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Malatesta
1st August 2010, 12:28
Whilst trawling the far right websites is by turns scary, hilarious and stupefying, it rarely fails to be unpredictable. As we all know the BNP and other Nazi grupuscules are fairly candid about their rampant homophobia but they often come a cropper when they realise that ‘iron hoofs’ are in fact part of their number. The far right (and indeed much of the national media) seem absolutely incapable of distinguishing between gay people and paedophiles and regularly call for the death penalty for all ‘perverts,’ ‘paedos’ and ‘nonces’ whilst conveniently not looking closer to home and forgetting there are gay members of the BNP and regular revelations of yet another member of the BNP convicted for child pornography. Which is a tad hypocritical.

Griffin & Webster: ‘Things happened that night between Nick and myself.’
It has long been a ‘bone’ of contention that Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP, was once in a gay relationship with ex-National Fronter Martin Webster. Webster has already written about his relationship with Griffin, which lasted 4 years, and, in the week following Griffin’s confrontation with gay activist Peter Tatchell, Webster has now gone down the YouTube and is talking about it there (tap in ‘BNP Nick Griffin Is Gay’). Subsequently, on Real Nationalists Online – a splinter from the North West Nationalists web forum – there is a thread delicately entitled ‘Is Griffin A Cocksucker?’ Webster’s revelations contradict Griffin’s crass statement that he found the idea of 2 men kissing ‘creepy.’ Webster was eventually ousted from the NF by John Tyndall for ‘homosexualism’ whilst Griffin prospered. The far right rumour mill is not to be taken too seriously and conspiracy theories hatch on the web as fast as Griffin can write begging letters (in his latest 1 he is even asking for sums as small as 50p. The good ship BNP is seriously holed. No jokes please!). One of the more interesting theories is that Griffin is being blackmailed by the ‘secret state’ over his sexual history in order to wreck the BNP. Given his ineptitude, it is doubtful the secret state need to be involved but it is a rumour that hangs around him much to the embarrassment of his acolytes.

Following the leadership challenge by Eddie Butler (Bitler) and sundry suspensions, Griffins online attack dogs on VNNuk Forum have been slagging off Peter Stafford of Liverpool BNP for being gay. VNN started a thread on ‘Liverpool’s Resident Homosexual’ (Stafford) stating ‘Why the fuck LBNP haven't done anything about this fucking mincer is very odd.’ Indeed. Another poster wrote that ‘Eddy Butler has a big gay following. I know many other gay men in the party who support him’ thus smearing Butler and his supporters. All typical tactics by Griffin’s boys who also continue to smear Jonathan Bowden who is supporting Butler. Are these web Rottweiler’s aware of Nick’s previous ‘proclivities’? Have they discussed this with him over tea?

Liverpool BNP
VNNuk has featured a long running thread entitled Searchlight Spies which is now running to 260 pages at last count and is dedicated to outing ‘reds’, ‘wrong ’uns’ and ‘nonces.’ The thrust of the thread is that Liverpool BNP and other branches are riddled with informants and people spend considerable amounts of energy and bile exposing them, targeting the likes of Tony Ward and Peter Tierney in particular. The hirsute Tierney was recently done for attacking an antifascist but it is Ward’s self-outing on VNN that really takes the garibaldi. On the website, amidst various threats to out and smear, Ward surprisingly posted the following: he ‘would like to tell you I am Transgendered, I am a non transitioning transsexual’ and that ‘I kept that quiet for the BNP's protection not mine.’ Jings! There was a subsequent explosion of homophobic condemnation which is not going to do LBNP many favours. Tony ‘Hammerhead’ Ward married a Chinese women to prevent her, he said, from ‘race mixing.’ How kind. On hearing this we can assume she no longer lends him her frocks.

To add to this there was also a thread on VNNuk supporting woman and child beating cop killer Raoul Moat who some said was striking back at the establishment. This again caused a highly entertaining slanging match on the merits of Monsieur Moat or ‘Moaty.’ Apart from being a violent murdering psychopath, Moat had apparently been depicted in make up and a fetching mini-skirt which caused the most consternation amongst the Nazis. Several posters openly supported Moat but to be fair, others did not. This is not exactly great PR for the BNP.

The sexual intrigues of Liverpool Nazis continues. On recent posts we mentioned that someone had been smearing local Liam Pinkham claiming that he was booted out of the British Freedom Fighters (BFF) over an alleged relationship with an underage girl. (It is likely this rumour was started by now BFF leader Mark Galpin). Given the perpetual infighting and slagging that characterises the Nazi websites it did not take long for more information to emerge. A VNN thread on the recently jailed ‘Wigan Mike’ Heaton (see previous ‘Malatesta’ postings) has been most revelatory. Not all Nazis see Heaton as an Aryan saviour it would seem and his ex-girlfriend ‘Kim Whitenightshade’ is one of them. Ms Whitenightshade referred to Wigan Mike’s preference for ‘his daughters friend who is 22 years younger than he is’ and also to ‘Countrywide's’ chats with Mike’s 15 year old daughter.’ Crivvens! Countrywide is also known as Mark Galpin of the BFF, who smeared Whitenightshade as a ‘police informer, MI5 agent and proven grass’ as well as starting the Pinkham rumours. Kim confirmed that Pinkham, who was ‘misled’ by the ‘Big Fat Fucks,’ had been having a ‘supervised and non-physical relationship’ with Whitenightshade’s 15 year old daughter but was ‘the perfect gent.’ Following a domestic, Kim is no longer allowed near Heaton - which is no big deal as he is in jail for the next 30 months. On VNN, Kim claims she is revealing all of this because she was booted out of the BFF by ‘Chubbo’ in a jealous rage over Heaton. ‘Chubbo’ is nicknamed thus for ample reasons.

BNPaedos!
And it goes on. Last week former BNP member Darren Francis was done for having sex with an underage girl in Northampton. And Simon Shepperd who has just been done for internet unpleasantness (see Heaton Guilty by ‘Malatesta’) has recorded his preferences for the under-16s in an autobiographical screed. And they are not the only Nazi perverts: NF member Martyn Gilleard was done for bomb making and possessing 39,000 obscene images of children; BNP candidate Roderick Rowley was done for child porn and BNP members Ian Hindle and Andrew Wells had child abuse convictions. More heterosexually, ex-BNP top rankers Mark Collett and Dave Hannam were accused of attempting to seduce 2 underage girls at the 2006 Blackpool BNP jamboree and Collett had done this type of thing before in 2005. That Nazis and BNPers espouse one thing and do another is obvious, particularly in terms of violence, crime and drugs. But next time they all start shouting about hanging gay people and lumping paedophiles in there with them, they should perhaps check what their comrades have been up to.



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Dimentio
1st August 2010, 15:25
This is just what to be expected. In a homophobic, antisemitic environment, people try to get rid of one another by accusing one another for being gays or Jews. If one was to take the words of all stormfront rumours, then Stormfront would probably be more Jewish than ADL.

Bijan Li Causi X
1st August 2010, 15:42
Mein Kampf with the hairdryer in the morning was sooo draining

i feel delicate, and gentle, and unloved.


you know my dad thought hitler hated jews because a jew gave hi8s mum VD, i wish he would not watch the history chanel, its a load of ass juice

ContrarianLemming
1st August 2010, 16:07
"it's strange...Stormfront is virulently anti-homosexual and anti-pornography...yet you get the most homoerotic undertones from some of those pictures they post and the threads where they describe the "strong, handsome white male""

I think that was thomas sankara.

Kayser_Soso
1st August 2010, 16:24
Sexual issues are commonplace in that movement. There are a lot of repressed homosexuals, but more than that there are many who are just plain perverts(I'm not insinuating gays are perverts, I mean a lot of movement people are by definition, perverts, straight or gay), such as pedo Kevin Alfred Strom, William Pierce, the guy in the Boston NA unit who forced a 14 year old to give him oral sex, the leader of the 1920s Klan(raped a girl to death), and many, many more. If you're ever bored one night, you can have a lot of fun researching into the sexual exploits of the WN movement. It's hilarious.

costello1977
1st August 2010, 19:21
Would this revelation of sexual preference make Nick Griffin the epitomy of self-loathing?

Bubbles
1st August 2010, 21:41
Any info on Jörg Haider? The roomers says he was secretly gay.

A song about his death; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKpbTGqfPY

9
1st August 2010, 22:34
Almost as weird as a bunch of leftists with a Nazi fetish. ;)

jaffe
2nd August 2010, 00:12
Any info on Jörg Haider? The roomers says he was secretly gay.


http://whitewatch.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/apa20071203134554.jpg

This was the place he visited before he died. Also his party secratary confesed he was having an affair with him.

RED DAVE
2nd August 2010, 00:35
There was a strong gay component in the early nazi party in Germany, including some pretty explicit allegations against hitler.

Ernst Rohm, leader of the brownshirts, the original organized thugs of the nazis, was gay and organized a gay coterie in the brownshirt movement. hitler had them murdered in the so-called "Night of the Long Knives."

RED DAVE

Ravachol
2nd August 2010, 00:44
There was a strong gay component in the early nazi party in Germany, including some pretty explicit allegations against hitler.

Ernst Rohm, leader of the brownshirts, the original organized thugs of the nazis, was gay and organized a gay coterie in the brownshirt movement. hitler had them murdered in the so-called "Night of the Long Knives."

RED DAVE

People like Michael Kuhnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_K%C3%BChnen), one of the major proponents of post-WWI national-socialism (of the Rohm variety) was homosexual as well, even defending (in a very crude, non-emancipatory way) homosexuality in the context of national-socialism in his pamphlet "Nationalsozialismus und Homosexualität". In this pamphlet Kuhnen claims homosexuality enables dedicated national-socialist men to "dedicate themselves completely to cultural development and serving the nation without any personal interest".

Considering the extreme focus on masculinity in fascism I don't find it surprising that the admiration for this extreme masculinity turns into a sort of sexual attraction. It's just highly ironic for a bunch of homophobes.

this is an invasion
2nd August 2010, 01:00
Gay Aryan Skinheads


look it up

Kayser_Soso
2nd August 2010, 11:26
Ironic...AND HILARIOUS!!!

Magón
2nd August 2010, 22:09
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this, was: Is it really that surprising? Then I thought, not it's not because just look at them. You know Nazi's have to be Gay, the way they upkeep their appearance, dress, etc.

Not that I have anything against Homosexuality, I have friends and family that are, but just on a political level where their ideology says "NO OR WELL KILL YOU!" It's kinda ironic to think they're not with all these different signs.

Ravachol
2nd August 2010, 22:38
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this, was: Is it really that surprising? Then I thought, not it's not because just look at them. You know Nazi's have to be Gay, the way they upkeep their appearance, dress, etc.


I know you don't mean it like that but please be carefull with generalizing statements like that. While there is certainly a certain homosexual subculture adhering to all the limp-wristed stereotypes, homosexuality doesn't intrinsically come with the male/female behavior inversion, 'sissie' image. There are plenty of highly masculine homosexuals and lots of homosexuals who don't care about appearance of behavior at all and resemble heterosexual males of the same socio-economic group in all aspects. In fact, sexuality itself is a complicated matter. Sexual attraction isn't a binary scale and the process of attraction is a complex one. One can be attracted to a certain set of conditions including behavior, appearance, manners,etc. with all the aesthetic and psychological aspects involved. Attraction doesn't only involve biological gender. As a result, 'homosexuals' are not a homogenous group with homogenous behavior and attraction criteria.

An interesting discussion regarding this subject can be found here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/homosexuality-t125757/index.html) in one of those rare serious revleft topics :p



I assume you mean 'the Homosexual as experienced today' is a product of societal structures. The romantic and/or lust desire for a member of the same sex is obviously not a product of class relations

It is interesting you touch on this subject though, Foucault's The History of Sexuality deals extensivly with this.

The popular stereotype of 'the homosexual male' (eg. masculine/feminine traits inversion, exclusive homosexuality as opposed to shades of bisexuality, liberal politics, etc) is a product of the 'politics of sexuality'. If we, for example, trace the popular conception of 'the homosexual male' throughout history, we find it changes with the social constructions around it, from the 'disgusting, perverted sodomist and rapist' to the relatively emancipated, albeit simplistic, popular conception of today. In order to understand this, we have to look at the bigger picture of biopolitics. Homosexuality, especially in times where artificial conception wasn't availabe, has been viewed as undermining reproductivity. From the bourgois point of view, which relies on masses of workers to depress wages, this is obviously 'economically unhealthy'. For the church, which relied on it's power through indoctrination passed from generation to generation, desiring the maximum ammount of adherents possible, the homosexual male (considered hedonistic and incapable of 'family life') threatened the reproduction of their worldview and hence their social power. From these biopolitical conditions (amongst others) opression arose.

To make a very long sidestory short, 'the homosexual male of popular conception' is indeed a social construct. Homosexuality in itself (although I dislike to speak about it as an exclusive orientation) obviously, is not.

Magón
2nd August 2010, 22:51
I know you don't mean it like that but please be carefull with generalizing statements like that. While there is certainly a certain homosexual subculture adhering to all the limp-wristed stereotypes, homosexuality doesn't intrinsically come with the male/female behavior inversion, 'sissie' image. There are plenty of highly masculine homosexuals and lots of homosexuals who don't care about appearance of behavior at all and resemble heterosexual males of the same socio-economic group in all aspects. In fact, sexuality itself is a complicated matter. Sexual attraction isn't a binary scale and the process of attraction is a complex one. One can be attracted to a certain set of conditions including behavior, appearance, manners,etc. with all the aesthetic and psychological aspects involved. Attraction doesn't only involve biological gender. As a result, 'homosexuals' are not a homogenous group with homogenous behavior and attraction criteria.

My mistake, I didn't mean it to come off as something bad. Like I said, I've got family and friends who are gay, (some do stand to the stereotype, and others not.) I just meant it really as a joke on Nazi's since if you told a Nazi he/she was gay, they'd probably yell your ear off. I meant no offense to my homosexual compadres. :thumbup1:

Rafiq
27th August 2010, 23:09
Those who scream hate against Gays and Pornography, they are the ones who are 'Gay' and watch a lot of porn. They are just too much of cowards to come out of the closet on both subjects.

NickGriffin
29th August 2010, 10:38
BNP members in the past have been outed for their secret gay lifestyles

devoration1
2nd September 2010, 03:30
Fun Fact: Homosexuality was initially decriminalized in the early RSFSR following the October Revolution, part of a string of socially progressive developments (such as abolishing misogynistic and repressive Tsarist laws, legalizing abortion, etc). However, in 1934 homosexuality was (re)criminalized as a bourgeois decadence, common among fascists (it was believed working class men and women could not be homosexuals in some circles).

Kayser_Soso
2nd September 2010, 08:16
Fun Fact: Homosexuality was initially decriminalized in the early RSFSR following the October Revolution, part of a string of socially progressive developments (such as abolishing misogynistic and repressive Tsarist laws, legalizing abortion, etc). However, in 1934 homosexuality was (re)criminalized as a bourgeois decadence, common among fascists (it was believed working class men and women could not be homosexuals in some circles).

Fascists wore pants, Communists war pants- ERGO THEY WERE THE SAME!!!



FAIL.

People didn't know what we know now about homosexuality back then. Because in those days(and long after), it was generally rich people whose social influence allowed them to to drift out of the closet, some people might have naturally though incorrectly associated being gay with bourgeois decadence. Homosexuality and affluence still have an association in some people's minds even today. What a difference many decades and scientific research makes.

progressive_lefty
2nd September 2010, 08:21
There were a lot of people that said Eugène Terre'Blanche was gay. A quick search on google presents with a number of different sexual assault allegations.

Kayser_Soso
2nd September 2010, 11:50
There were a lot of people that said Eugène Terre'Blanche was gay. A quick search on google presents with a number of different sexual assault allegations.

Ditto with American rightist Richard Barrett. The fucked up thing is that his assailant(who oddly enough also happens to be black) is using that "gay panic" defense. I never heard of that until this murder, and I can't believe that defendants actually try this and sometimes get off for it.

I mean there's homophobia but who the hell goes into a blind homocidal rage just because the perceive that a gay person might be attracted to them?

Queercommie Girl
2nd September 2010, 14:18
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this, was: Is it really that surprising? Then I thought, not it's not because just look at them. You know Nazi's have to be Gay, the way they upkeep their appearance, dress, etc.


What's wrong with men, gay or not, showing some supposedly "feminine" traits anyway? Are you suggesting that "masculinity" is somehow inherently superior to "femininity" in a fundamental sense? That itself is a patriarchal idea.

Of course, what is considered to be "masculine" and "feminine" is rather fluidic and change with time and place, but the very fact that socially it is more acceptable for women to act "manly" than the other way around is already a manifestation of gender inequality at a fundamental level. In the matriarchal primitive communist era, since traits associated with both genders were considered to be of equal worth, gender expression was often more fluidic anyway.

Queercommie Girl
2nd September 2010, 14:20
I know you don't mean it like that but please be carefull with generalizing statements like that. While there is certainly a certain homosexual subculture adhering to all the limp-wristed stereotypes, homosexuality doesn't intrinsically come with the male/female behavior inversion, 'sissie' image. There are plenty of highly masculine homosexuals and lots of homosexuals who don't care about appearance of behavior at all and resemble heterosexual males of the same socio-economic group in all aspects. In fact, sexuality itself is a complicated matter. Sexual attraction isn't a binary scale and the process of attraction is a complex one. One can be attracted to a certain set of conditions including behavior, appearance, manners,etc. with all the aesthetic and psychological aspects involved. Attraction doesn't only involve biological gender. As a result, 'homosexuals' are not a homogenous group with homogenous behavior and attraction criteria.

An interesting discussion regarding this subject can be found here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/homosexuality-t125757/index.html) in one of those rare serious revleft topics :p

Frankly I think there is nothing wrong with gay people who are supposedly more "feminine" anyway, so there is absolutely no need to apologise for homosexuality on the grounds that gays are "just as masculine" as straight men.

A.J.
2nd September 2010, 14:59
Those who scream hate against Gays and Pornography, they are the ones who are 'Gay' and watch a lot of porn. They are just too much of cowards to come out of the closet on both subjects.

^ aint that the truth!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CsaOPxX7j-0f7M:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/zanzibarchutney/Mosleyiscoming.jpg&t=1

:laugh:

Kayser_Soso
2nd September 2010, 15:03
^ aint that the truth!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:CsaOPxX7j-0f7M:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/zanzibarchutney/Mosleyiscoming.jpg&t=1

:laugh:


Ok there must be a backstory to this I don't know.