democracy where?

[crazyirish93]

Interesting documentary on russia today (not sure of its name sorry) about the 2004 untied states elections and vote rigging and some dubious deaths related to people investigating the voting machines. in essence this thread is 4 people to discuss democracy in capitalist countries and discussion on the aforementioned documentary on rt.

[Communist Guy]

Well I think democracy is great, peple should have a say in how the country is un.

However, the democracy we see in most countries today is more of a system where one third of the country votes which corrupt member of the rich to have in power.

For example, Obama may be doing good things but how can he justify spending all that money for the election?

He more or less bought the presidency using the money of poor donators.

[crazyirish93]

the main problem as i see it in "democratic" countries is that u need large some of money mainly gathered from large company's and their Representatives and since large companys own the media and the government it is impossible for small partys to make any gains for example a communist party here in ireland is completly ignored by the media unless they want too portray them in a bad light.

[Exasperated_Youth]

the main problem as i see it in "democratic" countries is that u need large some of money mainly gathered from large company's and their Representatives and since large companys own the media and the government it is impossible for small partys to make any gains for example a communist party here in ireland is completly ignored by the media unless they want too portray them in a bad light.

The Labour party in Britain is partially funded by the trade unions. They still have rich donors, but large companies aren't the only possible sources of funding, and since trade unions have a few aims in common with leftist parties...

I completely agree with you on the point about small parties. It'd be nearly impossible to start your own party and challenge any of the larger parties. Occasionally an independent is voted in, but for a new party to win more than a single seat is incredibly unlikely. I think the problem's even worse over in the USA.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Well I think democracy is great, peple should have a say in how the country is un.

However, the democracy we see in most countries today is more of a system where one third of the country votes which corrupt member of the rich to have in power.

For example, Obama may be doing good things but how can he justify spending all that money for the election?

He more or less bought the presidency using the money of poor donators.

Obama doing good things?

Sure you've come to the place you were looking for?

[crazyirish93]

not so sure about obama myself hes better then bush but thats not sayin much plus usa democracy is laughable most americans either vote democrat or republican 2 partys ain t choice just a new face with same policies

[Stephen Colbert]

Democracy in the U.S. is insanely plutocratic. You cant run for public office if you dont accept private donations. It most certainly is not 1 person:1 vote, especially with the introduction of this little gem : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

[Pretty Flaco]

Today's democracy is usually just plutocracy.

[progressive_lefty]

Democracy seems to be the nice term to describe capitalism. What's the difference between a country like Cambodia, that 'has democracy' or capitalism as we know it, and suffers from a terrible problem of child prostitution, compared to a country like Burma, that is under dictatorship, and I'm not going to argue that there isn't suffering in Burma, but quite obviously doesn't have Western men prowling the streets looking to ruin the lives of people under the age of 18.

[Communist Guy]

Today's democracy is usually just plutocracy.

Exactly my point. In these so called democratic countries. All you need is money and you're in office. Obama spent millions getting in. And this isn't something recent, its been happening for decades. JFK for example, practically bought his way into power, paying the mafia to beat up his opponents.

The 'democracy' we see in the world today is in no way better than dictatorship. The only difference is that the few people that go to that can decide which member of the rich they want in power.