current economic system,and the "American why of life" reactionaries will always attack you.Why? to keep things the way they are, which benefits the status quo, and how they want us to live, think, eat, etc.The opinions that you, and the other two bobble heads expressed are not yours. And that is what people don't realize,they are opinions that have been implanted through years of indoctrination, to right away attack anything that is different. To keep things the way they are.

Now as far as the life span issue, it is to extensive to quote, so read this, and it will explain most of what you asked. Do yourself a favor, study it, don't just read it. The other two will treat it like the comic books they are use to reading when they are not doing their impersonation of revolutionaries.

http://www.science20.com/gerhard_adam/life_expectancy

[Obs]

That's what all of you are that insult ancient healing pratices, practices that have been around for thousands of years.you are common. you have no immagination, you can't see past this culture, and it's common way of life and ideas. you claim to be revolutionary, but your opinions are common, your outlook is common and you mock any ideas that are different, just like the working class. how the hell can you revolutionize the working class when you are just as common in your outlook. you have no vision, just like the working class.
The fuck what. Okay, first of all, I am working class. Second, comparing someone to the working class as an insult is a silly thing to do on a forum for people who want the working class to seize power. I think you've missed the point of this whole communism thing.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

The fuck what. Okay, first of all, I am working class. Second, comparing someone to the working class as an insult is a silly thing to do on a forum for people who want the working class to seize power. I think you've missed the point of this whole communism thing.

First off, I have no idea what "the f... what" means.
2nd-just because someone is part off the "working class" doesn't mean you, and your ideas are going to be embraced with open arms.When the barricades go up, and there is an uprising, there will be a portion of the percious working class that will not hesitate to put a bat or bullet in your head.

Do not have this romanticized view of the working class. anyway, that is not what this thread is about.

[Obs]

First off, I have no idea what "the f... what" means.
2nd-just because someone is part off the "working class" doesn't mean you, and your ideas are going to be embraced with open arms.When the barricades go up, and there is an uprising, there will be a portion of the percious working class that will not hesitate to put a bat or bullet in your head.

Do not have this romanticized view of the working class. anyway, that is not what this thread is about.
I can't wait for the revolution when you show up with your posse of exactly 0 workers to beat me up, you scrawny, pretentious dipshit. I don't care if this isn't what the thread is about, you made it about this when you started talking shit about the proletariat. How can you even call yourself a communist if you consistently use "you're like the working class" as an insult?

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I can't wait for the revolution when you show up with your posse of exactly 0 workers to beat me up, you scrawny, pretentious dipshit. I don't care if this isn't what the thread is about, you made it about this when you started talking shit about the proletariat. How can you even call yourself a communist if you consistently use "you're like the working class" as an insult?


First off, why would I try to hurt you?
2nd, "posse"? are you talking about a street gang or a revolution?are you talking about a fight between east coast vs west coast rappers or a revolution?

IT seems like you are trying to twist things around and put me in an anti people light.If you think that eveything goes one way, i.e. all working people together, fighting for the same cause, all of one mind, YOUR WRONG.
You don't seem to understand that there are working people that see their interest in, they identify with the ruling class.Because they see in them what they want to be, hope to have. All working people are not your friend buddy.