Do You Think a Revolution in Greece could/will be Won?

[Konstantine]

Simple yes/no question. I personally think with the current state of affairs, a victorious revolution is definitely possible. I definitely hope it will be, at least.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Revolution is a process which by definition has to be international or at least be based on a degree of working class internationalism. My understnding is that Greece isn't yet at a revolutionary situation, although its getting closer. There needs to be networks of democratic worker's councils and a more united revolutionary leadership. Growing solidarity with workers in Turkey and elsewhere in Europe s important.

As I remember Lenin had three ingredients for a revolution.
1.) The population as a whole looses its fear of ruling class oppresion
2.) There is a split in the ruling class
3.) There has to be an effective working class leadership.

1 and 2, maybe. 3, not quite yet.

[Konstantine]

1.) The population as a whole looses its fear of ruling class oppresion

Out of every other single reason or need for revolution, this is hands-down the most important thing.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

Out of every other single reason or need for revolution, this is hands-down the most important thing.
Could you please explain?

[Delenda Carthago]

No

[Marxist]

Though I fan the KKE and ML-KKE much I say no.

[Delenda Carthago]

revolution requires means of production.Greece dont have any.point blank period.

[Gustav HK]

revolution requires means of production.Greece dont have any.point blank period.

Greece doesn´t have any means of production at all?!!

Now that´s something new. :D

[Delenda Carthago]

Greece doesn´t have any means of production at all?!!

Now that´s something new. :D
Greece doesnt produce anything besides maybe ships.Other than this,nada!

[Ravachol]

Greece doesnt produce anything besides maybe ships.Other than this,nada!

There are NO factories in Greece o.0 No production of food, furniture, electronics, etc? There are no restaurants, software companies, or other service-sector businesses? Somehow I doubt that.

[Delenda Carthago]

There are NO factories in Greece o.0 No production of food, furniture, electronics, etc? There are no restaurants, software companies, or other service-sector businesses? Somehow I doubt that.


Restorants are not means of production.

Other than that,no,its not literaly 0,but its very very very small.We dont have factories and we dont have farmers.Greece's economy is desinged by the EU for the last 20 years and its based on provision of services and construction.

Greeks have the 25% of worldwide ships too,but in a case of a revolution,its not easy to hold them in the country.

[Blackscare]

Could you please explain?


Seems pretty basic to me. If there's no one around who wants to revolute, how can you have a revolution?

[Ravachol]

Other than that,no,its not literaly 0,but its very very very small.We dont have factories and we dont have farmers.Greece's economy is desinged by the EU for the last 20 years and its based on provision of services and construction.


While this is true, there are still some means of production in Greece, not enough to have an autarkic 'socialism in one country' but that goes for just about every country.

[Devrim]

I don't think that Greece is anywhere near a revolutionary situation. There are important struggles going on, but that is all. It is important to keep these things in perspective.

Devrim

[scarletghoul]

How many parking meters do they have ?

[Qayin]

How many parking meters do they have ?

Your so clever and original

[Thirsty Crow]

I'm not informed well enough to be able to form an opinion, I have to admit.
But it seems to me that one very important factor is missing, and it has to do with the state of proletarian struggle and consciousness in regional, or continental framework. It seems that the Greek workers are relatively isolated in the sheer scope of their struggle. So, that would lead to my doubt that Greece is facing a revolutionary situation, unfortunately.

[Magón]

Do I think a Revolution in Greece can/will be won? I can't say as of yet, a yes or now answer.

Will Revolution in Greece happen? It's possible. I don't think you necessarily need a means of production, such as guns, grenades, bombs, etc., etc. But I do think, that if the Greek Anarchists would want a revolution, they should start through talking with the people more. (Not sure how often they speak to the people, but I'm going with a moderate guess to what they do.) Means of production doesn't have to be focused on factories, machines, etc. to get things out. Just having fliers, Anarchist rallies, and even sending videos to news stations in Greece about various things could be a means of production for the revolution. Kinda the same when you see on the news, the latest video sent from Al Qaeda or one of it's people. Like that, but actually show it to the people if it's not burned when they watch it before airing it. Maybe through an illegal radio station, a means to get people to organize against the government could work. Means of production in my eyes, doesn't have to be factories. Anything progressive that makes people think and question their government (maybe even a little more than they usually do) is a good thing, and a means of production. Because really, in the end, the product you're making through these various means, is in fact Revolution.

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