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Nothing Human Is Alien
4th August 2010, 02:19
WASHINGTON – Leading Republicans are joining a push to reconsider the constitutional amendment that grants automatic citizenship to people born in the United States.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Tuesday he supports holding hearings on the 14th Amendment right, although he emphasized that Washington's immigration focus should remain on border security.

His comments came as other Republicans in recent days have questioned or challenged birthright citizenship, embracing a cause that had largely been confined to the far right.

The senators include Arizona's John McCain, the party's 2008 presidential nominee; Arizona's Jon Kyl, the Republicans' second-ranking senator; Alabama's Jeff Sessions, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading negotiator on immigration legislation.

"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.

Legal experts say repealing the citizenship right can be done only through constitutional amendment, which would require approval by two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress and by three-fourths of the states. Legislation to amend the right, introduced previously in the House, has stalled.

The proposals are sure to appeal to conservative voters as immigration so far is playing a central role in November's elections. They also could carry risks by alienating Hispanic voters and alarming moderates who could view constitutional challenges as extreme. Hispanics have become the largest minority group in the United States, and many are highly driven by the illegal immigrant debate.

McConnell and McCain seemed to recognize the risk by offering guarded statements Tuesday.

McCain, who faces a challenge from the right in his re-election bid, said he supports reviewing citizenship rights. He emphasized, however, that amending the Constitution is a serious matter.

"I believe that the Constitution is a strong, complete and carefully crafted document that has successfully governed our nation for centuries and any proposal to amend the Constitution should receive extensive and thoughtful consideration," he said.

At a news conference, McConnell refused to endorse Graham's suggestion that citizenship rights be repealed for children of illegal immigrants. While refusing to take questions, he suggested instead that he would look narrowly into reports of businesses that help immigrants arrange to have babies in the United States in order to win their children U.S. citizenship.

The 14th Amendment, adopted in 1868 in the aftermath of the Civil War, granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including recently freed slaves.

Defenders of the amendment say altering it would weaken a fundamental American value while doing little to deter illegal immigration. They also say it would create bureaucratic hardships for parents giving birth.

Quoting a newspaper columnist, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Republicans were "either taking leave of their senses or their principles" in advocating repeal.

An estimated 10.8 million illegal immigrants were living in the U.S. as of January 2009, according to the Homeland Security Department. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that as of 2008, there were 3.8 million illegal immigrants in this country whose children are U.S. citizens.

death_by_semicolon
4th August 2010, 02:37
How else can Republicans continue to be bigoted assholes and still expect to win elections?

Widerstand
4th August 2010, 02:42
Ugh, another great act of a nation of immigrants hating on immigrants. Chances of this actually getting through?

The Vegan Marxist
4th August 2010, 02:42
^Sadly, a good number of people in the States agree with these tea-party semi-fascists. This is being brought in order to win the next elections. I fear of what comes next.

Magón
4th August 2010, 03:01
How else can Republicans continue to be bigoted assholes and still expect to win elections?

Assassinations, Kidnappings, Blatant Accusations, Falsified Documents on the other side, Revelation of false videos...

Do you want me to continue?

death_by_semicolon
4th August 2010, 03:07
Assassinations, Kidnappings, Blatant Accusations, Falsified Documents on the other side, Revelation of false videos...

Do you want me to continue?

No need.

I was being a bit facetious with my question. :blushing:

Magón
4th August 2010, 03:11
No need.

I was being a bit facetious with my question. :blushing:

Me to.:laugh:

TwoSevensClash
4th August 2010, 03:51
I guess that means John McCain will lose he citizenship. He was born in US occupied Panama. If the GOP/Tea Party thinks the constitution is so perfect why do they want to change it?

Magón
4th August 2010, 03:59
Then I guess I'm out of the US of A. Cuba or Venezuela? I'm not sure which to choose? Both have nice year round weather most of the time. :confused:

Adi Shankara
4th August 2010, 04:07
No birthright citizenship? then who will pick our vegetables and build our houses when we re-enter an economic paradise under capitalist bull markets? :rolleyes:

goddamn racists make me sick as fuck.

NGNM85
4th August 2010, 04:12
It's really interesting how they ***** and moan about how we need to be strict constitutionalists until it comes to things like queers getting married or brown people having rights. It's the same as when the Bush administration was engaging in warrantless wiretapping; dead silence from the flag-waving, Tea-Party types. However, I’m not that worried about this. A constitutional amendment is a HUGE undertaking. I don’t think it has a snowball’s chance in hell.

the last donut of the night
4th August 2010, 04:17
I expect Republicans to try to promote this by saying that it's in the interest of some highly notion of citizenship, law, or responsibility, or whatever. But in reality this is a highly racist move. They simply don't want Latinos being born here completely legally. Under the innocent guise of the "protection of American values/culture", the Republicans and right-wings simply want a white, segregated USA. And if we let them, that's what we may have soon on our hands: an increasingly segregated country, a strong quasi-fascist movement and a broken and weak left.

DragonQuestWes
4th August 2010, 05:00
I kinda doubt this would pass, but still...

What the FUCK.

Are these Neo-Cons still mad that they lost to a Black President?

redSHARP
4th August 2010, 05:03
fuck my life!!! this is getting stupid now!! stripping away citizenship?!! where have we heard that before?! next thing you know we'll need pass books....

NGNM85
4th August 2010, 05:39
Thom Hartmann Weighs In;
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Obs
4th August 2010, 05:42
"I mean, sure, you're born here, but you don't really look American. Y'know what I mean?"

Adi Shankara
4th August 2010, 05:52
"i mean, sure, you're born here, but you don't really look american. Y'know what i mean?"

Those Meskans...

...MESKANS STOLE MAH JERB

Red Commissar
4th August 2010, 06:51
Wait a minute, I thought screwing with the constitution, big gubmint, and things of that nature was our job.

DAMN IT DEY TAKIN OUR JABHS

MarxSchmarx
4th August 2010, 08:02
This is simply not going to happen.

M-26-7
4th August 2010, 08:10
"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.

Yeah, everyone knows that Brazil today is just brimming with USAmerican citizens who've never lived in the U.S., don't speak English, but who can vote in U.S. elections, etc., because their mothers jumped on a plane to the U.S. when their water broke. This happens all. the. time.

Honestly, is this guy for real?

Leonid Brozhnev
4th August 2010, 08:43
"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.


Don't people more or less use the same argument against the 2nd Amendment? "I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (2nd) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was .50 calibre handguns, fully automatic assault rifles and Rocket propelled grenade launchers".

So, essentially the US Constitution is a sacred cow that cannot be changed... unless the right disagrees with it. In which case, it IS okay to change the Constitution so long as it fits with the right wing agenda. These guys are hypocrites of the highest order... but what's new...

MarxSchmarx
4th August 2010, 08:52
"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.
Yeah, everyone knows that Brazil today is just brimming with USAmerican citizens who've never lived in the U.S., don't speak English, but who can vote in U.S. elections, etc., because their mothers jumped on a plane to the U.S. when their water broke. This happens all. the. time.

Honestly, is this guy for real?

Not for Brazil, because it is insanely difficult to get so much as a transit visa if you are a Brazilian citizen, but stuff like this does happen:

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2010-07/03/content_20411756.htm

~Spectre
4th August 2010, 12:47
It's just political posturing. Fortunately, nothing will come of it.

Red Commissar
4th August 2010, 18:19
Yeah, everyone knows that Brazil today is just brimming with USAmerican citizens who've never lived in the U.S., don't speak English, but who can vote in U.S. elections, etc., because their mothers jumped on a plane to the U.S. when their water broke. This happens all. the. time.

Honestly, is this guy for real?

Part of their alarmist strategy. I mean in all seriousness it won't get anywhere, like has been mentioned they are drumming up their base.

In recent years most of their constituents have been complaining more and more about what they call "anchor babies", and this is their way of pandering to that.

Tatarin
6th August 2010, 00:16
Now, I wonder, could they possibly be influenced by the xenophobes in Europe? The European strategy of untermenchening muslims and romas seems to be a big hit, but in the US someone else has to take the blame.