Moral dillema (should I take hire/fire power)

[The Douche]

I am a manager at a retail store. I've worked there for a few years, started as a sales person, now I'm an assistant manager. The current store manager is on a probationary period cause she doesn't run the store very well. None of us at the store (sales people or other managers) like her, we all take issue with the way she runs the store and with her personality. All of the staff have come to me and want to write a letter to our district manager suggesting that she be removed, but they want me to replace her. They all agree that they like working with me best, that I have the most experience and am most capable, and that I am the nicest manager they've ever had.

But I have an issue with becoming the boss, and its not something I particularly want to do. I certainly could use the extra money and hours, but I don't know if I really could stand being a boss.

Just venting a little I guess.

[black magick hustla]

take it. communism is not a lifestyle

[NecroCommie]

You dont need to be a bad boss. You could one of those awesome bosses who make your life awesome and then get fired after a couple weeks because the bigger bosses are chronically assholes.

[Il Medico]

Take it. Being a manager doesn't make you an evil bourgeois pawn. Plus, if you would be a good 'boss' then there is a dire need for these. Though Necrocommie is probably right, the higher ups don't tend to care too much for managers who actually care about the people under them.

[Invincible Summer]

take it. communism is not a lifestyle

True, but at the same time people who are commies generally have an affinity with certain values and will have moral qualms with certain jobs, situations, etc.

I don't think cmoney is necessarily saying "I'm a commie but I might be a boss!" but rather "I might be a boss and I don't want to be a boss, btw I'm a commie."


EDIT: Cmoney, I think you should just take the job. If the other employees know that you'll have your predecessor's powers but still would rather have you, then IMHO that's better than just being appointed the position without their approval.

[danyboy27]

I am a manager at a retail store. I've worked there for a few years, started as a sales person, now I'm an assistant manager. The current store manager is on a probationary period cause she doesn't run the store very well. None of us at the store (sales people or other managers) like her, we all take issue with the way she runs the store and with her personality. All of the staff have come to me and want to write a letter to our district manager suggesting that she be removed, but they want me to replace her. They all agree that they like working with me best, that I have the most experience and am most capable, and that I am the nicest manager they've ever had.

But I have an issue with becoming the boss, and its not something I particularly want to do. I certainly could use the extra money and hours, but I don't know if I really could stand being a boss.

Just venting a little I guess.
well, take a look at the situation, the majority of your co-worker want you to be the ''boss'', that will mean you will be a democraticly elected boss, and there is nothing wrong in being a democraticly elected manager, thing like that would happen under communism.

hell, you could use your position to install ''reforms'' to make work both enjoyable and productive for you and your co-worker.

take it man.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Take the position. Better you than some new asshole, am I right?

[Tavarisch_Mike]

You dont need to be a bad boss. You could one of those awesome bosses who make your life awesome and then get fired after a couple weeks because the bigger bosses are chronically assholes.

This! do this!

[Wanted Man]

well, take a look at the situation, the majority of your co-worker want you to be the ''boss'', that will mean you will be a democraticly elected boss, and there is nothing wrong in being a democraticly elected manager, thing like that would happen under communism.

:lol:

[this is an invasion]

Take the job. If there are enough employees where you work maybe you can try to create some sort of process where hire/fire power is a democratic thing. Or when there are employees with problems you can sit everyone down and talk about things like mature people.


But yeah, like everyone said, I would rather work under someone i thought was cool and will have some respect for me than some asshole.

Even though you sort of are an asshole <3

[The Feral Underclass]

All managers should be shot.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

Take the job.

[Rusty Shackleford]

take the job, give everyone a pay raise and less hours. undemocratically of course because you are still the boss.

[Jazzratt]

Does it pay more? If so, take it. There's no point beggaring yourself over principle.

[FreeFocus]

Being a boss doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. I would take it, it's not like you're the CEO or anything. You don't even own the store.

Also, saying something like "communism isn't a lifestyle" is silly. Of course it isn't a reality right now, so we can't live as if capitalism doesn't exist, but disregarding our values about what type of world we'd like to create?

[Os Cangaceiros]

yeah the whole "communism isn't a lifestyle" thing does seem a bit strange. If your ideology (communism) is dictating certain actions you take over the course of your life, then I'd argue that it is a lifestyle, in a way. Or maybe that's just a simple-minded way of looking at it, I dunno.

[gorillafuck]

Also, saying something like "communism isn't a lifestyle" is silly. Of course it isn't a reality right now, so we can't live as if capitalism doesn't exist, but disregarding our values about what type of world we'd like to create?
Agreed. Let's apply this line of thought to racism. Is it okay to still use racial slurs because anti-racism isn't a lifestyle?

I'd say that in this case it would probably be best to do it because your co-workers want you to, and if they want you to then it's probably better for them if you take it rather than denying it and having some asshole come in and become their manager.

[Os Cangaceiros]

rather than denying it and having some asshole come in and become their manager.

Yeah...I seem to remember reading something about how at some point an anti-authoritarian within the Russian revolutionary movement was offered the opportunity of military command (I think it was possibly Volin, although I could be mistaken...?), but turned it down because of his anarchist principles. The job then went to Trotsky.

A little totally irrelevant historical parallel for ya. :lol:

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

The decision is yours and yours alone to make really. Bear in mind what responsibilities you'll take up, you should be fairly aware of what you might be made to do, by having been the assistant manager (this is speculation but, your ex-manager's managers may have been the ones pushing her to be an arsehole).

In some companies I would say "definitely don't become a manager because you'll regret it or you'll have to punish workers", in less common and more difficult cases like this I'd just say that the decision stands firmly with you and you alone.

[synthesis]

Do it, but beware of the possibility that the experience may lead you to identify, at some level, with the bourgeoisie. "Well, they're just doing the best they can..." You'd be at serious risk of becoming a "right-anarchist."

[Rusty Shackleford]

Do it, but beware of the possibility that the experience may lead you to identify, at some level, with the bourgeoisie. "Well, they're just doing the best they can..." You'd be at serious risk of becoming a "right-anarchist."
to fix that, just party with your co-workers/underlings.

[theblackmask]

All managers should be shot.

Do you just say shit for shock value? I'm a manager at a store, do you think I should be shot?

To the OP, I'm not sure about your workplace, but from my experience simply writing a letter to a higher up stating that the majority of worker's want you to be the boss won't cut it. We don't exactly have workplace democracy, and I know some District Managers that would simply scoff at the idea of a group of employees and and Asst. Manager making demands of them.

[AK]

Do you just say shit for shock value? I'm a manager at a store, do you think I should be shot?
Now that you mention it...

:lol:

Besides, in some class analyses, managers form part of the petit-bourgeoisie.

[synthesis]

I think we should stop pretending that a person's class has any bearing on their relationship to class struggle.

[Il Medico]

Besides, in some class analyses, managers form part of the petit-bourgeoisie.
Which is bullshit. Mangers still sell their labor to the owners of capitol. They are workers. Workers that are given more power by the bourgeois, but still workers nonetheless.

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

Some of the responses here are frankly puzzling, these two are prime examples..


Which is bullshit. Mangers still sell their labor to the owners of capitol. They are workers. Workers that are given more power by the bourgeois, but still workers nonetheless.


I think we should stop pretending that a person's class has any bearing on their relationship to class struggle.

[Il Medico]

Some of the responses here are frankly puzzling, these two are prime examples..
how is it puzzling? Managers do not own production, nor are they self employed. They are employed workers just like the rest of us, just higher up on the job ladder so to say.

[synthesis]

Well, managers often don't actually own the means of production. What I meant by that is that most of the primary figures in the history of radical leftism were not proletarian. Marx's father was a lawyer. Engels came from a bourgeois background. Bakunin and Kropotkin were both aristocratic. Lenin's parents were academics. The list goes on.

[Ovi]

yeah the whole "communism isn't a lifestyle" thing does seem a bit strange. If your ideology (communism) is dictating certain actions you take over the course of your life, then I'd argue that it is a lifestyle, in a way. Or maybe that's just a simple-minded way of looking at it, I dunno.
Would refusing to take part of the military or police be simply a lifestyle choice? Is it ok to talk about workers' struggle while at the same time engage in union busting or beating up protesters?

[Small Geezer]

Do it man. :thumbup1:

[The Douche]

How are managers not petite-bourgeoise? My wage is only higher because I am exploiting the labor of the sales people.

[gorillafuck]

how is it puzzling? Managers do not own production, nor are they self employed. They are employed workers just like the rest of us, just higher up on the job ladder so to say.
I think you're confusing managers with supervisors.


How are managers not petite-bourgeoise? My wage is only higher because I am exploiting the labor of the sales people.
This is true. You'd be petit-bourgeois, not bourgeois though.

[Small Geezer]

He's not petit-bourgeois, he's techno-managerial. Also managers don't appropriate surplus value.

[this is an invasion]

cmoney is a lifestylist.


STOP READING CRIMETHINC BRO

[The Feral Underclass]

Do you just say shit for shock value? I'm a manager at a store, do you think I should be shot?

No. It is my actual opinion. Ergo, you should be shot.

[gorillafuck]

No. It is my actual opinion. Ergo, you should be shot.
if you think all managers should be outright shot regardless of what the situation calls for you're a bit of a dumbass.

[this is an invasion]

No. It is my actual opinion. Ergo, you should be shot.
fuck ye:blackA:h

[The Feral Underclass]

if you think all managers should be outright shot regardless of what the situation calls for you're a bit of a dumbass.

I also think that workers who aspire to be managers should also be shot. People who harbour ambitions to be part of the petite-bourgeois ought to be hung with the intestines of the families with two cars!

[DunyaGongrenKomRevolyutsi]

I also think that workers who aspire to be managers should also be shot. People who harbour ambitions to be part of the petite-bourgeois ought to be hung with the intestines of the families with two cars!

Do you engage with workers like this in real life? If you met a worker who was thinking about starting a business or becoming a manager or supervisor, you would say this to them?

[The Feral Underclass]

Do you engage with workers like this in real life? If you met a worker who was thinking about starting a business or becoming a manager or supervisor, you would say this to them?

Yes.

[Steve_j]

Take the position. Better you than some new asshole, am I right?

^^^^^This basically.

And on that note.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c

[AK]

I see RAANite thought has gotten to TAT.

[gorillafuck]

Do you engage with workers like this in real life? If you met a worker who was thinking about starting a business or becoming a manager or supervisor, you would say this to them?
TAT is trolling now.

[Il Medico]

TAT is trolling now.
It should have been obvious since his first post.

[synthesis]

what is this i dont even

[Rusty Shackleford]

hire fire-power?
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1eTJM_GKc5pTSzDH4RaZ5JBQeO_mwE mYCK8SmScXnZlUAO40&t=1&usg=__wTjJiYQuYRhe98PEV7Hu7Tq9GHA=
whatever would you need this for?
hiring blackwater/xe is truly a moral dilemma.