Chinese New Left....

[RadioRaheem84]

Hey does anyone have an info on the New Left in China? I was interested in this group after learning Minqi Li was an advocate. Are they influential at all in China?

How popular is it to harbor socialist, communist beliefs in China? I mean in academic, political circles?

[Queercommie Girl]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/magazine/15leftist.html

Have a look at this article. I don't think the "new left" generally speaking would be "left enough" for you. China's "new left" are largely social democratic-type reformists.

Personally having being influenced by Kautskyist centrism, I don't completely write-off reformism. But I imagine many people on RevLeft would be relatively "hardline" revolutionaries.

[RadioRaheem84]

Han’s critique of globalization and WTO does not really oppose corporate-led globalization as such, but advocates a Chinese version of it, one which may have a stronger element of protectionism. This is just a second route for China’s integration with global capitalism in contrast to the first route dictated by the US and EU. In place of the Americanisation of the world, Han wants Sinolization.Looks like the New Left is a reformist group with ties to the nationalists. They seem to just want protectionism and to take the place of the US.

http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285)

Interesting, I don't know why I thought they were actual leftists.

Are there any actual left radical groups that have any influence at all in China?

[RadioRaheem84]

The new leadership of the Central government has already noticed the problem (of the widening gap of rich and poor, unemployment, etc). That is why they advocate sustainable development, harmonious society, autonomous innovation, etc. Their ideas are to a certain degree influenced by the New Left. As to the question of ‘should we not do something for workers?’ my reply is that I am more concerned about social crises and the outbreak of catastrophe. My position may be regarded by workers and farmers as, ‘running dog of capitalists’. What I propose is to replace one off exploitation with sustainable exploitation. [15 (http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285#nb15)]

http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285

Say what? Sustainable exploitation?

:crying:

[maskerade]

Looks like the New Left is a reformist group with ties to the nationalists. They seem to just want protectionism and to take the place of the US.

http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.isg-fi.org.uk/spip.php?article285)

Interesting, I don't know why I thought they were actual leftists.

Are there any actual left radical groups that have any influence at all in China?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/ten-declarations-maoist-t139905/index.html

this group seems pretty promising ^^

[RadioRaheem84]

I guess I was trying to find some group of influential leftists in modern China. It seems like most have moved even past the Dengist line into being outright capitalists. :(

[Raúl Duke]

Are there anarchists in China?
What about left communists?

[Queercommie Girl]

China has a long history of Maoism (obviously) and Trotskyism, but not anarchism. The only Western anarchist thinker who had a significant impact in China is Kroptokin, whose "mutual aid" theory was used by the democratic revolutionary Dr. Sun Yat-sen as an ideological weapon to argue against the social darwinist line first introduced into China by Yan Fu that was very prevalent at the time.

[Raúl Duke]

I also heard of one-two Chinese anarchists, particularly a Bai Jin, in the past.

What of Left-Communists and Council Communists?

[Kléber]

China has a long history of Maoism (obviously) and Trotskyism, but not anarchism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_China

[China studen]

In fact, the elite of each country are relatively mild.

China's current left-wing and not much "new" theory.

The so-called "new left" is actually the top of the intellectuals, who because of personal status, more moderate stance.

[Ned Kelly]

The new Chinese left suffered a massive setback at Tiananmen Square in 1989, but thats about all I know.

[Queercommie Girl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_China

Of course there have been anarchists in China, but their real objective historical influence in the course of the country's history has been relatively slight compared with Marxist-Leninist schools of thought like Maoism and Trotskyism. Maoism still is one of the cornerstones of the Chinese constitution, and the first general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Chen Duxiu, later became the leader of Chinese Trotskyism.