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Nolan
15th August 2010, 03:37
Old, but I haven't seen any threads on here about this.



February 25, 2010 - Colombia is horrified after the Department of Justice published official statistics based on paramilitaries confessions: at least 30,000 people murdered and more than 2500 people "missing" (and probably dead).
Denied for years, the reality of the massacres perpetrated since the 80s by the right-wing paramilitary, mainly on civilians (peasants, indigenous people, students and workers) started to surface in 2003, after President Alvaro Uribe negociated a peace deal with the United Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), promising a maximum sentence of 8 years to any paramilitary member who disarmed and gave full testimonies.
These numbers are just the confessed crimes, and real number of victims could be much higher, as mass graves are discovered regularly across the country. Luis Gonzalez Leon, head of the Justice and Peace Unit, who receives the confessions, thinks that the total number of paramilitary murders could reach 120,000.
When Ingrid Betancourt (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7266587.stm) was kidnapped in 2002 by the left-wing Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), all the mainstream media worldwide focused on her case and depicted the FARC as monsters and terrorists, while the right-wing paramilitary groups were expelling thousands of Indians in the Sierra Nevada and burning some of their victims in furnaces.
Why were these death squads allowed to act with impunity?
The paramilitary groups emerged in the late 60s from self-defense groups and milicias armed by drug lords or local politicians. At first associated with the drug cartels, they eventually took the total control of the cocaine market, becoming an economic power with a strong hold on politic: presently, one-third of the representants elected in 2002 are under investigation (http://www.cfr.org/publication/15239/colombias_rightwing_paramilitaries_and_splinter_gr oups.html) for alleged ties to death squads. Most of them were supporters of now president Alvaro Uribe, including former senator Mario Uribe, his own cousin.
No wonder that Supreme Court judges (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/16/AR2009051602301.html) investigating these cases have been tapped by the Colombian secret services and have even been accused of "bribing a paramilitary leader to implicate President Uribe in a murder scandal..
In the mean time, new death squads are forming (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58397.shtml) in Medellin, Cali and caribbean coast of Colombia to replace the dissolved paramilitary groups, and the killing of opponents seems still in fashion.
Read also on Axis of Logic :
Corporate media silent on Colombian paramilitaries' confession to 30,000 murders (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58654.shtml)
This article by Les Blough explains why the corporate media doesn't consider this report to be newsworthy and explores the connection between President Uribe, the drug cartels and the paramilitary.
This article in Pravda is also worth reading:
Colombian Paramilitaries Admit to 30 Thousand Murders (http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/19-02-2010/112309-colombian_paramilitaries_admit_-0)
The Colombian prosecutor announced on Tuesday (16) impressive data on the activity of paramilitaries in the country. According to a report published by the Office of Justice and Peace Promotion, 4112 ex-combatants of the paramilitary United Self Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) confessed to having committed 30,470 murders in a 20-year period - from mid-'80s to 2003, when it would have begun the process of demobilization.



http://www.dofollownet.com/World/Colombia_Paramilitaries_Confess_30_000_Murders

Victory
15th August 2010, 10:31
I just want to correct the part where it says "When Ingrid Betancourt (http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7266587.stm) was kidnapped in 2002 by the left-wing Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)"

The FARC don't kidnap people, they take people prisoner based on crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.

Ingrid Betancourt (http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7266587.stm) is not innocent in anyway, not only was she a Capitalist, but she was also a politician supporting the Capitalist system in Colombia. It is entirely justified to take her, or any other Capitalist prisoner as a means to help continue a Socialist revolution.

The Colombian media constantly broadast not only Anti-Communist propaganda, but Anti-FARC propaganda. All over the Television Stations are entertainment series portraying wars between the Colombian Government and the Guerrillas. Some are not labeled "the FARC", others are. However, even when not, they are aimed to scare the people and prevent them from supporting the FARC, which is why on television and entertainment programs, they ALWAYS portray guerrillas to be ruthless bloodythisty murderers that kill all and any innocent people.

And as for Ingrid Betancourt today, it is more justified than ever to take her prisoner again. She now acts as a propaganda machine for the Fascist Colombian Government and the media, being printed all over newspapers and seen on the Colombian television constantly.

Uppercut
15th August 2010, 15:25
I don't really know too much about FARC so I don't have an opinion on this. 30,000 murders seems a bit steep, but you never know.

RedSonRising
15th August 2010, 16:41
I just want to correct the part where it says "When Ingrid Betancourt (http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7266587.stm) was kidnapped in 2002 by the left-wing Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)"

The FARC don't kidnap people, they take people prisoner based on crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.

Ingrid Betancourt (http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7266587.stm) is not innocent in anyway, not only was she a Capitalist, but she was also a politician supporting the Capitalist system in Colombia. It is entirely justified to take her, or any other Capitalist prisoner as a means to help continue a Socialist revolution.

The Colombian media constantly broadast not only Anti-Communist propaganda, but Anti-FARC propaganda. All over the Television Stations are entertainment series portraying wars between the Colombian Government and the Guerrillas. Some are not labeled "the FARC", others are. However, even when not, they are aimed to scare the people and prevent them from supporting the FARC, which is why on television and entertainment programs, they ALWAYS portray guerrillas to be ruthless bloodythisty murderers that kill all and any innocent people.

And as for Ingrid Betancourt today, it is more justified than ever to take her prisoner again. She now acts as a propaganda machine for the Fascist Colombian Government and the media, being printed all over newspapers and seen on the Colombian television constantly.


The high-profile kidnappings of the FARC are always going to be American defense contractors or soldiers, Colombian politicians, etc. However I don't think they limit their activities to "guilty parties" of the capitalist system perse. A friend of my family had her brother-in-law kidnapped when he was in a restaurant in elevated mountain area and the FARC captured everyone there at random, forcing them to carry food/fruits on their back and other forced labor in captivity, before freeing them for a ransom fee. A cousin of mine had a classmate whose father was a mere radiologist, who was captured and killed by the FARC. Oh and Betancourt makes me want to vomit, even pro-government Colombians dislike her bullshit demeanor.


Anyways, a lot of the death squads within the cities they mentioned, particularly in Cali, are not always connected to the AUC. The AUC is a tool used by the Colombian and US capitalist class to suppress labor and is a serious problem, but there are more decentralized ones which function for different reasons. Within my uncle's neighborhood, for example, the vacuum that existed between a consistent police presence or any other armed authority was filled by "social cleansing" groups. These groups attempt to create order within a territory free from crime or social deviancy, and so anyone caught stealing or involved in drug trafficking is killed. Likewise, thousands and thousands of death squad murders have been of homosexuals targeted by these groups.

Nolan
15th August 2010, 16:47
I don't really know too much about FARC so I don't have an opinion on this. 30,000 murders seems a bit steep, but you never know.

This is about the paramilitaries, not the guerrillas.

metalero
15th August 2010, 18:01
Paramilitarism isn't a counter-insurgency tactic used by helpless landlords, nor a recent self-defense reaction, the two main arguments the Colombian oligarchy and its allies in Washigton and the media keep presenting to justify this phenomenom and dismiss it as something overcome. Since La Violencia in the 40's, state sponsored thugs known as Chulavitas or Pajaros started murdering radicalized peasants and with insane methods such as dismembering people alive, a legacy that sadly persists today, and that has been highly effective in destroying any seed for community organizing, peaceful political activism and democratic change; at the same time it allows disguising state terror as criminal gangs taking "justice" on their own, whitewashing the State responsibility which still presents to this day as Americas second oldest democracy.

The Vegan Marxist
15th August 2010, 18:46
The high-profile kidnappings of the FARC are always going to be American defense contractors or soldiers, Colombian politicians, etc. However I don't think they limit their activities to "guilty parties" of the capitalist system perse. A friend of my family had her brother-in-law kidnapped when he was in a restaurant in elevated mountain area and the FARC captured everyone there at random, forcing them to carry food/fruits on their back and other forced labor in captivity, before freeing them for a ransom fee. A cousin of mine had a classmate whose father was a mere radiologist, who was captured and killed by the FARC. Oh and Betancourt makes me want to vomit, even pro-government Colombians dislike her bullshit demeanor.


Anyways, a lot of the death squads within the cities they mentioned, particularly in Cali, are not always connected to the AUC. The AUC is a tool used by the Colombian and US capitalist class to suppress labor and is a serious problem, but there are more decentralized ones which function for different reasons. Within my uncle's neighborhood, for example, the vacuum that existed between a consistent police presence or any other armed authority was filled by "social cleansing" groups. These groups attempt to create order within a territory free from crime or social deviancy, and so anyone caught stealing or involved in drug trafficking is killed. Likewise, thousands and thousands of death squad murders have been of homosexuals targeted by these groups.

Out of the talks we've had over the past few months on FARC, is there any personal story you can share on FARC? One that is not by someone else & instead of yourself? Have you ever tried going to FARC's territory, talk with them, etc.?

Nolan
15th August 2010, 18:49
Out of the talks we've had over the past few months on FARC, is there any personal story you can share on FARC? One that is not by someone else & instead of yourself? Have you ever tried going to FARC's territory, talk with them, etc.?

Asking people to go out in the jungle and chat up guerrillas, are we? You worry me sometimes.

The Vegan Marxist
15th August 2010, 19:05
Asking people to go out in the jungle and chat up guerrillas, are we? You worry me sometimes.

I'm only asking him because he tends to only get his stories that personally close to him. I mean, this is essentially the same thing that the ex-Cubans do when trying to ask them why they despise Cuba, "oh well my grandparents told me this..." etc. etc. It just gets tiring hearing these kinds of answers.

Tifosi
16th August 2010, 00:53
I'm only asking him because he tends to only get his stories that personally close to him. I mean, this is essentially the same thing that the ex-Cubans do when trying to ask them why they despise Cuba, "oh well my grandparents told me this..." etc. etc. It just gets tiring hearing these kinds of answers.

So it's bullshit then?

bricolage
16th August 2010, 01:03
Out of the talks we've had over the past few months on FARC, is there any personal story you can share on FARC? One that is not by someone else & instead of yourself? Have you ever tried going to FARC's territory, talk with them, etc.?
lol, what?
If you could only talk about groups you've met noone here would have anything to talk about.
And you serious? You wanna just walk in and chill with FARC? Blogs don't save you in the jungle.

La Comédie Noire
16th August 2010, 01:11
If you'd like to lodge a formal complaint you can do so by writing to this address

FARC Ethics Committee
P.O. Box 1109
Bogota, Colombia

The Vegan Marxist
16th August 2010, 01:12
They can actually go into their territory & speak with them. It has to be with someone who's familiar with the area though. And I'm only saying this because there are those who have actually reported talking with the guerrillas. People like James Britain walked into their territory in order to write a book about them. So I would think that as long as you're not strapping up, ready to fire at them, they wouldn't mind.