BREAKING NEWS: California ban on same-sex marriage ruled as 'unconstitutional"

[Adi Shankara]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/08/prop8-gay-marriage.html


Judge strikes down Prop. 8, allows gay marriage in California (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/08/prop8-gay-marriage.html)

August 4, 2010 | 1:48 pm
A federal judge in San Francisco decided today that gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry, striking down Proposition 8, the voter approved ballot measure that banned same-sex unions.
U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker said Proposition 8, passed by voters in November 2008, violated the federal constitutional rights of gays and lesbians to marry the partners of their choice.. His ruling is expected to be appealed to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then up to the U.S. Supreme Court.

[Red Commissar]

It's the Supreme Court battle that they're building up for. Both sides know they are leading up to that.

[Magón]

That's awesome good for him, and all those who are effected by this change. :thumbup1: Now to see what all the radical right-wingers have to say. (Which is more or less just the whole Right-Wing.:laugh:)

[CleverTitle]

The evil gay conspiracy takes another step forward.

Good on that judge.

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

Good... It is about time that someone shows the nation that no group has the right to use and enforce their religious laws over other people who not believe or accept those laws... and it's ironic too, because Conservatives here were freaking out when it was made known that Britian was considering special attention to Sharia law and anyone who considered themselves under it :p

[Sasha]

a poll on the fox news website:


A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that Prop. 8, California's (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/decide-gay-marriage-judge-ruling-proposition-decision/#)gay marriage ban is unconstitutional. Do you agree with the judge's decision?



Yes -- Prop. 8 violates the Constitution. 34.6% (19,396 votes)
No -- Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I don't care what the judge thinks about the Constitution. 56.7% (31,732 votes)
I'm not sure but shouldn't the voters views count for something? 7.8% (4,370 votes)
Other (leave a comment). 0.9% (516 votes)
Total Votes: 56,014

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/decide-gay-marriage-judge-ruling-proposition-decision/

whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:

[Magón]

a poll on the fox news website:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/decide-gay-marriage-judge-ruling-proposition-decision/

whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:

You do have to realize that is FOX News, and to not take it seriously. They've probably bumped it up a bit on their Right-Wing side. Main reason I say this, is because most people where I live were on the Right-Wing side of Prop 8 when it happened. And now, on the news they also had a poll that was mostly for the Judge's decision. So it's all over the place on either side.

[x359594]

a poll on the fox news website...

Bear in mind that over 70% of the American public thought that interracial marriage was wrong when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the plaintiff in Loving v. State of Virginia and struck down all miscegenation laws in 1968.

[praxis1966]

a poll on the fox news website:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/decide-gay-marriage-judge-ruling-proposition-decision/

whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:

Dunno if you've heard but False News is completely full of shit. Basically, if you want to know the truth about any given topic, take what they report and then just assume the opposite is true. They're a completely right wing propaganda machine, and the poll was a completely unscientific sampling of FN viewers who also happen to have the internet, not a sampling of the population at large.

Also, what x359594 said.

[The Vegan Marxist]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ba2b4b34-6c57-49f8-839f-7693993fbb98.jpg

[Jimmie Higgins]

Good... It is about time that someone shows the nation that no group has the right to use and enforce their religious laws over other people who not believe or accept those laws... and it's ironic too, because Conservatives here were freaking out when it was made known that Britian was considering special attention to Sharia law and anyone who considered themselves under it :pRight, well the same people who want to protect religion by banning same-sex marriage and want to keep the 1950's era addition of "under god" to the pledge of alliegence are also the same people in the US who want to make it illegal to cover your face even if it's religious custom... it's just not the religious custom of most US right-wingers!

[Jimmie Higgins]

a poll on the fox news website:

From the website right under the poll:


This is not a scientific poll.It's a "You decide" poll, so the only thing shocking is that 30-40% of Fox viewers support gay marriage despite the daily propaganda against it from the TV channel they watch.

[CleverTitle]

a poll on the fox news website:

whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:
Fox News being Fox News. Laughably insane and really disturbing all at the same time.

Regardless, I'm happy to see that 47% of the 100,000+ voters aren't completely crazy.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ba2b4b34-6c57-49f8-839f-7693993fbb98.jpg
Sweet I could marry my first cousin ;)

[DragonQuestWes]

a poll on the fox news website:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/decide-gay-marriage-judge-ruling-proposition-decision/

whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:

I say we all invade the Fox News website and vote "Yes" on their poll.

[Magón]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ba2b4b34-6c57-49f8-839f-7693993fbb98.jpg

I understand your point, and agree it's ridiculous, but I just wanted to not that California, Utah, New Mexico, and I think either Florida or Indiana you have to be at least 50 years of age to do so.

How do I know this?... Saw it on the news once! :lol:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I say we all invade the Fox News website and vote "Yes" on their poll.
Agreed, let's do this.

[chegitz guevara]

Sweet I could marry my first cousin ;)

And in New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Massachusetts, you could gay marry your first cousin.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I say we all invade the Fox News website and vote "Yes" on their poll.
Just did and now 52.5% of Fox unscientific poll voters say prop 8 violates the constitution! 41% say marriage is only a man and a woman and 5.6% say let the vote decide. So overall on Fox, 52% pro-gay marriage, and 46.6% against.

:lol:Again, it's an unscientific poll, but it's gotta make bigots a little demopralized to loose the court case and then loose a poll on Fox of all places (if this kind of breakdown of opinions holds of course).

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

I looked at the CNN poll a few hours ago. It was at 80% support, 20% against. The question was ,,Is banning same sex marriage unconstitutional?'' It's also worth knowing that two days ago, I read some of the most idiotic, racist postings about the mosque being built near the 9/11 memorial... and on that same day, Fox News news anchors took pride into reading those very same postings on the live news! And now, they're running a few specials that demonize Muslims by either mocking them or by grouping all of them under the fundamenta-la-la-landers of Islam, which in and of themselves make up only a small portion of the entire Muslim population...

[The Vegan Marxist]

And in New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Massachusetts, you could gay marry your first cousin.

I could've never seen Massachusetts being that free when it came to who you want to love or marry. :confused:

[praxis1966]

In other news, probably in no small part due to the participation of Revlefters, the Fox News poll on this subject is now reading 57% of respondents believe that same sex marriage bans are unconstitutional. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back, people. You deserve it.:laugh:

[TwoSevensClash]

a poll on the fox news website:



whahahaaaahaahat? wow :blink:

Once again the constitution loving tea baggers not giving a shit about the holy constitution. It is only ok when they wipe there ass on it. But this is great news that the ban was struck down.

[progressive_lefty]

Great news!

[NGNM85]

I could've never seen Massachusetts being that free when it came to who you want to love or marry. :confused:

We're one of the bluest of the blue states. We also fairly recently decriminalized pot.

[Sasha]

You do have to realize that is FOX News, and to not take it seriously. They've probably bumped it up a bit on their Right-Wing side. Main reason I say this, is because most people where I live were on the Right-Wing side of Prop 8 when it happened. And now, on the news they also had a poll that was mostly for the Judge's decision. So it's all over the place on either side.


Dunno if you've heard but False News is completely full of shit. Basically, if you want to know the truth about any given topic, take what they report and then just assume the opposite is true. They're a completely right wing propaganda machine, and the poll was a completely unscientific sampling of FN viewers who also happen to have the internet, not a sampling of the population at large.

Also, what x359594 said.


From the website right under the poll:

It's a "You decide" poll, so the only thing shocking is that 30-40% of Fox viewers support gay marriage despite the daily propaganda against it from the TV channel they watch.


Fox News being Fox News. Laughably insane and really disturbing all at the same time.

Regardless, I'm happy to see that 47% of the 100,000+ voters aren't completely crazy.


dudes i know, i was just impressed that the bat shit crazy right whas this bat shit crazy to vote for an poll option that said "i dont care what an judge said about the constitution".

[Red Commissar]

The mentality towards judges these wingnuts have is not uncommon. For quite sometime they've been directing (or more appropriately, other groups directing) their anger towards "activist" judges who "make laws from the bench" rather than interpret the law, forcing a vile social agenda down their throats.

Of course there was no problem with them forcing their own social agenda down other people's throats via prop 8.

It's in scenarios like these that these self-styled "constitutionalists" show their true colors and hypocrisy.

[Slav92]

The fox news poll was on 4chan a few days ago - its fairly safe to say that the results of the poll are null and void by this point.

While it is a big step forward - it is the Supreme Court that matters. If the Supreme Court rules that homosexuals have a right to marriage, it effectively changes the constitution (which would never be done in the current circumstance - America is split roughly 50/50 on the issue, and the Senators have to represent this). Untill the Supreme Court actually upholds the spirit in which the constitution was written and grants equal rights to all its citizens, we'll have to be thankful for each small step.

[NGNM85]

The mentality towards judges these wingnuts have is not uncommon. For quite sometime they've been directing (or more appropriately, other groups directing) their anger towards "activist" judges who "make laws from the bench" rather than interpret the law, forcing a vile social agenda down their throats.

Of course there was no problem with them forcing their own social agenda down other people's throats via prop 8.

It's in scenarios like these that these self-styled "constitutionalists" show their true colors and hypocrisy.

It's interesting how it's only characterized as 'judicial activism' when it's something that is seen as left or progressive.

[Sendo]

It's interesting how it's only characterized as 'judicial activism' when it's something that is seen as left or progressive.

Hogwash, when conservatives gave corporations personhood and said money was speech it wasn't activism.....it was.....um........................................ ...........

[chegitz guevara]

Honestly not sure this is a good thing. I'd have liked to see more states overturn it before the Supremes get their evil paws on the issue.

[leftace53]

Its kind of sad that the reasoning given for overturning the ban is that it doesn't follow with a different written document which "privileges us with rights". Then again its even more sad that there was a ban on this in the first place.

Regardless, as I said in the other thread, despite my dislike of marriage, this is good news.

[x359594]

...I'd have liked to see more states overturn it before the Supremes get their evil paws on the issue.

Before the decision reaches the Supreme Court it has to be heard in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. If the 9th upholds the lower court decision, then the plaintiffs can appeal to the Supreme Court which may or may not choose to hear their appeal.

Concerning an earlier decision of 42 years ago when the Supreme Court struck down all miscegenation laws (with public opinion running against interracial marriage by over 70%) there were only 16 states that still had those laws on the books.

[chegitz guevara]

The Supremes can reach down and take any Federal case they want, except for those those where Congress has said they have no jurisdiction. Remember Bush v. Gore.

The 9th is a fairly liberal court, but I'm not sure they would uphold the decision. Either way, it will be appealed.

If many more states had abolished the gay marriage ban, I'd expect the Supremes to overturn it on a Federal level, since there's a clear indeication of the direction the country is headed. It's why they overturned executions for minors and the mentally ill.

On the other hand, the spectrum of the court runs from conservative to reactionary, so we can't expect much from it.

[Red Commissar]

All these decades of it getting tossed around as a legal constitutional issue, and it's going to get to the point that the Supreme Court is going to want to settle it.

Though like Chegitz says, the make up of the court is not favorable.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

This is good news!

[Proletarian Ultra]

On the other hand, the spectrum of the court runs from conservative to reactionary, so we can't expect much from it.

I suspect you're right, but what gives me pause is Ted Olson working on the case. That old vampire has claws in all kind of hidey-holes, and I wonder if he knows something about Anthony Kennedy the rest of us don't.

[NGNM85]

Judge kicks Chris Wallace's ass on Fox. He keeps trying to spin it, but it just aint happening. Epic fail.

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