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Rusty Shackleford
26th July 2010, 20:17
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/world/asia/27china.html


BEIJING — The Chinese government reacted angrily on Monday to an announcement by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) that Washington might step into a long-simmering territorial dispute between China (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/china/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) and its smaller neighbors in the South China Sea.
Speaking Friday during a forum of Southeast Asian countries in Vietnam (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/vietnam/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), Mrs. Clinton apparently surprised Beijing by saying the United States had a “national interest” in seeking to mediate the dispute, which involves a smattering of 200 islands, islets and coral outcroppings that are claimed by China, Vietnam, Brunei (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/brunei/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), Malaysia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/malaysia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), Taiwan, Indonesia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/indonesia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) and the Philippines (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/philippines/index.html?inline=nyt-geo).
Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi of China warned the United States against wading into the conflict, saying it would increase regional tensions.
“What will be the consequences if this issue is turned into an international or multilateral one?” he asked in remarks published on the Foreign Ministry’s Web site. “It will only make matters worse and the resolution more difficult.”
The state-run media was far less diplomatic, describing Mrs. Clinton’s speech as “an attack” and a cynical effort to suppress Chinese aspirations — and its expanding might.
“America hopes to contain a China with growing military capabilities,” ran an editorial Monday in the official People’s Daily.
Global Times, an English-language tabloid published by People’s Daily, said, “China will never waive its right to protect its core interest with military means.”
Ms. Clinton’s announcement came at time of rising tension between Washington and Beijing over a number of economic and diplomatic differences. On Sunday, the United States and South Korea began four days of naval drills off the Korean Peninsula involving 200 aircraft, 20 ships and an aircraft carrier. Although the exercises are meant as a message to North Korea — which the South has blamed for a torpedo attack on a frigate last March that killed 46 sailors — China has greeted the maneuvers with some alarm.
Until Mrs. Clinton made her remarks, the dispute over the South China Sea islands had remained a largely regional concern. The area of contention, which spans 1.2 million square miles, is an increasingly important conduit for a third of the world’s maritime trade and much of the region’s energy supplies. Just as compelling are the enormous deposits of oil (http://www.nytimes.com/info/oil/?inline=nyt-classifier) and natural gas thought to be under the ocean floor.
In 1988, the Chinese and Vietnamese military sparred over one archipelago, the Paracel Islands, claiming the lives of dozens of Vietnamese sailors. Earlier this year, China announced plans to develop tourism in the Paracels. In recent months, it has been warning foreign oil companies against striking exploration deals with Vietnam.
Xu Liping, a Southeast Asian expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, said that the United States, long distracted by conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, was seeking to revive its influence in the region.
“The U.S. feels like this is the time to play the political and military card since it’s very difficult for them to compete with China in the economic sphere,” he said. “If Washington can play in bigger role in the South China Sea, it will help to continue its influence among South Asian countries.”
American officials have reacted with growing concern over China’s naval ambitions, a new strategy that Chinese admirals have described as its “far sea defense.” Beyond refusing to cede any ground on sovereignty in the South China Sea, China has announced plans to deploy aircraft carriers, and it has strengthened its armada with nuclear-powered submarines capable of firing ballistic missiles.
Last March, China warned two visiting American officials that it would not tolerate any interference in the South China Sea, an area it described as its “core interest,” much like Tibet and Taiwan.
China’s neighbors have reacted by bolstering their own naval forces. In recent years Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia have acquired submarines. On Sunday, Japan announced plans to increase its submarine fleet for the first time in more than three decades.
Mrs. Clinton’s announcement on Friday was essentially a nod to Vietnam, which has been seeking support for multilateral negotiations as a bulwark against China’s stance on issues of sovereignty. China has insisted that the conflict be resolved through one-on-one negotiations. “The consensus is to have these disputes solved peacefully through friendly consultations in the interest of peace and stability in the South China Sea and good neighborly relations,” Mr. Yang, the Chinese foreign minister, said in his statement.
Ian Storey, a fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, said Washington’s enhanced interest in the South China Sea was sure to heighten tensions between the countries. Such confrontations have already been playing out through less-than-friendly encounters between American and Chinese vessels.
“This is clearly an unpleasant surprise for the Chinese,” Mr. Storey said of Mrs. Clinton’s announcement. “I think we’ll see the U.S.-China relationship marked by cooperation and cooperation but also perhaps by confrontation.”



Basically the US is now throwing itself into a regional dispute over an archipelago that is rumored to have a stash of mineral wealth under it, and is claimed by 6-7 nations in the region. China is very angry at the US for this(and "alarmed" by the US-ROK drills in the S.o.J.) and has talked about its military being a growing concern for the US.

Adi Shankara
26th July 2010, 21:18
Basically the US is now throwing itself into a regional dispute over an archipelago that is rumored to have a stash of mineral wealth under it, and is claimed by 6-7 nations in the region. China is very angry at the US for this(and "alarmed" by the US-ROK drills in the S.o.J.) and has talked about its military being a growing concern for the US.


China is not "the good guy" in this story. both the USA and China are greedy capitalist states who will exploit and destroy the South East Asian region for minerals.

Rusty Shackleford
26th July 2010, 21:23
China is not "the good guy" in this story. both the USA and China are greedy capitalist states who will exploit and destroy the South East Asian region for minerals.
I agree that china is using its influence to get what it wants in the islands but that is irrelevant. what is really the problem is something like a new phase of imperialism in East Asia.

Who knows, maybe(thoguh far fetched) the reviving labor movement in china will influence the CPC to actually drop that Dengist shit and move back to Marxism.

I higly doubt China will actually invade any of those countries. but with the presence of the US, i wouldnt doubt the militarization(because of the US) of the area becoming a problem.

Adi Shankara
26th July 2010, 21:30
I higly doubt China will actually invade any of those countries.

the PRC already has tried (but failed) to get into the region, when the Chinese invaded Vietnam in 1979:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War (interesting: the Vietnamese even call the war "Chiến tranh chống bành trướng Trung Hoa", or "war against Chinese imperialism [expansionism])"

On another note, people really need to learn that you can't win a war against Vietnam, I don't think they have lost a single war in the 20th century.

danyboy27
26th July 2010, 21:36
China already has tried (but failed) to get into the region, back in 1979, when they invaded Vietnam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

(on another note, people really need to learn that you can't win a war against Vietnam, I don't think they have lost a single war in the 20th century)

i dont know if we can say that, i highly doubt china wanted to occupy vietnam, its more likely they where sending a strong message to vietnam that they should get out of their backyard (cambodia.)

sacrificing hundred of their own civilian to prove a point, yes governement and state are that stupid.

Rusty Shackleford
26th July 2010, 21:37
China already has tried (but failed) to get into the region, back in 1979, when they invaded Vietnam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War (interesting: the Vietnamese even call the war "Chiến tranh chống bành trướng Trung Hoa", or "war against Chinese imperialism [expansionism])"

(on another note, people really need to learn that you can't win a war against Vietnam, I don't think they have lost a single war in the 20th century)
wasnt the war mostly about vietnam invading cambodia and ousting the khmer rouge(which i applaud vietnam for)? which china was aligned with?

China and the Soviet Union also have a border spat but it doesnt mean they will invade everyone.

im certainly not a fan of chinas revisionist politics but id certainly align with them if anything between the us and them happened.

Adi Shankara
26th July 2010, 21:40
im certainly not a fan of chinas revisionist politics but id certainly align with them if anything between the us and them happened.

Personally, I'd just hope they destroy each other; these two states are the most dangerous nations to world security today, and I'd hope that out of both nation's ashes, new communist republics would emerge.

Rusty Shackleford
26th July 2010, 21:46
Personally, I'd just hope they destroy each other; these two states are the most dangerous nations to world security today, and I'd hope that out of both nation's ashes, new communist republics would emerge.

China is not just a loss, there is potential for it to change. when the republic was founded it had two tendencies. the marxian one, and the revisionist one obviously the revisionist one took hold, but because capital has been gathered up to a great extent, it is possible for a marxian trend to take hole again. i dont know the current dynamics in the chinese political scene but im not about to go and crap all over it just yet.

CleverTitle
26th July 2010, 21:47
Regardless of the current state of China, I think it's good that they've been more willing to criticize the US recently. It may be to protect their own (often questionable) interests, but it doesn't change the fact that it's another voice of opposition, and a decidedly influential one at that.