Confessions of an ex-nazi

[Slav92]

Hey everyone, as you can probably tell from my post count, I am new, but I'm no stranger to left wing philosophy, anyway, the purpose of this thread is not an introduction, but to attempt to give you an insight into the mind of an (ex) fascist.

I'm not going to beat around the bush, I am the ex-fascist in question. Although I was only 14 years old when I first dabbled in fascism, and 16 when I changed my ways, in this time I met such infamous names as wigan-mike and joined the ASF. Fortunately, the furthest I ever went with regards to political activism was meeting with individuals and creating made-up stories to impress people.

As I said, I was 14 years old when I first encountered the fascist ideology. I was constantly bullied because of suspicions about my sexuality, which led to me being ostracized by a large majority of people I knew (Please bear with me - I'm not creating excuses here, there is a point). Many people I met within the "movement" were outcasts, seeking social solidarity with whoever would take them, rather than any attraction to racism and national socialism. Obviously, the only thing that ties the "community" together is their narrowminded beliefs, and so a cycle of indoctrination is created - people voluntarily indoctrinate themselves in order to gain more respect from the community, which in their mind makes them more popular and more liked.

That is, not to say, that everyone within the national socialist "movement" is in the same boat, although everyone who I met either started off as an outcast and joined whoever would take them, or lost almost everyone close to them because of their beliefs.

The indoctrination process is gradual, you dont change overnight into a narrowminded, sieg-heiling, "wont-eat-the-black-jelly-babies" zombie. Atleast for me, it started out with a worship of the "heroes" of national socialism, combat 18, ian stuart donaldson, adolf hitler and so on. Naturally, as I was only 14 when I first set foot on the path (I'm 18 now - 2 years free) I do not have any memory of the NF marches or fascism before the 90's, and subsequently they were portrayed to me as heroes of a by-gone era by the leadership of website such as blood & honour etc. In reality, ofcourse, they were little more than balding old men with a nazi fetish, but at the time they were portrayed as role models and valiant warriors.

And ofcourse, the very ideal of national socialism is designed to create a hold on its subjects. Any and all criticism of national socialism, its members, nationalism or left-wing ideas are immediately portrayed as "Jewish lies" or "Leftist lies". I remember discussing politics with someone once who asked me if I had read "Das Kapital", and I replied, sadly, with "Why would I read that Jewish bullshit?". Anything that is not safely praising nationalism is a jewish lie to them, talking has very little chance of success.

The mentality mentioned above of the world being against them also serves to keep unruly members in line - a person cannot leave, once he is in, as he loses the respect and friendship of his "comrades", and then where does he turn? Out of every single nazi I met, only 2 were married, and only 4 had girlfriends atall (who were nazis themselves) - Wigan Mike himself, one of the more active and social nazis, had a Russian mail-order bride. The lack of sexual contact with the opposite sex leads to them overcompensating - they view drinking, fighting and "paki-bashing" as manly exploits, and thus they become the core of nationalists social lives. This overcompensation, to an extent, can arise from being viewn as a homosexual. As mentioned before, I was bullied due to doubts about my sexuality, and I wasnt the only one within the "movement" to suffer this. I think theres another post drifting around about homosexuals within nationalist ranks at the moment, and I think that in-the-closet, self-loathing gays make up a core of support for nationalism. Ironically, homophobia amongst the general community creates social outcasts, who in turn are snapped up by the fascists.

Thanks for reading this post, and bearing with the poor English etc. Personally, I was given a second chance which many nationalists never get, and managed to free myself from the cycle of indoctrination which claims many minds even today. In your replies I ask that you respect that I am no longer a national socialist (although naturally there will be some suspicion about me at first - that is understandable) and I hope this post has been useful, or at the very least enlightening.

[Steve_j]

Hey mate, welcome to the board.

Im gonna take you at face value although the name is a little fishy, seems like you are highlighting your ethnicity (slavic?) and year of birth. I have plenty of questions for you but to start (whilst im not looking to get you thrown in OI) what are your political views now? And what was that second chance you got? Can you elaborate?

Anyway i hope you are genuine in which case, congrats for pulling your head out and putting that shit behind you and thanks for comming to share your story with us.

[Slav92]

Hey mate, welcome to the board.

Im gonna take you at face value although the name is a little fishy, seems like you are highlighting your ethnicity (slavic?) and year of birth.


Thanks, and nah mate, I come from the north of England :) I just used the name "Slav" in online gaming for years (Long before I knew who the slavs were) and I'm too unorginal to think of anything else


I have plenty of questions for you but to start (whilst im not looking to get you thrown in OI) what are your political views now? And what was that second chance you got? Can you elaborate?

I'm very much to the left now, marxist I do believe, but theres so many subsects and factions that make up the left its hard to put a finger on it, suffice to say, equality for all (rich, poor, black, white, islamic, christian, gay and straight), redistribution of wealth and ending the oppression of the west are now my fundamental core ideals.

My second chance was literally the chance to start a new life - at the end of high school I started at a college where not many people knew of my past - and thus were more likely to give me a chance, which is all I asked for. This helped immensley in the "de-nazification" process (For lack of a better word)


Anyway i hope you are genuine in which case, congrats for pulling your head out and putting that shit behind you and thanks for comming to share your story with us.

Thank you :) Quite frankly I'd think you were a fool if you didnt suspect I wasnt genuine at first, but hopefully I can prove my loyalty in time :)

[Adi Shankara]

Thank you :) Quite frankly I'd think you were a fool if you didnt suspect I wasnt genuine at first, but hopefully I can prove my loyalty in time :)

I'm immediately suspicious.

[Nachie]

I commend you for having chosen the path of personal growth as well as having the courage it takes to openly confront the parts of your past that were holding you back, and forgive yourself.

I wish you a long and happy life :)

[Kayser_Soso]

I cannot speak as to the extent he has renounced the movement(though it seems pretty genuine), based on his account of his personal history in the movement I would say that is 100% true. I have heard similar stories almost word for word from many ex-Nazis.

[durhamleft]

Hey everyone, as you can probably tell from my post count, I am new, but I'm no stranger to left wing philosophy, anyway, the purpose of this thread is not an introduction, but to attempt to give you an insight into the mind of an (ex) fascist.

I'm not going to beat around the bush, I am the ex-fascist in question. Although I was only 14 years old when I first dabbled in fascism, and 16 when I changed my ways, in this time I met such infamous names as wigan-mike and joined the ASF. Fortunately, the furthest I ever went with regards to political activism was meeting with individuals and creating made-up stories to impress people.

As I said, I was 14 years old when I first encountered the fascist ideology. I was constantly bullied because of suspicions about my sexuality, which led to me being ostracized by a large majority of people I knew (Please bear with me - I'm not creating excuses here, there is a point). Many people I met within the "movement" were outcasts, seeking social solidarity with whoever would take them, rather than any attraction to racism and national socialism. Obviously, the only thing that ties the "community" together is their narrowminded beliefs, and so a cycle of indoctrination is created - people voluntarily indoctrinate themselves in order to gain more respect from the community, which in their mind makes them more popular and more liked.

That is, not to say, that everyone within the national socialist "movement" is in the same boat, although everyone who I met either started off as an outcast and joined whoever would take them, or lost almost everyone close to them because of their beliefs.

The indoctrination process is gradual, you dont change overnight into a narrowminded, sieg-heiling, "wont-eat-the-black-jelly-babies" zombie. Atleast for me, it started out with a worship of the "heroes" of national socialism, combat 18, ian stuart donaldson, adolf hitler and so on. Naturally, as I was only 14 when I first set foot on the path (I'm 18 now - 2 years free) I do not have any memory of the NF marches or fascism before the 90's, and subsequently they were portrayed to me as heroes of a by-gone era by the leadership of website such as blood & honour etc. In reality, ofcourse, they were little more than balding old men with a nazi fetish, but at the time they were portrayed as role models and valiant warriors.

And ofcourse, the very ideal of national socialism is designed to create a hold on its subjects. Any and all criticism of national socialism, its members, nationalism or left-wing ideas are immediately portrayed as "Jewish lies" or "Leftist lies". I remember discussing politics with someone once who asked me if I had read "Das Kapital", and I replied, sadly, with "Why would I read that Jewish bullshit?". Anything that is not safely praising nationalism is a jewish lie to them, talking has very little chance of success.

The mentality mentioned above of the world being against them also serves to keep unruly members in line - a person cannot leave, once he is in, as he loses the respect and friendship of his "comrades", and then where does he turn? Out of every single nazi I met, only 2 were married, and only 4 had girlfriends atall (who were nazis themselves) - Wigan Mike himself, one of the more active and social nazis, had a Russian mail-order bride. The lack of sexual contact with the opposite sex leads to them overcompensating - they view drinking, fighting and "paki-bashing" as manly exploits, and thus they become the core of nationalists social lives. This overcompensation, to an extent, can arise from being viewn as a homosexual. As mentioned before, I was bullied due to doubts about my sexuality, and I wasnt the only one within the "movement" to suffer this. I think theres another post drifting around about homosexuals within nationalist ranks at the moment, and I think that in-the-closet, self-loathing gays make up a core of support for nationalism. Ironically, homophobia amongst the general community creates social outcasts, who in turn are snapped up by the fascists.

Thanks for reading this post, and bearing with the poor English etc. Personally, I was given a second chance which many nationalists never get, and managed to free myself from the cycle of indoctrination which claims many minds even today. In your replies I ask that you respect that I am no longer a national socialist (although naturally there will be some suspicion about me at first - that is understandable) and I hope this post has been useful, or at the very least enlightening.

When I was about 11, I asked my father if the British National Party were good because a kid at school's father was a member, and he sat me down and told me never to talk to that child again.

[Slav92]

I'm immediately suspicious.

And so you should be :)


I commend you for having chosen the path of personal growth as well as having the courage it takes to openly confront the parts of your past that were holding you back, and forgive yourself.

I wish you a long and happy life :)

Thank you :) You're very kind!


I cannot speak as to the extent he has renounced the movement(though it seems pretty genuine), based on his account of his personal history in the movement I would say that is 100% true. I have heard similar stories almost word for word from many ex-Nazis.

Unforunately, I fear my personal history may be irrelevant. I left the "movement" - if it can be called that, long before the rise of the EDL and at a time where the BNP were not considered political allies. Before the EDL taught fascists everywhere that street action is possible, the closest we came to street activity were remembering the days of the NF, or looking at Format 18 in Russia with envy. Or Wigan Mike attacking lone newspaper sellers.

Either way, from my perspective, fascism has changed radically in the last few years, its recruits are being drawn more and more from general thugs and football hooligans these days.



When I was about 11, I asked my father if the British National Party were good because a kid at school's father was a member, and he sat me down and told me never to talk to that child again.

Many people within the "movement" had weak parental figures, or in the case of myself and many others, none atall. Although this does touch on what I mentioned in the original post. How would that boy, if he so chose, renounce his views if everyones father told their sons not to speak to him? Social exclusion breeds fascism.

[Kayser_Soso]

Based on the story you told I totally believe you. It is good that you recognized right away the two most important things about these organizations:

1. Because white=good, and any moron can be white, these movements will constantly attract social misfits and outcasts no matter what they do. Outside the group, any one of these guys may be nothing more than a socially awkward dork- in the group, they're a "brother."

2. If this movement represents something positive, why are there so many people in it who have problems forming basic relationships? You hit the nail on the head when you recognized this.

[Steve_j]

I'm very much to the left now, marxist I do believe, but theres so many subsects and factions that make up the left its hard to put a finger on it

Welcome to the club, quite a few of the people here dont fall under any particular sub grouping, which is great for generally avoiding the tendency wars that plauge these boards, yet at the same time you can get away with trolling the odd stalinist :thumbup1:



Before the EDL taught fascists everywhere that street action is possible.........fascism has changed radically in the last few years, its recruits are being drawn more and more from general thugs and football hooligans these days.

Interesting points, but i would still say alot of the EDL are not thugs and football holigans, but much like you described, social misfits and those that are marginalised by society that have suddenly found some (warped) form of social intergration and "identity" within the EDL.

On your first comment there, obviously quite a lot of nazi's do tag along to edl demos, but as you said "the EDL taught fascists everywhere that street action is possible", do you think this will see a return of nazis to the street under their own banner? Or that they will be content for now under the EDL banner?

[Slav92]

Welcome to the club, quite a few of the people here dont fall under any particular sub grouping, which is great for generally avoiding the tendency wars that plauge these boards, yet at the same time you can get away with trolling the odd stalinist :thumbup1:

I like you :)




On your first comment there, obviously quite a lot of nazi's do tag along to edl demos, but as you said "the EDL taught fascists everywhere that street action is possible", do you think this will see a return of nazis to the street under their own banner? Or that they will be content for now under the EDL banner?


The EDL craze will burn out eventually, as mad as it is to think, the far right is perhaps even more factionalised than the left, barely a week goes without one group popping up out of the ashes of an old group - it depends on the personal opinion of the leaders of these small groups - as I said before, free thought is actively discouraged amongst the rank and file, so the leaders priorities take a more prominent role in support for the EDL.

Its not hard to see the differences between the two either - on the one hand you have the people who like to spout the "14 words", the people who focus more on "securing the future for the white race" and whatever are more political, whereas the people who go "paki bashing" on a saturday night are taken in more by factions who advocate racial violence as a day-to-day necessary.

[redSHARP]

when we really look at it, we all are kind of taking things on face value. and a few of us are former fascists ourselves. welcome, and explore.

[The Idler]

When I was about 11, I asked my father if the British National Party were good because a kid at school's father was a member, and he sat me down and told me never to talk to that child again.
Not talking to a kid whose father was a BNP member is one of the worst things I have ever heard on revleft.

[durhamleft]

Not talking to a kid whose father was a BNP member is one of the worst things I have ever heard on revleft.

Obviously it was an over reaction on my father's behalf, but as a man who had lost half his family to the Nazi's and half his face to the National Front, I have a degree of sympathy with him, as he didn't want me to be poisoned by the filth the child repeated from his father.

[Victory]

Welcome brother. It's really good to see a former Nationalist whos changed so much.
You are the second person I have met who has changed like from being a Nationalist to on the left.

I would enjoy speaking to you more and asking you lots of questions. However, take some strong advise, don't give out any infomation on here publically. - I will PM you my contacts.

[DragonQuestWes]

Life as a nationalist/Neo-Nazi must have been hell has it?

Good to see that you got out of it while you were still able to. I apologize if I scare you or anything but, just make sure none of the nationalists or Neo-Nazis know about what you've been up to.

I've learned quite a lot from reading your story!

[Kayser_Soso]

People who have been in those movements are highly valuable to the left, because many leftists simply don't know much about the mindset of the movement. There are a lot more people who can be freed from nationalism and racialism, but many leftists simply don't know how to talk to them. I also believe that former nationalists are often valuable because they can easily spot veiled racialist propaganda wherever it may appear.

[Volcanicity]

People who have been in those movements are highly valuable to the left, because many leftists simply don't know much about the mindset of the movement. There are a lot more people who can be freed from nationalism and racialism, but many leftists simply don't know how to talk to them. I also believe that former nationalists are often valuable because they can easily spot veiled racialist propaganda wherever it may appear.
Exactly and it also shows them to be human beings who have intelligence and actually care about things-some not all-instead of using the "all nazis have small dicks" thing which is not useful at all.

[Slav92]

Thanks for all the kind words guys :) Its really appreciated


Welcome brother. It's really good to see a former Nationalist whos changed so much.
You are the second person I have met who has changed like from being a Nationalist to on the left.

I would enjoy speaking to you more and asking you lots of questions. However, take some strong advise, don't give out any infomation on here publically. - I will PM you my contacts.

Thanks :) Looking forward to it.


Life as a nationalist/Neo-Nazi must have been hell has it?

Looking back on it, it wasnt exactly pleasant, but at the time, well ignorance is bliss. Deluding yourself is part of daily routine - i actually thought i was at the vanguard of an international movement rather than sat on my arse posting racist comments on various websites.

If anyone does have any questions or comments or anything I would be happy to answer either in this thread or PM. I'm very very thankful for all your kind words and acceptance, and I'd be very happy to repay the debt by any means :)

[The Idler]

Obviously it was an over reaction on my father's behalf, but as a man who had lost half his family to the Nazi's and half his face to the National Front, I have a degree of sympathy with him, as he didn't want me to be poisoned by the filth the child repeated from his father.
So much for the child who was shunned by you, ever wondered if even agreed with his dad? Obviously patriarchal advice was good for you, maybe the other kid wasn't so compliant.

[tbasherizer]

Comrade Slav92! Welcome to the boards! (I'm not really one to be welcoming anyone, considering my post count, but whatevs...) I really think these forums could be a good educational experience, seeing as we have membership from across the wide spectrum of the revolutionary left. I'm glad that it's possible for a white nationalist to recognize the unity of humanity :)

[Jazzhands]

I always thought fascism was an incurable disease. Well, welcome to the good side! here, try this link for starters.

http://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm

[NickGriffin]

convert them:)

[NickGriffin]

BTW, my nick is deliberately designed to rub it in the faces of BNP scum

[GreenCommunism]

Looking back on it, it wasnt exactly pleasant, but at the time, well ignorance is bliss. Deluding yourself is part of daily routine - i actually thought i was at the vanguard of an international movement rather than sat on my arse posting racist comments on various websites.

If anyone does have any questions or comments or anything I would be happy to answer either in this thread or PM. I'm very very thankful for all your kind words and acceptance, and I'd be very happy to repay the debt by any mean

was there any sort in intra violence? i mean within the group, did you have to fight at any point, or did someone want to and someone else said you were a good nazi so you deserved to be protected. did you manage to simply keep out of the possible claim of disloyalty by saying a few racist epithet.

[Volcanicity]

BTW, my nick is deliberately designed to rub it in the faces of BNP scum
Calling yourself Nick Griffin on a forum for the Revolutionary Left is just going to make you look a dick or a troll.

[Kayser_Soso]

was there any sort in intra violence? i mean within the group, did you have to fight at any point, or did someone want to and someone else said you were a good nazi so you deserved to be protected. did you manage to simply keep out of the possible claim of disloyalty by saying a few racist epithet.

There is a LOT of infighting in the WN movement. If we are speaking of skinheads then it is literally fighting, and it happens all the time. It's usually over girls or some stupid shit. In the wider non-skinhead movement the fighting takes the form of innuendo, rumor, and maneuvering to get the most members, to get one's own organization, or to get someone's mailing list. And yes, sometimes it's still about a girl.

This usually happens because WN organizations tend to come and go(most are just a flash in the pan), and if one is doing real well in terms of members, others need to either turn the tables or they will be lost to obscurity. They are fighting over a tiny pie, a small fraction of the population(at least in America). They have little ability to expand beyond that fraction so they need to fight over what they already have.

[GreenCommunism]

There is a LOT of infighting in the WN movement. If we are speaking of skinheads then it is literally fighting, and it happens all the time. It's usually over girls or some stupid shit. In the wider non-skinhead movement the fighting takes the form of innuendo, rumor, and maneuvering to get the most members, to get one's own organization, or to get someone's mailing list. And yes, sometimes it's still about a girl.

This usually happens because WN organizations tend to come and go(most are just a flash in the pan), and if one is doing real well in terms of members, others need to either turn the tables or they will be lost to obscurity. They are fighting over a tiny pie, a small fraction of the population(at least in America). They have little ability to expand beyond that fraction so they need to fight over what they already have.

lol i know, i just wanted to know his experience and if they allow those who are not thugs to live quietly in peace, i mean is it a warrior vs warrior thing or do the serf have to live in constant fear of what the will of the warriors.

also i feel like the manoeuvering is common to all political parties in the mainstream, politicians for example bullshit you constantly.

[durhamleft]

Calling yourself Nick Griffin on a forum for the Revolutionary Left is just going to make you look a dick or a troll.

It depends entirely on the content of his posts comrade, if he is clearly an anti-capitalist leftie then everyone will realise it is ironic, much like my profile pic. If not then it will soon become clear he is a tw*t.

[Slav92]

was there any sort in intra violence? i mean within the group, did you have to fight at any point, or did someone want to and someone else said you were a good nazi so you deserved to be protected. did you manage to simply keep out of the possible claim of disloyalty by saying a few racist epithet.

Violence is the easiest way to progress through the ranks. It was essentially a tribal system - if you thought the left wing was fragmented, you've seen nothing. Internal power struggles dominated the movement - the leader of the ASF, wiganmike (now in jail I think) never actually forced people to fight, but if you wanted to get anywhere you had to. The older and younger members were not entirely excluded (They were expected to fight their own age group).

Not that they cared who this violence was directed towards, whether it be a couple of students selling SWP newspapers, a night club with a communist theme, any of the "inferior" races or a fascist who'd fallen out of favour with the leader. Anyone who wasnt in your particular faction was a target. Violence against innocents was fine too - you could justify anything by accusing someone of being a "race traitor" (and often, the allegation was more than enough)

Only time I ever fought personally was in the schoolyard against my asian and black peers. After these fights, ofcourse, I'd run back home and make a forum thread or send an msn message or whatever. I made up a lot of fights aswell to garner respect. Everyone did it, no one wanted to disrespect their fellows (and risk becoming a pariah, or creating further in-fighting) by asking for evidence. Anything that comes from the far right without an actual video of it happening needs to be taken with a pinch of salt (Even pictures were taken out of context in order to gain respect)

The accusation alone was usually enough to convict someone of disloyalty. I remember one particular member of the Blood & Honor forums, Faszysta, had been posting ideas that were considered uncomfortable (i.e; anything that wasnt in mein kampf). A member of the ASF, cant remember his online name for the life of me but his son was a member aswell, he got charged with wiganmike for terrorism, quickly proceeded to attempt to organise a fight with him. He never turned up, which made him a coward (in our eyes), which discredited him. Your entire credibility could be ruined in a night if someone said you were disloyal and you didnt win a fight against them. It was very 12th century.

The easiest way to avoid allegations of disloyalty was to spout the same shit they've always been spouting. Free thought was discouraged, and new ideas were discouraged. As such, the nazi "movement" will be exactly the same in a hundred years time as it is now. (And it will last that long - many people within the movement considered it their duty to have as many children as possible and indoctrinate them all, even going so far as to remove them from public education)

Kayser_soso is correct, the more members you have, the more powerful you are, the more powerful you are, the bigger a target you become. Imagine if every time the SWP became more powerful, the entire left wing united to destroy them and you've got the tip of the iceberg.


lol i know, i just wanted to know his experience and if they allow those who are not thugs to live quietly in peace, i mean is it a warrior vs warrior thing or do the serf have to live in constant fear of what the will of the warriors.

Non-thugs were tolerated, but non-thug and coward often became confused. If you didnt have battle scars, and someone took a dislike to you, you were in a precarious position. The fighters are very much above the thinkers in the pecking order.

[fa2991]

Out of curiosity, did you "national socialists" consider yourself socialists? I've yet to meet one that did.

[Sasha]

Out of curiosity, did you "national socialists" consider yourself socialists? I've yet to meet one that did.

may i refer you to the dutch NSA; strasserist, pro-RAF & IRA, pro-squatting etc etc

[Burn A Flag]

Thanks very much for your post, I found it extremely enlightening!

[Slav92]

Out of curiosity, did you "national socialists" consider yourself socialists? I've yet to meet one that did.

Any association with the left is looked down upon (Apart from the stealing of symbols - the same "we took your end" crap you see with football hooligans), but the ideology is pseudo-socialist, even if no one realised it. Equality for all (whites) against the evil rich oppressor (jews) etc etc, theres tonnes of silmilarities between the left and the right. Just with more of an emphasis on race rather than class (disregarding the support for a monarchy, totalatarian government and the state in general, ofcourse).


Thanks very much for your post, I found it extremely enlightening!

Glad you think like that :) Glad to be of service

[Honggweilo]

may i refer you to the dutch NSA; strasserist, pro-RAF & IRA, pro-squatting etc etc

pro-Mao , pro-Focoism :lol:


Any association with the left is looked down upon (Apart from the stealing of symbols - the same "we took your end" crap you see with football hooligans), but the ideology is pseudo-socialist, even if no one realised it. Equality for all (whites) against the evil rich oppressor (jews) etc etc, theres tonnes of silmilarities between the left and the right. Just with more of an emphasis on race rather than class (disregarding the support for a monarchy, totalatarian government and the state in general, ofcourse).
mostly true, except for the fact that fascism and nazism arent anti-capitalist in the sence of seeking to replace the current economical system, but vertical (authoritarian) corporatist, seeking to unite all classes in a society under false a pretext (moslty along etnhic lines, sometimes cultural) against an external enemy, for the benefits of the traditional desperate capitalist ruling class in crisis.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Im a bit late but..Welcome! Glad to see that youve joined us at the dark side :lol:

[777]

Out of curiosity, did you "national socialists" consider yourself socialists? I've yet to meet one that did.

Definetely! I saw it as a practical socialism, and still do in some respects. My National Socialism was the kind stripped of the Hitler fetish, and focused on a workers direct-democracy. It was basically Anarchism with a racial basis.

[COMPLEXproductions]

When I was about 11, I asked my father if the British National Party were good because a kid at school's father was a member, and he sat me down and told me never to talk to that child again.

Good man. Glad to hear your father was a thinking man :thumbup1:

[COMPLEXproductions]

I'm late as well, I haven't read everything so pardon if I repeat something already questioned. First, What is it you mean when you said you were for the liberation of the West?

[Malatesta]

Slav 92, we admire your candour! 'Malatesta' have started a Revleft thread on skinheads, if you can contribute anything to this please do. It is not clear if you were actually a skin yourself but if you could document any of your experiences as or with nazi skins, that would be very helpful. We are trying to collate as many different experiences for a longer work and which will also be developed on the Malatesta blog
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2010/09/

1 question: is it true that there is more changing from right wing to left rather than left to right? Any help gratefully recieved, obviously, do not incriminate yourself or use known names, you know the drill. 'Malatesta'

[Kayser_Soso]

Definetely! I saw it as a practical socialism, and still do in some respects. My National Socialism was the kind stripped of the Hitler fetish, and focused on a workers direct-democracy. It was basically Anarchism with a racial basis.

Did you ever post on a site called the Phora?

[Slav92]

I'm late as well, I haven't read everything so pardon if I repeat something already questioned. First, What is it you mean when you said you were for the liberation of the West?

No problem, ask anything :)

The national socialists, as ludicrous as it sounds, believe the western europe is under siege by swarms of barbarians. We actually believe(d) that immigrants set out to destroy western culture and civilization, and wernt actually fleeing from varied problems caused, mainly, by the west. They believe they are the guardians of western culture, as the government accepts immigrants and are therefore seen as sitting by idlely (more often than not under the influence of jews)




1 question: is it true that there is more changing from right wing to left rather than left to right? Any help gratefully recieved, obviously, do not incriminate yourself or use known names, you know the drill. 'Malatesta'

Thanks very much for the compliments :) Ill check the thread out

I'd say that you hear more about conversions from right to left more - it gets them frothing at the mouth to hear about "traitors" (no doubt theres a thread in some corner of the internet calling everyone in this thread nasty names) but admitting you used to be in any way left wing was at best, a risk with no reward.

At the very worst, your past would be used against you to discredit you, at the very best, your past would make you untrustworthy. The sensible left to right converters keep quiet about it.

That being said though, a left to right converter wouldnt be turned away, a "confessions of an ex-communist" thread on stormfront would be recieved in pretty much the same way this thread is being recieved - albeit with a bit more heiling hitler. But when it comes to actual political action, an ex-lefty would never be trusted.

And just to give you a firm idea of the numbers of left to right converters, I knew a whole 1 converter in the whole time I was a nazi. And when I say knew, I mean admitted it on a forum, there are very very very rare.

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Did you ever post on a site called the Phora?

Nope, never heard of it tbh. I was mainly using Blood and Honour, Stormfront, ENResist and AnUk.

As I left the NS thing there was a growing group of Autonomous Nationalists that got very mixed reviews. Apparently Autonomous Nationalists, National Anarchists and whatnot were just marxists practicing entryism. Well, apparently it worked.;)

[COMPLEXproductions]

Okay, well. Sometimes you must make the difference from what you believed before and what it is you believe now. It was a bit confusing. I thought you were saying that is what you wanted now.

[L.A.P.]

How many of the people in your high school know you now reject Fascism? Unfortunately, saying your a Marxist I don't think would help either purely because of the fact that people actually assumed that when I said I was a Marxist I supported Nazism and believe communism and fascism are related. Then again, you were in college so I'm sure half of your professors were Marxists themselves. Never mind that though, this was a very interesting post you made and a very inspiring one I would be very interested in you making a series of threads elaborating on your experiences and life as a Neo-Nazi.

[Slav92]

Okay, well. Sometimes you must make the difference from what you believed before and what it is you believe now. It was a bit confusing. I thought you were saying that is what you wanted now.

My apologies


How many of the people in your high school know you now reject Fascism? Unfortunately, saying your a Marxist I don't think would help either purely because of the fact that people actually assumed that when I said I was a Marxist I supported Nazism and believe communism and fascism are related. Then again, you were in college so I'm sure half of your professors were Marxists themselves. Never mind that though, this was a very interesting post you made and a very inspiring one I would be very interested in you making a series of threads elaborating on your experiences and life as a Neo-Nazi.

Around half and half. There are some people who believe I'm still a Nazi (Nothing is more embarassing than someone asking "are you still a Nazi?" around people who dont know your past, btw :P), and some who know I reformed myself. The people in my high school were very apolitical, the main response to "X is a nazi" was "But hes not german!"

There are a few more ex-fascists hanging around here who are better suited to your idea of a series of posts, unfortunately I've really not got much to tell other than an insight into the thought process of the time. I was a nazi for around 2-3 years, before the rise of the EDL and whilst the BNP were still hated amongst the nazis, street action in a group did not really exist.

In hindsight, it is quite horrifying that, amongst the apolitical, fascism was tolerated. In my experience, they were more than willing to sit back and claim I had a right to free speech while openly insulting blacks and asians, and made no arguments against me. Today, this is disturbing to me, whilst the people on the recieving end of the insults were more than willing to stand up to me, it seemed a large portion of the people accepted it (That is, not to say I wasnt a pariah, merely that people stood by and did nothing about it). Maybe the horrors of fascism and racism are being forgotten amongst the youth, maybe its just my experience.

[COMPLEXproductions]

No worries, Señor

[GreenCommunism]

Nothing is more embarassing than someone asking "are you still a Nazi?" around people who dont know your past, btw :P

LOL.


In hindsight, it is quite horrifying that, amongst the apolitical, fascism was tolerated. In my experience, they were more than willing to sit back and claim I had a right to free speech while openly insulting blacks and asians, and made no arguments against me. Today, this is disturbing to me, whilst the people on the recieving end of the insults were more than willing to stand up to me, it seemed a large portion of the people accepted it (That is, not to say I wasnt a pariah, merely that people stood by and did nothing about it). Maybe the horrors of fascism and racism are being forgotten amongst the youth, maybe its just my experience.

many people think that fascism isn't totally stupid as they are racist themselves, they just think of it as extreme racism, or don't even believe themself to be racist because it is 'true'.

whenever i try to bring up communist idea most people simply nod and don't care. i think the opposition to both is kinda similar. fascism is horrible and communism doesn't work, plus we all know what communism leads to!

the apolitical are pretty much bothered by mention of politics mostly, they don't realize so many things they say is political. the politically aware who are for the mainstream party are the one shitting on you for whatever belief you have. even the social democrats are much more angry at you than they are against the conservatives.