Can you agree with all leftist ideals?

[GrungeGestapo]

The title says it all; can you really stand for ALL leftist ideals? I mean you've got Socialists, Stalinists, Maoists, Marxists, Proletarians, Bolshevists, Antifascists, and all kind of ists. But can they all cooperate with each other? Can you be an everything-ist?

[ContrarianLemming]

in short, no
in long, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Terminator X]

Click on any thread on Revleft with "Trotsky" or "Stalin" in the title and you'll quickly realize that this is an utterly hopeless proposition. :cool:

[Serge's Fist]

No, we cannot unite with the Stalinists and the Maoists who support regimes and individuals responsible for millions of deaths. The only serious way you can unite the left is through unity of programme, that means a good section of the left such as the Stalinists will have no place in a future communist party.

[Invincible Summer]

The only serious way you can unite the left is through unity of programme,


No, we cannot unite with the Stalinists and the Maoists who support regimes and individuals responsible for millions of deaths... that means a good section of the left such as the Stalinists will have no place in a future communist party.

How ironic. :rolleyes:


So your basis for not liking Stalin and Mao is that people died while they were part of the leadership? You know that Lenin and Trotsky were involved in killing too?

[Nachie]

So your basis for not liking Stalin and Mao is that people died while they were part of the leadership? You know that Lenin and Trotsky were involved in killing too?

Thank god I hate all four of those fucks, then.

[Serge's Fist]

[/B]

How ironic. :rolleyes:

So your basis for not liking Stalin and Mao is that people died while they were part of the leadership? You know that Lenin and Trotsky were involved in killing too?

Really. Wow, never knew that thanks for the information.

It is not that Stalin and Mao killed people that we oppose, it is the fact that they killed many millions of people and participated and ordered some of the greatest crimes in history against the working class. So apart from the sea of blood between Marxism and the Stalinism/Maoism there are the key programmatic differences, socialism in one country or world revolution, supporting reactionary regimes in the third world etc.

[NGNM85]

All leftist ideals are pretty much compatible, however, the different denominations of the left aren't, necessarily. This is because what differentiates them is the premium they place on specific leftist values.

[Invincible Summer]

It is not that Stalin and Mao killed people that we oppose,

Who's "we?"



it is the fact that they killed many millions of people and participated and ordered some of the greatest crimes in history against the working class.
Such as?


So apart from the sea of blood between Marxism and the Stalinism/Maoism there are the key programmatic differences, socialism in one country or world revolution, supporting reactionary regimes in the third world etc.
You do understand that SOIC is supposed to lead to world revolution?

And considering you have a "Hands off Iran!" link in your sig, I wouldn't lecture people about "supporting reactionary regimes."

[Serge's Fist]

And considering you have a "Hands off Iran!" link in your sig, I wouldn't lecture people about "supporting reactionary regimes."

You should always click through and see a site before jumping to conclusions. HOPI is an anti-war organisation in solidarity with the working class movement in Iran, as well as supporting the left wing students and women against the regime, war and sanctions. We also are the only national group in the UK running a campaign against sanctions on Iran.


You do understand that SOIC is supposed to lead to world revolution?

No, socialism in one country is impossible, the working class can seize power in one country and hold on to it for a short time (e.g. Russian Revolution). Seizing power is not the same as creating a socialist system and these countries that claimed to be socialists were barbaric societies that contained some material gains for the working class but on the whole subjected their populations to totalitarian exploitation.

By "we" I mean the revolutionary communists as opposed to the red-brown Stalinists and the Maoists.

Why not have a read of this: 'Dripping from head to foot with blood and dirt' (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker2/index.php?action=viewarticle&article_id=1001551) from Weekly Worker 742 as a start for learning about the massacres committed by Stalin.