Is it good to nationalize for central planning why is central planning good ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Is it good to nationalize for central planning why is central planning good ?

Karl Marx and Frederick Engels
Manifesto
of the Communist Party

1848

II -- PROLETARIANS AND COMMUNISTS

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/cl...manifesto.html

[Skooma Addict]

Is it good to nationalize for central planning why is central planning good ?

Central planning is not good because Man cannot rationally shape the society around him according to his wishes.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Central planning is not good because Man cannot rationally shape the society around him according to his wishes.And yet our society has been shaped according to men's wishes -
if humans could not change society, then revolutions wouldn't happen and we'd still be living in hunter-gatherer bands.

Our current society is shaped by what is the best ways to make profits. Whole populations have been moved, landscapes changed, traditions up-ended, and common-sense ideas replaced by new ones in order to create the conditions necessary for profit-based production.

None of this has been rational on a human level, but it is all very rational in the logic of capitalist exchange and competition. Men change society all the time - the problem is, most of the time it's not "Man" but a few men who have the power to do this.

[scarletghoul]

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[Jimmie Higgins]

Central planning is only good IMO if there is real socialism in the sense of worker's control of production and democracy in other collective decision making. A capitalist country can use central planning, but the purpose of it would be for defense of the capitalist status quo, not human needs and wants of people in general.

But if there was a socialist revolution, I favor central planning as the best way to organize our production and labor because if various workplaces were not coordinated, then there could be shortages or needless waste.

[Conquer or Die]

Central planning is not good because Man cannot rationally shape the society around him according to his wishes.

Man rationally and irrationally shapes society. Socialism, the destruction of exploitation, is a step in the rational direction :cool:

[mikelepore]

The main need for central planning is in distribution. How is a factory going to acquire machines, furniture, sheet metal, paper, energy, chemicals, and mechanical and electronic parts? The answer for capitalism is that the factory is a business; it is going to buy those things. To acquire the money needed to buy those things, it is going to sell products. Socialism abandons those processes: the factory is not a business, it does not have to buy any of its resources, and its products belong to society and are not the property of that factory for it to sell for its localized purposes. Once capitalism is eliminated, central planning is the only possibility that remains. The people around here who call themselves socialists and a minute later support "decentralization" are contradicting themselves. In a socialist system, the only matters that can be decentralized are decisions that don't matter to anyone else outside the limited group, e.g., some communities in Pennsylvania choose to hold celebrations on Groundhog Day. But as soon as any operation is important to society generally, such as industrial management and wealth distribution, the process has to be coordinated centrally.