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danyboy27
28th July 2010, 13:45
i dont know if its a hoax, but i found it on several websites.

Predictions For The Rest Of 2010



Bob Chapman
First 6 months of 2010, Americans will continue to live in the 'unreality'…the period between July and October is when the financial fireworks will begin. The Fed will act unilaterally for its own survival irrespective of any political implications …(source is from insider at FED meetings). In the last quarter of the year we could even see Martial law, which is more likely for the first 6 months of 2011. The FDIC will collapse in September 2010. Commercial real estate is set to implode in 2010. Wall Street believes there is a 100% chance of crash in bond market, especially municipals sometime during 2010. The dollar will be devalued by the end of 2010.
Gerald Celente
Terrorist attacks and the "Crash of 2010". 40% devaluation at first = the greatest depression, worse than the Great Depression.
Igor Panarin
In the summer of 1998, based on classified data about the state of the U.S. economy and society supplied to him by fellow FAPSI analysts, Panarin forecast the probable disintegration of the USA into six parts in 2010 (at the end of June – start of July 2010, as he specified on 10 December 2000
Neithercorps
Have projected that the third and final stage of the economic collapse will begin sometime in 2010. Barring some kind of financial miracle, or the complete dissolution of the Federal Reserve, a snowballing implosion should become visible by the end of this year. The behavior of the Fed, along with that of the IMF seems to suggest that they are preparing for a focused collapse, peaking within weeks or months instead of years, and the most certain fall of the dollar.
Webbots
July and onward things get very strange. Revolution. Dollar dead by November 2010.
LEAP 20/20
2010 Outlook from a group of 25 European Economists with a 90% accuracy rating- We anticipate a sudden intensification of the crisis in the second half of 2010, caused by a double effect of a catching up of events which were temporarily « frozen » in the second half of 2009 and the impossibility of maintaining the palliative remedies of past years. There is a perfect (economic) storm coming within the global financial markets and inevitable pressure on interest rates in the U.S. The injection of zero-cost money into the Western banking system has failed to restart the economy. Despite zero-cost money, the system has stalled. It is slowly rolling over into the next big down wave, which in Elliott Wave terminology will be Super Cycle Wave Three, or in common language, "THE BIG ONE, WHERE WE ALL GO OVER THE FALLS TOGETHER."
Joseph Meyer
Forecasts on the economy. He sees the real estate market continuing to decline, and advised people to invest in precious metals and commodities, as well as keeping cash at home in a safe place in case of bank closures. The stock market, after peaking in March or April (around 10,850), will fall all the way down to somewhere between 2450 and 4125 during the next leg down.
Harry Dent (investor)
A very likely second crash by late 2010. The coming depression (starts around the summer of 2010). Dent sees the stock market–currently benefiting from upward momentum and peppier economic activity–headed for a very brief and pleasant run that could lift the Dow to the 10,700-11,500 range from its current level of about 10.090. But then, he sees the market running into a stone wall, which will be followed by a nasty stock market decline (starting in early March to late April) that could drive down the Dow later this year to 3,000-5,000, with his best guess about 3,800.
Richard Russell (Market Expert)
(from 2/3/10) says the bear market rally is in the process of breaking up and panic is on the way. He sees a full correction of the entire rise from the 2002 low of 7,286 to the bull market high of 14,164.53 set on October 9, 2007. The halfway level of retracement was 10,725. The total retracement was to 6,547.05 on March 9, 2009. He now sees the Dow falling to 7,286 and if that level does not hold, “I see it sinking to its 1980-82 area low of Dow 1,000.” The current action is the worst he has ever seen. (Bob Chapman says for Russell to make such a startling statement is unusual because he never cries wolf and is almost never wrong)
Niño Becerra (Professor of Economics)
Predicted in July 2007 that what was going to happen was that by mid 2010 there is going to be a crisis only comparable to the one in 1929. From October 2009 to May 2010 people will begin to see things are not working out the way the government thought. In May of 2010, the crisis starts with all its force and continues and strengthens throughout 2011. He accurately predicted the current recession and market crash to the month.
Lyndon Larouche
The crisis is accelerating and will become worse week by week until the whole system grinds into a collapse, likely sometime this year. And when it does, it will be the greatest collapse since the fall of the Roman Empire.
WALL STREET JOURNAL- (2/2010)
"You are witnessing a fundamental breakdown of the American dream, a systemic breakdown of our democracy and our capitalism, a breakdown driven by the blind insatiable greed of Wall Street: Dysfunctional government, insane markets, economy on the brink. Multiply that many times over and see a world in total disarray. Ignore it now, tomorrow will be too late."
Eric deCarbonnel
There is no precedence for the panic and chaos that will occur in 2010. The global food supply/demand picture has NEVER been so out of balance. The 2010 food crisis will rearrange economic, financial, and political order of the world, and those who aren’t prepared will suffer terrible losses…As the dollar loses most of its value, America's savings will be wiped out. The US service economy will disintegrate as consumer spending in real terms (ie: gold or other stable currencies) drops like a rock, bringing unemployment to levels exceeding the great depression. Public health services/programs will be cut back, as individuals will have no savings/credit/income to pay for medical care. Value of most investments will be wiped out. The US debt markets will freeze again, this time permanently. There will be no buyers except at the most drastic of firesale prices, and inflation will wipe away value before credit markets have any chance at recovery. The panic in 2010 will see the majority of derivatives end up worthless. Since global derivatives markets operate on the assumption of the continued stable value of the dollar and short term US debt, using derivatives to bet against the dollar is NOT a good idea. The panic in 2010 will see the majority of derivatives end up worthless. The dollar's collapse will rob US consumers of all purchasing power, and any investment depend on US consumption will lose most of its value.
Alpha-Omega Report (Trends Forecast)
Going into 2010, the trends seemed to lead nowhere or towards oblivion. Geo-politically, the Middle East was and is trending towards some sort of military clash, most likely by mid-year, but perhaps sooner…At the moment, it seems 2010 is shaping up to be a year of absolute chaos. We see trends for war between Israel and her neighbors that will shake every facet of human activity…In the event of war, we see all other societal trends being thoroughly disrupted…Iran will most likely shut off the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. This will have immense consequences for the world’s economy. Oil prices will skyrocket into the stratosphere and become so expensive that world’s economies will collapse..There are also trend indicators along economic lines that point to the potential for a total meltdown of the world’s financial system with major crisis points developing with the change of each quarter of the year. 2010 could be a meltdown year for the world’s economy, regardless of what goes on in the Middle East.
Robin Landry (Market Expert)
I believe we are headed to new market highs between 10780-11241 over the next few months. The most likely time frame for the top is the April-May area. Remember the evidence IMHO still says we are in a bear market rally with a major decline to follow once this rally ends.
John P. Hussman, Ph.D.
In my estimation, there is still close to an 80% probability (Bayes' Rule) that a second market plunge and economic downturn will unfold during 2010.
Robert Prechter
Founder of Elliott Wave International, implores retail investors stay away from the markets… for now. Prechter, who was bullish near the lows in March 2009, now says the stock market “is in a topping area, “predicting another crash in 2010 that will bring stocks below the 2009 low. His word to the wise, “be patient, don’t rush it” keep your money in cash and cash equivalents.
Richard Mogey
Current Research Director at the Foundation for the Study of Cycles- Because of a convergence of numerous cycles all at once, the stock market may go up for a little while, but will crash in 2010 and reach all-time lows late 2012. Mogey says that the 2008 crash was nothing compared to the coming crash. Gold may correct in 2009, but will go up in 2010 and peak in 2011. Silver will follow gold.
James Howard Kunstler (January 2010)
The economy as we’ve known it simply can’t go on, which James Howard Kunstler has been saying all along. The shenanigans with stimulus and bailouts will just compound the central problem with debt. There’s not much longer to go before the whole thing collapses and dies. Six Months to Live- The economy that is. Especially the part that consists of swapping paper certificates. That’s the buzz I’ve gotten the first two weeks of 2010.
Peter Schiff (3/13/2010)
"In my opinion, the market is now perfectly positioned for a massive dollar sell-off. The fundamentals for the dollar in 2010 are so much worse than they were in 2008 that it is hard to imagine a reason for people to keep buying once a modicum of political and monetary stability can be restored in Europe. In fact, the euro has recently stabilized. My gut is that the dollar sell-off will be sharp and swift. Once the dollar decisively breaks below last year's lows, many of the traders who jumped ship in the recent rally will look to re-establish their positions. This will accelerate the dollar's descent and refocus everyone's attention back on the financial train-wreck unfolding in the United States. Any doubts about the future of the U.S. dollar should be laid to rest by today's announcement that San Francisco Federal Reserve President Janet Yellen has been nominated to be Vice Chair of the Fed's Board of Governors, and thereby a voter on the interest rate-setting, seven-member Open Markets Committee. Ms. Yellen has earned a reputation for being one of the biggest inflation doves among the Fed's top players." Schiff is famous for his accurate predictions of the economic events of 2008.
Lindsey Williams
Dollar devalued 30-50% by end of year. It will become very difficult for the average American to afford to buy even food. This was revealed to him through an Illuminati insider.
Unnamed Economist working for US Gov't (GLP)
What we have experienced the last two years is nothing to what we are going to experience this year. If you have a job now…you may not have it in three to six months. (by August 2010). Stock market will fall = great depression. Foreign investors stop financing debt = collapse. 6.2 million are about to lose their unemployment.
Jimmy "Doomsday"
DOW will fall below 7,000 before mid summer 2010- Dollar will rise above 95 on the dollar index before mid summer 2010- Gold will bottom out below $800 before mid summer 2010- Silver will bottom out below $10 before mid summer 2010- CA debt implosion will start its major downturn by mid summer and hit crisis mode before Q4 2010- Dollar index will plunge below 65 between Q3 and Q4 2010- Commercial real estate will hit crisis mode in Q4 2010- Over 35 states will be bailed out by end of Q4 2010 by the US tax payer End of Q4 2010 gold will hit $1,600 and silver jump to $35 an oz.
George Ure
Markets up until mid-to-late-summer. Then "all hell breaks lose" from then on through the rest of the year.

what do you think??

Franz Fanonipants
28th July 2010, 13:55
Obama's gonna be the worst FDR impersonator ever. Wait.

Muzk
28th July 2010, 13:56
Economists are useless, unproductive fuckers sucking on the economy like all the other parasites.
We had many predictions like this before.

Lindsey Williams
Dollar devalued 30-50% by end of year. It will become very difficult for the average American to afford to buy even food. This was revealed to him through an Illuminati insider.i lol'd

manic expression
28th July 2010, 13:57
I think Obama might be doing a great Herbert Hoover impression, actually.

Franz Fanonipants
28th July 2010, 13:58
I think Obama might be doing a great Herbert Hoover impression, actually.

I can't wait for Sarah Palin's New Deal.

Red Commissar
28th July 2010, 15:03
This looks like something that people would send through one of those emails to their work place and family. I think you know what I mean.

Franz Fanonipants
28th July 2010, 15:05
This looks like something that people would send through one of those emails to their work place and family. I think you know what I mean.

stock up on the ammunition, avoid the canned beans as they tend to draw Mesicans.

theAnarch
28th July 2010, 15:46
it be funny though if all this really did happen and by the end of august the US was under a military Junta and we were all like....well dam

of course then we'd all be in jail.....and that be considerably less funny

RED DAVE
28th July 2010, 16:00
The military junta thing is bullshit. But the possibility of what is called a "double-dip" recession is extremely high. The consequences of this for the 2010 elections and after remain to be seen, especially when combined with frustration over the various US wars.

RED DAVE

RadioRaheem84
28th July 2010, 16:15
I thought it was obvious that there was going to be a double dip recession. What else can you expect from a "jobless" recovery?

But military juntas? That is right wing crap to scare people into voting against the Dems.

Red Commissar
28th July 2010, 16:32
What amuses me is this recovery is on the principles of Reaganomics/supply-side economics this country has based itself on, yet I'd imagine that the audience this email is directed to would be of the kind that claim we are in this mess because we aren't practicing that.

Charles Xavier
28th July 2010, 16:41
Do not forget some of these, including Lyndon Laroche has predicted many other economic collapses that have never happened.

The capitalists have two ways of solving the crisis, and neither of them work, one is extend more credit, such as stimulus spending and the other is austerity measures to pay back debt. Neither of them are solutions, there is a crisis of overproduction, with people being unable or not needing to purchase goods, more people are laid off in the process causing an even smaller pool of people able to afford the goods that they produce, causing even further crisis of overproduction and more lay offs. So they have a problem with both of their options, one is the stimulus money causes a huge debt problem and the austerity measures to pay back their debt means cutting wages and raising taxes on working people and somehow magically expect the economy to grow, but as the working class is the primary consumer class the capitalists are unable to get people to purchase the goods they want them to buy. There is only 2 solutions to the economic crisis, one is the people's demands, which is basically redistribute wealth so that people have money to spend, whether this be through public works programs, nationalizing companies, more funding for social program and heavy progressive taxation and ultimately socialism. Or the capitalist demand which is somewhere to dump their overproduction of goods and since they have no where to do that peacefully, it means war. The other option is to be in an economic crisis for decades until capitalism restores itself.

Kassad
28th July 2010, 16:44
As soon as I saw Lyndon LaRouche's stupid ass on there, I quit reading. One of his cronies actually got the Democratic nomination somewhere and that freaks the living fuck out of me. All we need now is Alex Jones on that list to tell us that Obama is a vampire bat and he actually eats our children so he can obtain fuel to create the New World Order.

theAnarch
28th July 2010, 17:01
I agree will see a double dip and probably a triple dip depression, remember the great depression was not one big decline.

I guess predicting economic decline now is like predicting rain during a hurricane.

bailey_187
28th July 2010, 18:39
What else can you expect from a "jobless" recovery? .

the early 2000s reccession was a jobless recovery too, so a double dip recession doesnt have to happen. Also the recovery may not be jobless, unemployment is a "lagging indicator".

Adi Shankara
28th July 2010, 21:04
avoid the canned beans as they tend to draw mesicans.

dey STEAL MAH JOB

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
28th July 2010, 21:44
I thought Asstrian economists always predict depression as soon as there's some government regulation in place anyway. Of course they're bound to be right sooner or later in all their decades of doom-saying.

Nachie
28th July 2010, 22:02
http://liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/collapse.jpg

Collapse Part 1/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37886/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_1of_6/)

Collapse Part 2/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37916/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_2of6/)

Collapse Part 3/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37920/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_3of6/)

Collapse Part 4/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37923/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_4of6/)

Collapse Part 5/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37928/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_5of6/)

Collapse Part 6/6 (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/37932/collapse_an_interview_with_michael_ruppert_6of6/)

RadioRaheem84
28th July 2010, 22:06
Is this rightist conspiracy stuff?

Nachie
28th July 2010, 22:10
I'm not a rightist conspiracy nut, so I'd have to say "no".

The guy is anti-"communist" and says that Cuba's efforts to grow food on every available plot of land was "the purest form of capitalism" (ha!) but other than that the film is quite worth watching. Michael Ruppert is the guy being interviewed if you want to look into his background. But you'll really save more time just watching the first segment and seeing what you think.

The Vegan Marxist
28th July 2010, 22:35
I would say it's not a hoax. I noticed that Gerald Celente is on that list as well. He's definitely the best trends researcher out there right now. He's correctly talked of events that were to happen because of the Capitalist destruction within America. So I wouldn't be too surprised if he comes up correct again on this analysis.

Qayin
28th July 2010, 22:57
I would say it's not a hoax. I noticed that Gerald Celente is on that list as well. He's definitely the best trends researcher out there right now. He's correctly talked of events that were to happen because of the Capitalist destruction within America. So I wouldn't be too surprised if he comes up correct again on this analysis.
So hes good as making wild guesses?

That's why hes over on Fox News spouting the end of the world :laugh: such a reliable source

RadioRaheem84
28th July 2010, 22:59
The guy is anti-"communist" and says that Cuba's efforts to grow food on every available plot of land was "the purest form of capitalism" (ha!)Oh god. I think I have had just about enough of stupid assertions that anti-capitalist collective type of enterprises are capitalist because they're "voluntary". Even if the creators of such firms are anti-capitalist, express anti-capitalist sentiments and fucking love Lenin, these delusional fucks still want to attribute their success to the innovative side of capitalism! :rolleyes:

How long is this going to go on before they start claiming the collectives during the Spanish Civil War as their own? Durrutti was a capitalist hero!

RadioRaheem84
28th July 2010, 23:03
I would say it's not a hoax. I noticed that Gerald Celente is on that list as well. He's definitely the best trends researcher out there right now. He's correctly talked of events that were to happen because of the Capitalist destruction within America. So I wouldn't be too surprised if he comes up correct again on this analysis.

Vegan, come on man! That is Alex Jones go to guy when he wants to spook people into buying gold! Celente has been on every right wing show from here to Moscow! He is ridiculous.

It's not hard to see trends if you look at the political climate, study the numbers and see what popular opinion is (mostly among the ruling elite). But to make an accurate prediction is another thing.

I think it is sort of clear that the capitalist engine has run out of steam and "innovative" ideas to shift crises around. But I wouldn't make an end of the world prediction because of it.

this is an invasion
29th July 2010, 04:11
Vegan, come on man! That is Alex Jones go to guy when he wants to spook people into buying gold! Celente has been on every right wing show from here to Moscow! He is ridiculous.

It's not hard to see trends if you look at the political climate, study the numbers and see what popular opinion is (mostly among the ruling elite). But to make an accurate prediction is another thing.

I think it is sort of clear that the capitalist engine has run out of steam and "innovative" ideas to shift crises around. But I wouldn't make an end of the world prediction because of it.
The Vegan Marxist used to be ALL up on some conspiracy theory shit. I'm not surprised he still sees weirdos like that as real people.

Nachie
29th July 2010, 04:45
Oh god. I think I have had just about enough of stupid assertions that anti-capitalist collective type of enterprises are capitalist because they're "voluntary". Even if the creators of such firms are anti-capitalist, express anti-capitalist sentiments and fucking love Lenin, these delusional fucks still want to attribute their success to the innovative side of capitalism! :rolleyes:

How long is this going to go on before they start claiming the collectives during the Spanish Civil War as their own? Durrutti was a capitalist hero!

I'm glad you get that, because I've actually been called a "petit-bourgeois environmentalist" by fools on this very site for having suggested that people should have direct control over the production of their own food, and without reliance on petrochemicals. I'm practically a primitivist! :lol:

Yazman
30th July 2010, 05:13
The Vegan Marxist used to be ALL up on some conspiracy theory shit. I'm not surprised he still sees weirdos like that as real people.

This isn't your personal blog and it isn't appropriate to talk about other users like that regardless of your opinion of them. Cut it out. This doesn't constitute an official warning, but if I see you doing this again I will come down on you. If you want to raise issues about them then post a thread in the Revleft Members' Forum.

Rusty Shackleford
30th July 2010, 06:12
Igor Panarin
In the summer of 1998, based on classified data about the state of the U.S. economy and society supplied to him by fellow FAPSI analysts, Panarin forecast the probable disintegration of the USA into six parts in 2010 (at the end of June – start of July 2010, as he specified on 10 December 2000


Hell this guy might be close with the whole states rights issue coming to the forefront again a la SB 1070. even though its a nutty prediction there is a divide between state and federal.

StoneFrog
30th July 2010, 06:15
24 disillusioned economists, nothing new there.

NGNM85
30th July 2010, 06:34
Martial Law is a bit extreme, that sounds like something from the Alex Jones set. However, another economic meltdown, or, more accurately, an additional economic meltdown to the one we're still having, is totally possible. The so-called 'reform' changed very little. "Too big to fail" has not been changed, in fact the big banks that survived got even bigger. Derivitives trading is still happening, now, with taxpayer money. Here's an interesting piece from Young Turks, apparently Vegas is collapsing. This is a portent of whats' to come.

NqsTEmbI0Zk

RadioRaheem84
30th July 2010, 22:08
This isn't your personal blog and it isn't appropriate to talk about other users like that regardless of your opinion of them. Cut it out. This doesn't constitute an official warning, but if I see you doing this again I will come down on you. If you want to raise issues about them then post a thread in the Revleft Members' Forum.


How quick you came in to denounce a member for using personal slander as an argument (which was good) but you guys have let NGN run around lying and defending torture supporter Sam Harris, claim Hillary Clinton and Tony Blair are leftist and one is a socialist and while unwanted, our ally? He has also pissed all over Marxism, called Marxist Leninists (i.e. "authoritarian communism") akin to to the far right i.e. fascists. He defends liberals more than he does socialists, from what I have read. He went into some incoherent drivel about our current capitalist society being "corporate communism". All this without even a peep from any of the mods!

He keeps getting a pass because some of the atheist members on this board agree with him a bit.

Something is fucked up.

NGNM85
31st July 2010, 03:00
How quick you came in to denounce a member for using personal slander as an argument (which was good) but you guys have let NGN run around lying and defending torture supporter Sam Harris, claim Hillary Clinton and Tony Blair are leftist and one is a socialist and while unwanted, our ally? He has also pissed all over Marxism, called Marxist Leninists (i.e. "authoritarian communism") akin to to the far right i.e. fascists. He defends liberals more than he does socialists, from what I have read. He went into some incoherent drivel about our current capitalist society being "corporate communism". All this without even a peep from any of the mods!

He keeps getting a pass because some of the atheist members on this board agree with him a bit.

Something is fucked up.

Seriously? Has you're preoccupation with me grown to such an extent that you have to start slandering me in every thread? It's also interesting that you applaud the moderator's actions, and then do exactly what he or she explicitly objected to. Also, if this is how you're characterizing what I've said you're in no position to quibble about honesty.

Back to the economy...

Crux
31st July 2010, 03:52
I would say it's not a hoax. I noticed that Gerald Celente is on that list as well. He's definitely the best trends researcher out there right now. He's correctly talked of events that were to happen because of the Capitalist destruction within America. So I wouldn't be too surprised if he comes up correct again on this analysis.
Conspiracy theories are a trap. Didn't you use to be a conspiracy theorist yourself?

RadioRaheem84
31st July 2010, 03:54
Seriously? Has you're preoccupation with me grown to such an extent that you have to start slandering me in every thread? It's also interesting that you applaud the moderator's actions, and then do exactly what he or she explicitly objected to. Also, if this is how you're characterizing what I've said you're in no position to quibble about honesty.

Back to the economy...

You did everything I said you did.

NGNM85
31st July 2010, 04:35
I have never lied on this board, however I have been lied about. Sam Harris explicitly stated that he supports the ban on torture, that it is illegal for very good reasons and should remain so. I said that Tony Blair supports socialist economic policies, and that he is a democratic socialist. I never said Hillary Clinton was necessarily an ally, I said she was a Leftist. Just because someone is the same half of the political spectrum doesn’t mean one would even want to be associated with them. For example, I doubt conservatives like Andrew Sullivan find Neo-Nazis particularly appealing. Socialism has not been under attack, and therefore does not require any defense. I also don’t defend Liberalism so much as I oppose mischaracterizations of it. Leninists/Stalinists/Maoists, etc., absolutely ARE authoritarian communists. Many (Not ALL.) of them have been and are fiercely nationalistic, rigidly opposed to freedom and individual rights, brutally authoritarian, etc., as the extreme rightists. This is part of the failing of the single-axis, that it posits Anarchism and Stalinism together. I won’t try to explain “Corporate Communism”, again. So, most of what you said is either untrue, or a gross mischaracterization.

Now, this thread was supposed to be about the economy, not me, so let’s get back to the matter at hand.

RadioRaheem84
31st July 2010, 05:03
Leninists/Stalinists/Maoists, etc., absolutely ARE authoritarian communists. Many (Not ALL.) of them have been and are fiercely nationalistic, rigidly opposed to freedom and individual rights, brutally authoritarian, etc., as the extreme rightists. This is part of the failing of the single-axis, that it posits Anarchism and Stalinism together. I won’t try to explain “Corporate Communism”, again. So, most of what you said is either untrue, or a gross mischaracterization. Leninists and Maoists are akin to fascists? So the Indian Maoists fighting the oppressive Indian State are akin to Blackshirts? The Maoists in Nepal are bastards who want to oppress the people with their authoritarianism? I am amazed that you are still on this board as you just blatantly insulted more than half of the members of this board. Oh but you covered your ass with the whole many if not all are like rightists.


I have never lied on this board, however I have been lied about. Sam Harris explicitly stated that he supports the ban on torture, that it is illegal for very good reasons and should remain so. Did you not read the links I posted which you selectively quoted from? He wrote a whole article in defense of tortue and said that one has yet come up with an adequate argument against.


Also Tony Blair is not a dem soc he is a third way proponent and a neo liberal. He was Thatcher Lite. He moved the Labour Party to the right with his New Labour platform. What the fuck is wrong with you? Not even the BBC agrees with you as I saw a whole doc made by Adam Curtis called The Trap which showed hoe he continued a lot of Thatcher's and neo liberal, pro market policies.

The Clintons are moderate rightists not leftists. Again you're totally mistaken here. Sociall issues does nor make one left, NGN. Do you not know anything about the Clintons economic policies? Stop posting your nonsense!

NGNM85
31st July 2010, 05:41
Leninists and Maoists are akin to fascists? So the Indian Maoists fighting the oppressive Indian State are akin to Blackshirts? The Maoists in Nepal are bastards who want to oppress the people with their authoritarianism? I am amazed that you are still on this board as you just blatantly insulted more than half of the members of this board. Oh but you covered your ass with the whole many if not all are like rightists.

I was very specific, I said authoritarian communism shares distinct features with the far right. I also named those distinct features.


Did you not read the links I posted which you selectively quoted from? He wrote a whole article in defense of tortue and said that one has yet come up with an adequate argument against.

I read what he wrote entirely. However, his conclusion, stated several times, that torture should and must be illegal, is sort of essential. That isn't a minor detail. It directly contradicts your thesis, because it is not true. He specifically states; ..I think that torture should remain illegal.." and that "It seems probable, however, that any legal use of torture would have unacceptable consequences.."
Saying that something should and must be illegal is not an endorsement of it. You are not understanding, or deliberately falsifying.



Also Tony Blair is not a dem soc he is a third way proponent and a neo liberal. He was Thatcher Lite. He moved the Labour Party to the right with his New Labour platform. What the fuck is wrong with you? Not even the BBC agrees with you as I saw a whole doc made by Adam Curtis called The Trap which showed hoe he continued a lot of Thatcher's and neo liberal, pro market policies.

The Clintons are moderate rightists not leftists. Again you're totally mistaken here. Sociall issues does nor make one left, NGN. Do you not know anything about the Clintons economic policies? Stop posting your nonsense!

It's impossible to argue this without using words like 'left', 'right', etc., therefore it is impossible to argue them with you because you create your own definitions.

For fucks' sake... This is a thread about the collapse of the US economy. Send me a fucking private message if you HAVE to but let's keep it on point.