What's the deal with Stalinists and anime?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Seriously.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

They can't get real partners, so cartoon ones will have to do.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I know several anarchists who are into anime/manga. Trots have Joe Sacco.

[this is an invasion]

Lots of nerds and weirdos that fetishize the key role the USSR played in obtaining victory for the Allies during WW2.

[bailey_187]

i only ever seen this on the internet...... most stalinists i met IRL are too old for it

dont worry though, im making stalinism cool again

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think it has something to do with complimenting their gray, barren soul-crushing ideology with something that's cute and colorful.

Oh well. It's a theory.

[synthesis]

Escapism.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

They can't get real partners, so cartoon ones will have to do.

I never was much into real people to begin with. ;D

[Mindtoaster]

Whats with the internet in general and anime

Seriously, it all sucks :bored:

[FreeFocus]

Most anime sucks, I'll admit (a lot of teeny high school romance type of bullshit), but if you think Code Geass (season 1 at least), Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Hajime no Ippo, and some others suck, I will kindly call you a buffoon.

[scarletghoul]

Anime is good and Stalin is good and we have good taste. It is very simple.

[Nachie]

Anime is good and Stalin is good and we have good taste. It is very simple.

please rephrase this as a vigorous Marxist materialist class analysis

[scarletghoul]

I think it has something to do with complimenting their gray, barren soul-crushing ideology with something that's cute and colorful.
http://rainbowstalin5.ytmnd.com/

[scarletghoul]

please rephrase this as a vigorous Marxist materialist class analysis
class schmass why is everyone on revleft obsessed with class im just here for the stalin

[gorillafuck]

Ban scarletghoul for posting ytmnd.

[soyonstout]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZF1SJW7JFw

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Most anime sucks, I'll admit (a lot of teeny high school romance type of bullshit), but if you think Code Geass (season 1 at least), Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Hajime no Ippo, and some others suck, I will kindly call you a buffoon.

I think they suck. NGE has to be the most overrated piece of animated rubbish ever. Death Note too.

[scarletghoul]

Fuck off, Evangelion is the best. You don't know shit motherfuckler.

[Chimurenga.]

I have a soft spot for Cowboy Bebop. Other than that, not a big fan.

[Qayin]

I never was much into real people to begin with. ;D
Might be why you support an ideology thats executed so many.

[Invincible Summer]

Most anime sucks, I'll admit (a lot of teeny high school romance type of bullshit), but if you think Code Geass (season 1 at least), Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Hajime no Ippo, and some others suck, I will kindly call you a buffoon.

Appleseed is also badass

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Okay, as a huge anime fan who upholds Stalin but does not consider himself a Stalinist, I too have noticed that otakus- especially young male ones- seem to become easily attracted to "Stalinism", Hoxhaism, Brezhnevism, and other "hardline" forms of Marxism for one reason or another.

Why exactly, I'm not sure, but some part of me wants to say that otakus feel inadequate and socially resentful and thus want to appear "incorruptible", "tough", and "hardline" when coming into radical politics. INTERNET TOUGH GUY, you know? However, in the end, it seems a lot of them end up losing sight of the fact that Marxism-Leninism is in the end about liberation and emancipating humanity- not just suppressing counterrevolution (although that itself is important of course) or maintaining ideological purity.

It also doesn't help that there is a disconnection from reality and preoccupation with fantasy that occurs within a lot of the otaku subculture, thus also jilting their approach to the world around them.

That being said, I'm still incredibly excited about Dragon*Con and Anime Weekend Atlanta coming up in about a month!

[scarletghoul]

Please note Andrei that 'Stalinist' on RevLeft means anyone who supports successful revolutions and the use of authority against reactionaries, regardless of whether or not they identify as stalinist.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Please note Andrei that 'Stalinist' on RevLeft means anyone who supports successful revolutions and the use of authority against reactionaries, regardless of whether or not they identify as stalinist.

This is true.

However, my point still stands: I do agree that a lot of Communist otaku seem to have an odd penchant for Stalin- and this is coming from me, a Maoist history major specializing in Russian & the Soviet Union and a huge Soviet nostalgist.

[Qayin]

Please note Andrei that 'Stalinist' on RevLeft means anyone who supports successful revolutions and the use of authority against reactionaries, regardless of whether or not they identify as stalinist.


This is true.

derp

[Pretty Flaco]

I bet Stalin is watching anime in his grave. He probably thinks naruto is so beastly.

[this is an invasion]

Please note Andrei that 'Stalinist' on RevLeft means anyone who supports revolutions that simply traded the bourgeoisie for a body of bureaucrats that "represented" workers and did little to nothing to change the actual conditions of the working class, regardless of whether or not they identify as stalinist.
:thumbup1:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

:thumbup1:

Shut up, RAANite. You're all stupid trolls.

[scarletghoul]

:lol:

[FreeFocus]

Appleseed is also badass

I never watched it, although it looks like it could be good from what I just saw on wikipedia lol

[mollymae]

Might be why you support an ideology thats executed so many.

oooooh, S/HE WENT THERE.

[this is an invasion]

Shut up, RAANite. You're all stupid trolls.
:thumbup1:

Actually word on the street is that all the cool kids from RevLeft now post on the RAAN forums. :cool:

[Wanted Man]

Lately we've been doing a revlefter rehabilitation program and trying to get some of the cooler people from that site to come hang out over here. There have been four or five people who've registered for accounts but none of them have actually started posting so I'd say we haven't had any success yet. Revleft still manages to draw in a lot of idealistic folks who want there to be some sort of grand anti-capitalist movement that is homogenous in the street but heterogeneous in subjective experiences and views, so it's important to be able to find those folks on there. Actually, I don't know of any other website that serves as a better conduit for potentially radical homies.

That's actually pretty cute. Are you sure you don't watch anime?

[Raúl Duke]

anime otakus and stalinism...

what

[this is an invasion]

That's actually pretty cute. Are you sure you don't watch anime?

Is American Dad! considered anime?

[Wanted Man]

If you want it to be.

Anyway, it looks like all the cool kids really do go there. Alpha Kappa, What Would Durruti Do, AMKwhatshisname... Sounds like bags of fun, and they are totally not there to ask you for help to "troll this asshole on Revleft". Explosive Situation may be the exception. He's the only one who doesn't give off the impression that he is 15 and his life consists of collecting Dragonball Z action figures.

[this is an invasion]

If you want it to be.

Anyway, it looks like all the cool kids really do go there. Alpha Kappa, What Would Durruti Do... Sounds like bags of fun, and they are totally not there to ask you for help to "troll this asshole on Revleft". Explosive Situation may be the exception. He's the only one who doesn't give off the impression that he is 15 and his life consists of collecting Dragonball Z action figures.

:thumbup1:

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

If you want it to be.

Anyway, it looks like all the cool kids really do go there. Alpha Kappa, What Would Durruti Do, AMKwhatshisname... Sounds like bags of fun, and they are totally not there to ask you for help to "troll this asshole on Revleft". Explosive Situation may be the exception. He's the only one who doesn't give off the impression that he is 15 and his life consists of collecting Dragonball Z action figures.

Great Wanted Man, now I feel terrible about the fact that I have 5 anime figurines on my desk. That doesn't count my huge CLAMP xxxHolic wall scroll next to my 1st 5-Year Plan propaganda poster and my Tengen Toppen Gurann Lagann poster underneath my "Advance Along the Path Charted by Mao Tse-Tung!" poster. And.... and... OH GOD WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE

[Wanted Man]

Great Wanted Man, now I feel terrible about the fact that I have 5 anime figurines on my desk. That doesn't count my huge CLAMP xxxHolic wall scroll next to my 1st 5-Year Plan propaganda poster and my Tengen Toppen Gurann Lagann poster underneath my "Advance Along the Path Charted by Mao Tse-Tung!" poster. And.... and... OH GOD WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE

Naw, you're cool.

[synthesis]

Might be why you support an ideology thats executed so many.
It probably has more to do with the fact that they live in a fantasy world.

Just a thought.

[Wanted Man]

Might be why you support an ideology thats executed so many.

Ideologies don't kill people; guns kill people.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Excel Saga is some crazy shit.

[Chambered Word]

Shut up, RAANite. You're all stupid trolls.

shut up just because I've kicked over more parking meters than you fuckin stalinist shithead shitfuck

[AK]

Great Wanted Man, now I feel terrible about the fact that I have 5 anime figurines on my desk. That doesn't count my huge CLAMP xxxHolic wall scroll next to my 1st 5-Year Plan propaganda poster and my Tengen Toppen Gurann Lagann poster underneath my "Advance Along the Path Charted by Mao Tse-Tung!" poster. And.... and... OH GOD WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE
That's actually really sad.

[AK]

If you want it to be.

Anyway, it looks like all the cool kids really do go there. Alpha Kappa, What Would Durruti Do, AMKwhatshisname... Sounds like bags of fun, and they are totally not there to ask you for help to "troll this asshole on Revleft". Explosive Situation may be the exception. He's the only one who doesn't give off the impression that he is 15 and his life consists of collecting Dragonball Z action figures.
Aww diddums.

[Il Medico]

It is simple ES, to venerate their glorious leader Hugs.


Speaking of which, when the hell is he gonna come back, Andrei is back, now where the hell is hugs!

[Sasha]

its simple; kids who watch too much anime are more likely to base their politics on playing too much redalert.

we are just witnessing an new asspect of the old tankies

[Wanted Man]

its simple; kids who watch too much anime are more likely to base their politics on playing too much redalert.

we are just witnessing an new asspect of the old tankies

What did the old ones do without RA and anime?

[Sasha]

collect worldwar 2 books, old sovjet medals and flags and playing ww2 boardgames

[Wanted Man]

What about the 1991-1996 period, with neither the USSR nor Red Alert around?

Also, which one do you think had the most profound impact? The first one, where you get to strafe anti-Stalinist civilians (zomg kulaks class enemies) or the second one, where you have to invade the US and destroy the Statue of Liberty (imperialists!!11)?

[Bright Banana Beard]

I'll bite. I like anime not so much, but I do not have any of their collections, posters, figures or any else including DVD collections. I only have one shirt from Death Note but I bought it because it was cheap ($5) and my shirt was dirty so I switched it. I don't even finish watching many of them simple because it has boring cliches and emotional plot worn me out and made me go to sleep, however, I am more into Japanese models, actress, and dramas. The AmeriKKKan propaganda is boring and if it thinks it can get into mind of Stalinists' brain, the world simple explodes under many nuclear warheads. I don't play Red Alert series, but Call of Duty 1 & 2.

What the connection between Stalinists and animes? Their contradiction of cuteness. Stalinists simple like to confuse others of what they like to do.

[Raúl Duke]

its simple; kids who watch too much anime are more likely to base their politics on playing too much redalert.

we are just witnessing an new asspect of the old tankies

lol

[bailey_187]

wow, i always though this was just a stereotype, but it looks like its true, atleast for stalinists online

[Hoggy_RS]

Anime is terrifyingly creepy. A bit like stalinists!:lol:

[Qayin]

Anyway, it looks like all the cool kids really do go there. Alpha Kappa, What Would Durruti Do, AMKwhatshisname... Sounds like bags of fun, and they are totally not there to ask you for help to "troll this asshole on Revleft". Explosive Situation may be the exception. He's the only one who doesn't give off the impression that he is 15 and his life consists of collecting Dragonball Z action figures.

Whoa sorry bad ass dont kick my ass.


Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop are cool.

[this is an invasion]

shut up just because I've kicked over more parking meters than you fuckin stalinist shithead shitfuck

I haven't actually kicked over any parking meters. Round these parts they are cemented into the ground, which would make kicking them over very hard indeed.

[Qayin]

I haven't actually kicked over any parking meters. Round these parts they are cemented into the ground, which would make kicking them over very hard indeed.
Become an Anarcho-Rambo

[Os Cangaceiros]

I thought that RAAN's modus operandi was to glue parking meters.

[Pavlov's House Party]

Trots only watch King of the Hill.

[Pavlov's House Party]

its simple; kids who watch too much anime are more likely to base their politics on playing too much redalert.

we are just witnessing an new asspect of the old tankies

it's probably got more to do with being "counterculture" or something, when some kid will say they're a stalinist (anarchist too, mind you) for shock value and obsesses over anime because its not the cultural norm in the west. they kind of overlap i guess.

[Sasha]

it's probably got more to do with being "counterculture" or something, when some kid will say they're a stalinist (anarchist too, mind you) for shock value and obsesses over anime because its not the cultural norm in the west. they kind of overlap i guess.

while i'll admit that most anarkiddies and tankies are some form of social dropouts there is an distinct difrence, most anarkiddies start out as punks (like me), queers, skaterkids etc etc (to use your words; "counterculture" ie people with their own scene and so a form of "social" outcasts) while with the stalinoids there seem to be an way higher amount (note i say higher, not all) of nerds (not the cool self assured nerds who hack an mainframe but the akward i wish i was an superhero kind, call it "anti-social" outcasts).

wich explains a lot if you think it through imho

[Pavlov's House Party]

while i'll admit that most anarkiddies and tankies are some form of social dropouts there is an distinct difrence, most anarkiddies start out as punks (like me), queers, skaterkids etc etc (to use your words; "counterculture" ie people with their own scene and so a form of "social" outcasts) while with the stalinoids there seem to be an way higher amount (note i say higher, not all) of nerds (not the cool self assured nerds who hack an mainframe but the akward i wish i was an superhero kind, call it "anti-social" outcasts).

wich explains a lot if you think it through imho

some kind of strange nerdish escapism between bright colours, japanese schoolgirls and awful pop-music and NKVD deathsquads, bleak apartment blocks and russian choir music

[Wanted Man]

while i'll admit that most anarkiddies and tankies are some form of social dropouts there is an distinct difrence, most anarkiddies start out as punks (like me), queers, skaterkids etc etc (to use your words; "counterculture" ie people with their own scene and so a form of "social" outcasts) while with the stalinoids there seem to be an way higher amount (note i say higher, not all) of nerds (not the cool self assured nerds who hack an mainframe but the akward i wish i was an superhero kind, call it "anti-social" outcasts).

wich explains a lot if you think it through imho

You know them all personally? Or can you tell from posts on Revleft? Okay, to be fair, you can tell from Revleft posts, but then all the kiddies become a kind of blur. It's all NERD RAAAAAGE and teen angst with everybody, regardless of ideology.

[Os Cangaceiros]

That's why I love Revleft. I'm all about the nerd rage.

(Although I don't think that I'd classify anyone from this site that I've met in RL as a "nerd", actually.)

[NecroCommie]

This is all very fun and all, but if I sought shock value I would not be a member of the overtly hippie let's make love not war while talking deep stuff-finnish communist youth. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome but the organization has absolutely zero shock value besides the occasional "Lenin was OK"-comment.

And what exactly is a nerd? People seem to use it to describe just about any western kid outside the mainstream norms. Am I the first to admit? Yes! I am an introvert, spend an awful lot of time on the computer, LARP occasionally and read fantasy books! Seeing that I am still the popular kid I can't feel that I've done anything wrong.

[Wanted Man]

(Although I don't think that I'd classify anyone from this site that I've met in RL as a "nerd", actually.)

That actually seems like a fairer way of putting it. After all, one does need some kind of social feeling and empathy to become leftist. Usually, the ones who are all about the HAAAAATE (or simply about looking down at the dumb, right-wing plebs) either become more social from being active, or they drop out and find something else to hate (foreigners?).

Anyway, it's more convenient to suggest that the people you're arguing against are all nerds. How are they going to prove they're not nerds? It's very commonly played on the internet, but apparently people still find it effective. Of course, then you have to wonder about the person who says that shit. They seem to have it all figured out in life, so why are they constantly on forums to remind everyone of this?

It also looks like I've already done it twice in this thread. I'll leave you all to think about the implications of this while I go and watch Star T-- err, get laid.

[Glenn Beck]

You kids going on about them Chinese cartoons again?

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

while i'll admit that most anarkiddies and tankies are some form of social dropouts there is an distinct difrence, most anarkiddies start out as punks (like me), queers, skaterkids etc etc (to use your words; "counterculture" ie people with their own scene and so a form of "social" outcasts) while with the stalinoids there seem to be an way higher amount (note i say higher, not all) of nerds (not the cool self assured nerds who hack an mainframe but the akward i wish i was an superhero kind, call it "anti-social" outcasts).

wich explains a lot if you think it through imho

Like I said earlier, socially-awkward and resentful nerds who want to appear "tough", so they go for the most socially shocking and "hardline" of ideologies (I've noticed a lot of otaku will tend toward Brezhnevism as well as "Stalinism").

BTW It's funny because Hugs hates me now for really stupid petty reasons, as well as just because I'm a "ultra-liberal Maoist".

[scarletghoul]

Hugs is a bit lame tbh, like most Hoxhaists.

Often the 'stalinist' stereotypes on the internets are especially true of Hoxhaists, as Hoxhaism only exists on the internet and the whole point of it is to be super-stalinist, rather than having some relation to the class struggle.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Hugs is a bit lame tbh, like most Hoxhaists.

Often the 'stalinist' stereotypes on the internets are especially true of Hoxhaists, as Hoxhaism only exists on the internet and the whole point of it is to be super-stalinist, rather than having some relation to the class struggle.

There are some smart Hoxhaists out there, with their hearts in the right place. I have a cousin in Sweden who is influence by Hoxha (though he doesn't consider himself one) and he's a genuinely good guy. Also there are good parties out there like the MLKP in Turkey and the MLCP-Ecuador who I respect even if I don't like their line.

Hugs just seems resentful towards the fact that I actually have a social life, have success with women, and actually can have fun and get buck wild inside and outside of the otaku subculture.

[Il Medico]

Hugs is a bit lame tbh, like most Hoxhaists.

Hugs is a Hoxhaist now? lmao.:lol:

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Yeah, he joined the Hoxhaist Internet Roleplaying Socie- I mean the American Party of Labour. And he asked for himself to be banned from RevLeft, which is now a "rotten den of liberalism". Also, I'm an ultra-liberal Maoist, according to the last conversation he and I had where he went berserk on me.

It only proves my point further.

[Il Medico]

Yeah, he joined the Hoxhaist Internet Roleplaying Socie- I mean the American Party of Labour. And he asked for himself to be banned from RevLeft, which is now a "rotten den of liberalism". Also, I'm an ultra-liberal Maoist, according to the last conversation he and I had where he went berserk on me.

It only proves my point further.
Oh dear. Poor Hugs. I can only imagine what he would call me now if he thinks Maoism is 'liberal'.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Yeah, he really went off the handle on me, and I was all like:
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/ee/Lol_u_mad.jpg

[NecroCommie]

Tell hugs that he is forbidden from doing anything besides posting anime gifs. That "anything" includes getting mad.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Tell hugs that he is forbidden from doing anything besides posting anime gifs. That "anything" includes getting mad.

If he talked to me, I would tell him that. But oh well. I guess I have to carry the torch.

[gorillafuck]

Yeah, he joined the Hoxhaist Internet Roleplaying Socie- I mean the American Party of Labour. And he asked for himself to be banned from RevLeft, which is now a "rotten den of liberalism". Also, I'm an ultra-liberal Maoist, according to the last conversation he and I had where he went berserk on me.

It only proves my point further.
You have a link to on organization that defends the tienanmen square incident in your sig so I will safely say that anyone who calls you a liberal has their head totally up their ass (this is chit chat so I will not get all up in your grill about politics).

[soyonstout]

Please note Andrei that 'Stalinist' on RevLeft means anyone who supports successful revolutions and the use of authority against reactionaries, regardless of whether or not they identify as stalinist.
I disagree. A lot of this hinges on your definition of "successful revolutions" and "reactionaries."

[AK]

(Although I don't think that I'd classify anyone from this site that I've met in RL as a "nerd", actually.)
The majority of Revlefters are too stupid to qualify for nerd status.

[AK]

I disagree. A lot of this hinges on your definition of "successful revolutions" and "reactionaries."
if you could thank in chit-chat...

[Pavlov's House Party]

Hoxhaism only exists on the internet and the whole point of it is to be super-stalinist, rather than having some relation to the class struggle.

This is what I've always thought. I've never met a single activist who called themselves "Hoxhaist" IRL, and even asked Communist Party of Canada and Communist Party of Quebec (ML) members and they either didn't know who the fuck Hoxha was or just said something along the lines of "oh, that Albanian dude."

I assume someone on revleft read about Hoxha one day and started calling themselves that, and it's spiraled into some thing where stalin-kiddies come on revleft and believe it's actually some massive worker's movement because Hoxhaists on the website call any Stalinist party "Hoxhaist". Kind of like how Mormons baptise dead people.

[gorillafuck]

Nah, there have been parties in the past that callled themselves Hoxhaist after the Sino-Albanian split and Hoxha started calling Mao a revisionist.

[Mindtoaster]

The majority of Revlefters are too stupid to qualify for nerd status.

nerd =/= intelligent

nerd = dorky basement-dweller

[Os Cangaceiros]

The majority of Revlefters are too stupid to qualify for nerd status.

I wouldn't classify the handful of folks that I've met from RL as "stupid", either. I've actually been pretty impressed with the caliber of people from this site who I've actually met in person, which stands in stark contrast to my impression of this board as a whole, which often makes me wish fervently for the systematic destruction of mankind.

[Il Medico]

which stands in stark contrast to my impression of this board as a whole, which often makes me wish fervently for the systematic destruction of mankind.
So Revleft inspires the same feelings in you that youtube comments do in me, eh?

[AK]

I wouldn't classify the handful of folks that I've met from RL as "stupid", either. I've actually been pretty impressed with the caliber of people from this site who I've actually met in person, which stands in stark contrast to my impression of this board as a whole, which often makes me wish fervently for the systematic destruction of mankind.
It was just an affectionate dig at Revleft :)

[black magick hustla]

You kids going on about them Chinese cartoons again?

i loled so hard

[black magick hustla]

for the record i am a very cool nerd ask doctor or soyonstout i tell stories about flat earth, reptoids and talk diatriabes of quasi bordigist antidemocratic rhetoric

[black magick hustla]

for the record i dont think some of the stalinistss here are representative of real life. no stalinist calls himself an authoritarian socialist unless their political understanding amounts to forum flame wars and red alert

[Pavlov's House Party]

for the record i dont think some of the stalinistss here are representative of real life. no stalinist calls himself an authoritarian socialist unless their political understanding amounts to forum flame wars and red alert

i think revleft just gives you a terrible cross-section of the worst kinds of people from every tendancy that you'd never actually meet in real life.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

for the record i dont think some of the stalinistss here are representative of real life. no stalinist calls himself an authoritarian socialist unless their political understanding amounts to forum flame wars and red alert

It's more a appropriation of slanderous external labels than anything else, sir. Well, it's reasonably accurate if extremely vague.

[Il Medico]

for the record i am a very cool nerd ask doctor or soyonstout i tell stories about flat earth, reptoids and talk diatriabes of quasi bordigist antidemocratic rhetoric
I'd call you more of a geek. But meh.

[Cheung Mo]

It's a coincidence dude...I know people of all political stripes, or of none in particular, who are into anime. Oddly enough, I LOVE JRPGs but have only a passing interest in anime.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

for the record i dont think some of the stalinistss here are representative of real life. no stalinist calls himself an authoritarian socialist unless their political understanding amounts to forum flame wars and red alert

Awesome. And true!

[Ireland-lover]

What's the deal with stalinists, period

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

What's the deal with stalinists, period

You can't be Irish, as you'd use full-stop rather than period.

[NecroCommie]

i think revleft just gives you a terrible cross-section of the worst kinds of people from every tendancy that you'd never actually meet in real life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbyCDA5qYs&feature=related

[Obs]

You can't be Irish, as you'd use full-stop rather than period.
He's a victim of cultural imperialism, dawg