Spiritual Communism

[Rotenstern]

I recently joined this site and then went on vacation, now there is a bar at the top of my page screaming at me to post. So, I shall now relent and post. Of course, my first topic of posting should have meaning and value, otherwise it's not worth posting. What could be better than a discussion of my personal Communist slant?

I introduced myself as a Spiritual Communist, and I remain so. Because so many people on this board seem to lack religious belief or even confront the well-known evils and illogic of institutional religion, I must say: I am not religious.

In my studies of neurobiology, I've found that many things cannot be answered even by science. Of course, we can track and discover which chemicals do what and when and how they do that when certain stimuli, be they intrinsic or extrinsic, are applied. However, no biology, no science will ever be able to fully explain the human mind even if we can observe its magnificent effects. this leads me to believe that there is a common human spirit that unites our species, or the We-feeling, as doctor Fritz Künkel describes it. It is both nature and nurture, a whole as opposed to a separated dichotomy. I have observed the effect of this We-feeling in many situations, unfortunately all anecdotal, as they shall always remain, I fear, where a common feeling of unity has led to better functioning of micro-societies. In short, this feeling promotes, builds, and holds together the small communities.

It is this spirit, this feeling of the utter unity of humanity with all things and my observation of its presence in community that leads me to believe that the feeling, the common spirit, is indeed good. And, often in these communities which share the We-feeling, a real communism can be found. Because I believe this We-feeling and the common human spirit exist and I have seen their direct effects as being the formations of communism, my only assumption can be that Communism is a result of the common human spirit and therefore something to strive for.

Now, I would like to know what all you folks think about this view of communism, whether it totally bowls over all standing theory, or, more likely, is simply one of my phases as a university student. I am eager to find out what people think of such an approach to communism and what they might suggest in clarifying it or modifying it to reflect better understanding. Thanks,
-Rotenstern

[RED DAVE]

It's a phase. :D

RED DAVE

[Rotenstern]

Perhaps it is a phase, but I believe this underlying reason for being a communist needn't change much of the logic behind communist theory. The separation between classes remains, but the two classes are divided by their abilities to take part in We-experiences. Hence, the rich and powerful are so separated from others because of their wealth and greed that they cannot share this feeling and in order for communism to win the day, those who cannot join in the natural communal feeling of humans must be prevented from controlling economy.

Perhaps my name for my belief is misleading. It is more of a psychological reasoning for why Communism is superior, biologically and psychologically. It reinforces the economics we already know to be true.

[RED DAVE]

Comrade, my first and last advice to you: get over yourself. You have neither, at this point in your life, the experience of the tools to evaluate your own experiences and fit them into the historical context of being a communist, socialist, anarchist, etc.

Read some good books on the active, physical experience of being a leftist. Then get active.

Get out of your head; it's dangerous territory.

RED DAVE

[Blackscare]

nvm

[Across The Street]

Rotenstern: "It is this spirit, this feeling of the utter unity of humanity with all things and my observation of its presence in community that leads me to believe that the feeling, the common spirit, is indeed good."

If we as human beings were unable to connect with each other in a good, meaningful way, life would not be worth living. I don't consider myself religious either, though I don't think faith is something to be dealt with in a trivial manner. Way too many people seem to be obsessed with individual rights and matters of privacy when in fact there is a unifying force which binds all of the solar systems, galaxies, planets, and communities together. The action of one person can lead to irreversible effects for the universe.
If I'm taking your meaning of the word anecdotal properly, the sort of experience you describe is hard to define, yet most of us experience it daily.
I don't shy away from the word God either, the force we have named that created everything and which science will never be able to define. I guess I feel my thoughts are along the same parameters as yours in that there cannot be an honest communism without the acknowledgment of this unifying force, and this is indeed from whence it came. BTW, i consider myself an anarchist so it might sound strange coming from me, but I don't believe the truth is exclusively the domain of either the true christian nor the atheist communist.

[Volcanicity]

If everyone on the left was a spiritual communist then a revolution would be impossible.this way of thinking is just hippy loveshit bollocks

[Raúl Duke]

It is this spirit, this feeling of the utter unity of humanity with all things and my observation of its presence in community that leads me to believe that the feeling, the common spirit, is indeed good. And, often in these communities which share the We-feeling

I only get this, or more like something like this, feeling when I'm very high and in a good set-setting or sometimes when I reminisce.

[mikelepore]

However, no biology, no science will ever be able to fully explain the human mind even if we can observe its magnificent effects.

Not ever? How could you know that?

[Optiow]

Maybe it is true, maybe it isn't.

But from what I know, I think that all that spiritual talk is just crap. People talk about how we have common bonds together and all that, but we don't. The rich businessmen are not blinded by greed which is why they're not communist. They are just blinded by greed because they are not good people. You sound like you are saying communism is our roots and all that, but I don't think it is true. For if it were, the spiritual communists would have already liberated the world.

I think you should just dispense with spiritual ideas.

[Across The Street]

I didn't take that he meant communism comes from humanity's roots, but rather the ideas and realities of communism have come from a collective experience which he believes is inherently good, and I don't necessarily disagree.

[Qayin]

My drifter friend is a "spiritual communist"

more power to you.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I recently joined this site and then went on vacation, now there is a bar at the top of my page screaming at me to post. So, I shall now relent and post. Of course, my first topic of posting should have meaning and value, otherwise it's not worth posting. What could be better than a discussion of my personal Communist slant?

I introduced myself as a Spiritual Communist, and I remain so. Because so many people on this board seem to lack religious belief or even confront the well-known evils and illogic of institutional religion, I must say: I am not religious.

In my studies of neurobiology, I've found that many things cannot be answered even by science. Of course, we can track and discover which chemicals do what and when and how they do that when certain stimuli, be they intrinsic or extrinsic, are applied. However, no biology, no science will ever be able to fully explain the human mind even if we can observe its magnificent effects.

If human consciousnes is an emergent property of the brain, which by all indications from biology and physics it truely and solely is, then there is absolutely no reason why we cannot unravel the workings of the human mind using science.


this leads me to believe that there is a common human spirit that unites our species, or the We-feeling, as doctor Fritz Künkel describes it. It is both nature and nurture, a whole as opposed to a separated dichotomy. I have observed the effect of this We-feeling in many situations, unfortunately all anecdotal, as they shall always remain, I fear, where a common feeling of unity has led to better functioning of micro-societies. In short, this feeling promotes, builds, and holds together the small communities.

It is true that our mental architecture evolved to cope with small roving bands rather than a global civilisation, but that doesn't mean that bunches of small communities as most people envision them are the optimum solution. Of course, the "small commnunities" angle also ignores the various pressures that have been operating to make humans better at doing civilisation.


It is this spirit, this feeling of the utter unity of humanity with all things and my observation of its presence in community that leads me to believe that the feeling, the common spirit, is indeed good. And, often in these communities which share the We-feeling, a real communism can be found. Because I believe this We-feeling and the common human spirit exist and I have seen their direct effects as being the formations of communism, my only assumption can be that Communism is a result of the common human spirit and therefore something to strive for.

I think you're confusing communism and communalism. I also feel that your hypothesis of small communities feeling connected with a greater humanity does not stand up to scrutiny. Just because humans feel comfortable and connected in small groups does not mean they wouldn't tear the face off someone from a different group given the right provocation. Such tribalism is part of our evolutionary heritage, but such drives can be overruled by one's reason or diverted through more benevolent channels.

The problem as I see it is, is that forming a whole bunch of happy-clappy little communities will only serve to reinforce our atavisms, not soothe them. Remember that although we may have started out that way, it was not in retrospect a stable situation.


Now, I would like to know what all you folks think about this view of communism, whether it totally bowls over all standing theory, or, more likely, is simply one of my phases as a university student. I am eager to find out what people think of such an approach to communism and what they might suggest in clarifying it or modifying it to reflect better understanding. Thanks,
-Rotenstern

I don't think it's a productive approach. I think you would be better off reading up on such fields as sociology, psychology, neuroscience etc. You can define your own goals (such as a classless society), but you can't always use your preferred means to achieve them.

[black magick hustla]

When I see this society I see buildings, institutions, images, and hard and cold mechanisms, I see no magic, no spirit, nothing, just historicalou law enacted against me and my friends. and you know what, it makes me fucking angry