Vegetarian evolutionary arguments against eating meat are officially obsolete

[Adi Shankara]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism or saying that human beings were never meant to eat animals (because this is proof we were), and just admit it's a dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice now?

[Lyev]

http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2010/74100-grandpa-simpson.gif

[The Feral Underclass]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism or saying that human beings were never meant to eat animals (because this is proof we were), and just admit it's a dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice now?

No one who advocates vegetarianism/veganism has ever said that humans never ate meat, or that it wasn't a "dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice"? I've never heard anyone advocate those views...

And since you can supplement the nutritional values of meat (which are limited anyway), human beings don't actually need to eat meat either, so while it may be a choice, it remains a fundamentally unjustified not to mention pointless one.

[Invincible Summer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism or saying that human beings were never meant to eat animals (because this is proof we were), and just admit it's a dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice now?


Tbh, vegetarians who use the argument that people were "never meant to eat meat" are idiots. Humans are clearly omnivorous.

It was always a dietary, religious, moral, and aesthetic choice. People who try to twist science into supporting such mundane dietary choices really just seem to be people who can't cope with the fact that their dietary choice isn't as important and earth-shattering as they think it is. Self-righteous pricks.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

We get so much stick. I've never heard anyone say that humans weren't meant to eat meat, its besides the point in the cases of most veggies.

Most of us just enjoy the diet, or the fact that we don't have to eat the meat of animals that were kept in shitty conditions, or the fact that there are health benefits (the main reason I went veggie). Were cool with it!

[praxis1966]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism or saying that human beings were never meant to eat animals (because this is proof we were), and just admit it's a dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice now?

Except nothing in that article disproves that there aren't health benefits to vegetarianism because there are. Namely, the decreased likelihood of certain kinds of coronary disease and cancer. Not that I actually give a flying fuck what anybody besides me stuffs down their gullet, but if you're going to voice an opinion it might as well be an informed one.

[synthesis]

I'd be a vegetarian if someone invented an implant to make bacon taste like turnip greens. Or vice versa.

[Invincible Summer]

I'd be a vegetarian if someone invented an implant to make bacon taste like turnip greens. Or vice versa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6HB1UkSJw

[Quail]

This is just a really stupid thread.

[ContrarianLemming]

Id rather be a vegan then a middle class white university goer to ows a Toyota Prius, loves all things Europe, takes pride in being friends with minorities, prefers indie music and films, the more obscure the better, likes the ideas of soccer, and mandatorily studied a subject in the arts and doesn't own a TV.

I mean, a yuppie.

[Rusty Shackleford]

We get so much stick. I've never heard anyone say that humans weren't meant to eat meat, its besides the point in the cases of most veggies.

Most of us just enjoy the diet, or the fact that we don't have to eat the meat of animals that were kept in shitty conditions, or the fact that there are health benefits (the main reason I went veggie). Were cool with it!

Yeah, you are only sustaining an industry that hyper-exploits many millions of workers across the globe. Us meat eaters should be ashamed.

[Pirate Utopian]

I'll go vegetarian when meat stops being delicious.

[Tablo]

I'll go vegetarian when meat stops being delicious.
This

[An archist]

wS6HB1UkSJw
Awesome, I'll have to try that!

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Yeah, you are only sustaining an industry that hyper-exploits many millions of workers across the globe. Us meat eaters should be ashamed.
I didn't say that you should be ashamed and I am a communist because I want to be active within the movement that aims to stop the exploitation of workers, but at the same time, I prefer not to eat meat..

My point was that there is a lot of stick given to vegetarians, when most of us don't actually preach our dietary choices and eat a vegetarian diet as a personal choice.

[Stand Your Ground]

I didn't say that you should be ashamed and I am a communist because I want to be active within the movement that aims to stop the exploitation of workers, but at the same time, I prefer not to eat meat..

My point was that there is a lot of stick given to vegetarians, when most of us don't actually preach our dietary choices and eat a vegetarian diet as a personal choice.
Well said comrade. I don't know why meaters get so hostile towards veggies.

[gorillafuck]

Meat eaters and vegetarians arguing is a devious ploy to divide the working class.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism

There are no health benifits to vegitarianism, in fact, veggies have weaker bones, this is how archaeologists can determine who was veggie in ze past.

[The Feral Underclass]

There are no health benifits to vegitarianism, in fact, veggies have weaker bones, this is how archaeologists can determine who was veggie in ze past.

That is not only factually inaccurate, it totally ignores the fact that human beings have had massive medical and pharmacological advancements since those people died and rotted and got discovered by an archaeologist.

I'm interested to know how eating meat makes your bones stronger and why that can't be replicated without eating meat?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

That is not only factually inaccurate, it totally ignores the fact that human beings have had massive medical and pharmacological advancements since those people died and rotted and got discovered by an archaeologist.

I'm interested to know how eating meat makes your bones stronger and why that can't be replicated without eating meat?

I'll explain it when I bother to look it up again, which will be (probably) tomorrow, when I get to that stage of the essay I'm writing. Yes, its archaeology time folks.

[Widerstand]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism

Could you show me where that article talks about supposed health benefits of vegetarianism, I must have missed it?

[Quail]

^ It doesn't actually. It's just saying that baically humans have eaten meat for longer than we thought. Thomas Sankara is trying to use this in a "vegetarianism is stupid and unhealthy LUL" thread.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i was using a hyperbolic statement for the lulz. i think the term is being 'facetious'.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Thomas Sankara is trying to post, again

Fix'd

[Invincible Summer]

There are no health benifits to vegitarianism, in fact, veggies have weaker bones, this is how archaeologists can determine who was veggie in ze past.

I assume that strong bones are generally from consuming calcium. How does meat help that at all?

[praxis1966]

I assume that strong bones are generally from consuming calcium. How does meat help that at all?

Exactly the point I was going to make. There's no correlation whatsoever between vegetarianism and lower bone density. Period. The primary cause of that would have to be a calcium deficiency and dairy is a much better source of that than meat. Tofu's even better than dairy. The only deficiency that I could ever see being caused by a vegetarian diet is anemia, but that's easily overcome with intelligent diet management or simply taking a damned iron supplement with your morning vitamins every day.

[The Feral Underclass]

Comrade Wolfie is wrong and should be persecuted!

[synthesis]

Exactly the point I was going to make. There's no correlation whatsoever between vegetarianism and lower bone density. Period. The primary cause of that would have to be a calcium deficiency and dairy is a much better source of that than meat. Tofu's even better than dairy. The only deficiency that I could ever see being caused by a vegetarian diet is anemia, but that's easily overcome with intelligent diet management or simply taking a damned iron supplement with your morning vitamins every day.

Vegetarians commonly suffer from a deficiency of steak wrapped in bacon.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Comrade Wolfie is wrong and should be persecuted!

No, Comrade Wolfie is lazy, and has better things to do that prove facts to you.

[The Feral Underclass]

No, Comrade Wolfie is lazy, and has better things to do that prove facts to you.

Such as what?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Such as what?

Two 4,000 word essays.

One on the uses of bones in archaeology, the second on forensic investigations into genocide.

[ZeroNowhere]

From what I recall, it's the non-vegetarians using 'evolutionary arguments', and sounding suspiciously like anti-homosexual people arguing about whether homosexuality is 'natural', as if it matters. So, unlike some of TS's previous threads, I'm not sure who this one is even attacking.

Edit: Also, it is not entirely clear how this article makes it simply a matter of religion, dietary preference, and aesthetic sense, thus excluding it from being a moral matter.

[black magick hustla]

i once shot a squirrel and i didnt really feel bad

[Rusty Shackleford]

Two 4,000 word essays.

One on the uses of bones in archaeology, the second on forensic investigations into genocide.
:laugh::laugh:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

:laugh::laugh:

Why the lulz?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

i once shot a squirrel and i didnt really feel bad

I've shot dozens. They taste very good.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

BTW, eating less meat won't reduce climate change (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/eating-less-meat-wont-reduce-global-warming-study-1927595.html).

[praxis1966]

BTW, eating less meat won't reduce climate change (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/eating-less-meat-wont-reduce-global-warming-study-1927595.html).

Maybe not, but if you took the amount of grain and water required to bring a cow to butchering age and fed it directly to humans, you could feed a whole shitload more people than if you were using it to produce beef so the "developing countries" argument in that article is a load of horse shit. Unless the Western farming methods referred to are recycling the spare parts from previously butchered cattle, incidentally the cause of mad cow, there's no way that any amount of farming of beef and pork could be a more efficient use of land than farming crops. Nevermind that the modern pork industry is probably the worst industry known to man in terms of using GMOs.

EDIT: Incidentally, that's all without saying anything about the insane amounts of waste (ie cow and pig shit) that's produced by cattle and pig farms.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

EDIT: Incidentally, that's all without saying anything about the insane amounts of waste (ie cow and pig shit) that's produced by cattle and pig farms.

And is used as manure for crops :thumbup1:

[Quail]

To produce that shit however, you waste most of the energy that you put into the animal.

[praxis1966]

And is used as manure for crops :thumbup1:

Actually, it's not [source (http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/environment/)]. When you have the number of animals concentrated in one place in the volumes that are on factory farms (which is where the overwhelming bulk of livestock farming is done in the first world), the amount of waste is completely unmanageable. Besides, you're talking about shit only. What about the millions of gallons of piss? Once again, you've only demonstrated you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please, just stop.

[La Comédie Noire]

There are no health benifits to vegitarianism, in fact, veggies have weaker bones, this is how archaeologists can determine who was veggie in ze past.

I thought that said something else at first. :blushing:

[The Red Next Door]

Meat eaters and vegetarians arguing is a devious ploy to divide the working class.

:thumbup1: THIS

[The Red Next Door]

How about we all stick to a nice onivore diet and vegan meals are not that bad anyway.
and how we stop being dicks about our diet choices, it is fucking stupid.

[Ele'ill]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10938453

So now can we finally stop toting the health benefits of vegetarianism or saying that human beings were never meant to eat animals (because this is proof we were), and just admit it's a dietary, religious, and aesthetic choice now?

I call bullshit.

Nobody in the history of time that has half a brain ever said 'human beings were never meant to eat animals.'


There are many reasons to be vegan or vegetarian.

See the animal rights threads for more info!

[Quail]

There are many reasons to be vegan or vegetarian.

See the animal rights threads for more info!

The only problem with the vegetarian threads on this forum is that there are loads of really stupid, unhelpful posts.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I don't see what the purpose of this thread is. Is the OP hoping that veggies will admit defeat and adopt a meaty diet?

Who cares? Eat what you want, for reasons that are your own.

[black magick hustla]

if pigs were smart they would wear shoes

[Ele'ill]

if pigs were smart they would wear shoes


...snake-skin shoes.









































wrapped in lambskin Edit- (on the inside- for insulation.)