Carly Fiona and more tea party horseshit

[Stephen Colbert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brazdQANgYs&feature=topvideos

[Skooma Addict]

"The only good communist is a dead communist!"

[MadMoney]

The left does the same thing as "tea partiers" (get angry, particularly at people that don't share their narrow view): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldzMVL6Iqk

There are so many more enjoyable things to do in the summer time than protest.

[Nolan]

The left does the same thing as "tea partiers" (get angry, particularly at people that don't share their narrow view): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldzMVL6Iqk

There are so many more enjoyable things to do in the summer time than protest.

Everyone does that. It's why trolling objectivists on Youtube is so easy.

[RGacky3]

Heres the difference, Leftists get Angry for real things, and actual injustices and abuses of power.

Tea Partiers get angry at phantoms created by freedom works, Americans for prosperity and Glenn Beck.

You might as well have a crowd outside yelling and protesting against the raise of Muslim control over the government of the US ..... wait, they do that? Or protest against how Obama is setting up death camps in the ...... they do that too?

Heres the thing I was going to try and think of something more rediculous and detached from reality to compare them too, but well, they are more insane then my imagination.

But I don't think Carly has a chanace of winning, California historically is'nt the most progressive state, but its pretty liberal, and its becoming more progressive. (the Arnold election was a completely different situation).

[Qayin]

The left does the same thing as "tea partiers" (get angry, particularly at people that don't share their narrow view): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldzMVL6Iqk (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldzMVL6Iqk)

There are so many more enjoyable things to do in the summer time than protest. Mr. Morally superior is telling us how he is "above us all"
Fuck off, you cappies are all the same, tea partier or "libertarian"(Which is funny since you people stole that term from us)

[NGNM85]

But I don't think Carly has a chanace of winning, California historically is'nt the most progressive state, but its pretty liberal, and its becoming more progressive. (the Arnold election was a completely different situation).

After Brown took Kennedys' seat (In Massachusetts?!) I'd say it's all up for grabs.

[Stephen Colbert]

After Brown took Kennedys' seat (In Massachusetts?!) I'd say it's all up for grabs.

Did you see Brown's opponent? Not exactly high quality

[NGNM85]

Did you see Brown's opponent? Not exactly high quality

Oh, I'm not saying I was impressed with Coakley, far from it, her campaign sucked, but this was Ted Kennedy's seat in one of the bluest of the blue states. If Kennedy wasn't already dead the news would've killed him. It's a sign of the instability of politics today. This Tea Party thing is part of a greater unrest, that, unfortunately, has been co-opted by the right. I would not be surprised if the Democrats lose a number of seats. Of course, this will make legislation absolutely impossible, as it stands they need a supermajority on every....single.....issue. I'm not optimistic.

[RGacky3]

I actually doubt it, the democrats have lost a good amount of support, but the republicans have lost even MORE support. The Tea Party thing is blown up larger than it really is, its not really that big, and outside of its core it really does'nt have support.

As far as a supermajority, maybe the Democrats could grow a pair and start using reconciliation, the republicans use play dirty, why are the democrats playing nice.

[NGNM85]

I actually doubt it, the democrats have lost a good amount of support, but the republicans have lost even MORE support. The Tea Party thing is blown up larger than it really is, its not really that big, and outside of its core it really does'nt have support.

As far as a supermajority, maybe the Democrats could grow a pair and start using reconciliation, the republicans use play dirty, why are the democrats playing nice.

Did you see this? It caught my attention.

Weiner going ballistic on the House floor;
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[RGacky3]

I saw it and I loved it. Its about damn time the democrats started attacking, and attacking seriously. But talk is one thing, they should have been attacking from the start and holding the republicans head to the fire. They should have being legislating like this and getting stuff actually done. But I like Weiner, he's a fighter.

[NGNM85]

Here's a nice postscript to that; Peter King and Anthony Weiner being interviewed together on Fox. The anchor looks so hopeless.

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[#FF0000]

The fact that Weiner's one of the U.S. legislators that thought we should prosecute Americans on the Gaza flotilla sort of deflated my enthusiasm about this.

[NGNM85]

The fact that Weiner's one of the U.S. legislators that thought we should prosecute Americans on the Gaza flotilla sort of deflated my enthusiasm about this.

Barney Frank is also extremely supportive of the Israeli occupation. Unfortunate, but not surprising. What I find interesting is that it seems the debate is far more polarized in the US than it is in Israel.

[BuddhaInBabylon]

itisapartheid

definitely.

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that's how i get around shamelessly plugging something i think is relative to a conversation. Do i get points for at least trying to be smooth?

[Dimentio]

I saw it and I loved it. Its about damn time the democrats started attacking, and attacking seriously. But talk is one thing, they should have been attacking from the start and holding the republicans head to the fire. They should have being legislating like this and getting stuff actually done. But I like Weiner, he's a fighter.

They cannot attack, it isn't their role.

Like in high school. Its okay for the masculine football player to put his feet on the bench, to push aside smaller people and snap off those who are irritating him, but if an anemic nerd would do the same thing all the girls would just be scared and find it creepy.

[RGacky3]

The fact that Weiner's one of the U.S. legislators that thought we should prosecute Americans on the Gaza flotilla sort of deflated my enthusiasm about this.


On domestic policy, I pick my battles.


They cannot attack, it isn't their role.

Like in high school. Its okay for the masculine football player to put his feet on the bench, to push aside smaller people and snap off those who are irritating him, but if an anemic nerd would do the same thing all the girls would just be scared and find it creepy.

Of coarse they can, they just have to do it, that analogy is crap, because right now the democrats are more muscular (electorally) than republicans.

About that video, I love how there is NO explenation about why republicans voted against it.

[redSHARP]

god i love ny

[NGNM85]

About that video, I love how there is NO explenation about why republicans voted against it.

Oh, they really would have, except for "the process." Honest.:D

[RGacky3]

The liberal/progressives need to harp on this thing a lot, the progressive strategy forward needs to be Kick the Republicans and Corporatist democrats in the mouth, break a couple of their fingers, and then they'll get bipartisanship, hell they'll probably get some republicans to support a single payer healthcare system.

What their strategy now is, put down your sword and say "lets talk" then the corporatists kick them in the shin and put their sort to their throat and say "yeah lets talk."

Obviously now some of them are starting to do that, but its too little too late, and they lack the media machine and corporate support the right has, but still, they need to start pulling out the baseball bats and knuckle dusters.

[La Comédie Noire]

A ferocious little wiener for sure, but what was he flipping over? Something so uncontroversial you'd have to be stupid to have voted it down.

He struck political gold though and perhaps he can get some English Major to ghost write a book about his "no nonsense" attitude.

[NGNM85]

The liberal/progressives need to harp on this thing a lot, the progressive strategy forward needs to be Kick the Republicans and Corporatist democrats in the mouth, break a couple of their fingers, and then they'll get bipartisanship, hell they'll probably get some republicans to support a single payer healthcare system.

What their strategy now is, put down your sword and say "lets talk" then the corporatists kick them in the shin and put their sort to their throat and say "yeah lets talk."

Obviously now some of them are starting to do that, but its too little too late, and they lack the media machine and corporate support the right has, but still, they need to start pulling out the baseball bats and knuckle dusters.

It was amazing, when Bush and the Republicans ran the show, they could just make things happen, even stuff that was blatantly illegal.

[Jazzratt]

I'm not really sure why you're expecting so much from the democrats Gacky. You're behaving just like the Labour supporters (especially the "critical supporters") in the late 90s who had taken in all the rhetoric from when the party was in opposition and were naievly expecting something other than the same sorry shower. You're expecting too much from the "progressive" electoral parties: you're expecting them to be better when all they're really capable of is being slightly less awful.

[RGacky3]

Maybe I am, its not the actual democrats I care about, its the progressives in the party, obviously I know as a whole the democrats arn't going to do much, mainly because the bluedogs and new democrats ruin it, but still, in my opinion many of the progressives in the party are sincere and do want to end corporate dominance of politics.

[Jazzratt]

Maybe I am, its not the actual democrats I care about, its the progressives in the party, obviously I know as a whole the democrats arn't going to do much, mainly because the bluedogs and new democrats ruin it, but still, in my opinion many of the progressives in the party are sincere and do want to end corporate dominance of politics. What will the progressives actually achieve though? Ending "corporate dominance of politics" sounds like empty sloganeering, the kind of total rot that the official left and other liberal types trot out all the time. Turning to the soi dissant progressive elements of parties like the Democrats or Labour [or equivelents elsewhere] is ultimately a losing proposition anyway as all they offer is hollow reformism. I honestly don't see yours as much of an anarchist position, a social democratic or particuarly niave trotskyist position perhaps but not an anarchist one.

[RGacky3]

What will the progressives actually achieve though? Ending "corporate dominance of politics" sounds like empty sloganeering, the kind of total rot that the official left and other liberal types trot out all the time.

Campain finance reform would make a big difference, as would public health.


Turning to the soi dissant progressive elements of parties like the Democrats or Labour [or equivelents elsewhere] is ultimately a losing proposition anyway as all they offer is hollow reformism. I honestly don't see yours as much of an anarchist position, a social democratic or particuarly niave trotskyist position perhaps but not an anarchist one.

Hollow reformism makes a difference. I'm not saying the progressives are the answer, I'm saying its part of the picture, its not black and white. Either your revolutionary 100% or your an only reformist.

My position is this, make things better, as much as you can within the system, and as much as you can outside of it, push the system as far as you can, take all the gains you can, then go for more. It actaully happens to be the same position as Chomsky.

[tbasherizer]

I think we waste our time discussing mainstream politics when we know it won't make a real difference for the working class. Of course, having knowledge that the tea party phenomenon is happening is valuable; it reveals real discontent with the system in America that we can divert into the right direction with good agitation work. However, even commenting on the sheer ridiculousness of their talking points puts us into a rhetorical corner, forcing us to defend Obama, another representative of the capital-imperialist class.