15 year old Alyssa Bustamante kills a 9 year old...and online users take her side

[Adi Shankara]

Old news, yes but I just heard of it, and this shit pisses me off. Alyssa Bustamante is a fucking murderer, she killed a 9 year old girl, and by all means should hang by her neck until her feet stop kicking.

but--since she is someone (I'm guessing to others) "attractive", young, and had a boo-hoo abusive childhood, she has garnered alot of sympathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlGk0kEBesU

can you imagine if it was a fat pedo bastard who killed 9 year old Elizabeth Olten? we'd all be demanding his death (well, not all of you, lulz), but since it's a girl, people seem to take it easy on her, blaming pills, her family, etc. rather than just saynig this girl looks like she has psychopathic tendencies.

I hate our world and the way we judge youth, attractiveness, etc. in these things. it really pisses me off. this girl is as bad as any pedo scum, even if she didn't do anything sexual, she still deserves death and nothing less. I could give a fuck if she's 15.

[Chambered Word]

I've only just read about this: http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/alyssa_bustamante_15_charged_w.php

Sounds incredibly fucked-up and yeah she was from a bad home, but anyone who would have sympathy for someone who killed a 9 year old is insane. :(

[AK]

Even though she killed a 9yo girl, how does hanging a 15 year old somehow make you better than that?

[Adi Shankara]

Even though she killed a 9yo girl, how does hanging a 15 year old somehow make you better than that?

how does making her live in a 9x10 box for the rest of her life make it better? both inflict pain.

[Widerstand]

Thomas you act so extremely judgmental. Obviously killing someone is never a good thing, nor is it excusable, but you have to admit that the girl obviously had some problems. And what's with the pedo bashing? Are we rating and deciding on what sexual kinks are acceptable now? No I don't support molesting children, but stigmatizing people as "sick" and demanding they be hung never does any good.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Thomas, you seem to have a hard on for corperal punishment, I don't know if its some sexual fetish or missplaced anger, but, I hope you keep posting, Its pretty dam funny watching you rage at things.

[FreeFocus]

Thomas you act so extremely judgmental. Obviously killing someone is never a good thing, nor is it excusable, but you have to admit that the girl obviously had some problems. And what's with the pedo bashing? Are we rating and deciding on what sexual kinks are acceptable now? No I don't support molesting children, but stigmatizing people as "sick" and demanding they be hung never does any good.

The "pedo bashing" wasn't related to the topic, but it's ridiculous to consider that a "sexual kink." It's possibly a mental problem, but bottom line, it's an unacceptable tendency for a 45 year old to be attracted to (and act on his feelings) a minor. It's disgusting. It's not just something that's weird like a fetish, it's a crime by any respectable ethical standard.

On topic, I don't really know the facts of the case. If she brutally murdered the 9 year old, perhaps. I try to refrain from supporting the death penalty for children, but I don't know. Heinous crimes are heinous crimes.

[gorillafuck]

Old news, yes but I just heard of it, and this shit pisses me off. Alyssa Bustamante is a fucking murderer, she killed a 9 year old girl, and by all means should hang by her neck until her feet stop kicking.
How about we do not hang people?

[praxis1966]

A) Hanging was ruled unconstitutional decades ago.

B) Executing minors was ruled unconstitutional years ago.

So C) You're behind even the bourgeois American courts on this one.

And D) I don't think we should ever judge a 15 year old by the same standards we judge a 45 year old given that their brains just don't function the same way. Bustamante's still immature by nearly every standard of physiology and developmental psychology. Yeah, perhaps she's getting some inordinate amount of attention because she's blond haired, blue eyed and young but so what? The fact is I'm sure she did have something seriously wrong with her, whatever the cause, because (statistically speaking) cases like hers are so rare. We should be trying to find out what went wrong so that we can better equip ourselves to both treat her psychologically and prevent it happening again instead of jumping to demonize her.

EDIT: I've briefly skimmed a couple of articles on this case now, and from what I can tell she definitely wasn't raised in ideal circumstances or blessed with ideal genetics and I think that had everything to do with what she did. Her father is a violent felon and according to reports he's currently doing time for assaulting someone with a knife. Her mother isn't exactly a jewel either. The woman's done time on misdemeanor drug charges which landed her (Alyssa Bustamante) in the care of her grandparents. Now, I'm not trying to be moralistic about drugs here since I think that drug laws are by and large horseshit, but whether the grandparents are on the paternal or maternal side is pretty immaterial to me since they managed to do such a bang up job with their own kids (the father's a violent criminal and the mother is obviously at the very least a shit judge of character). Combine a probable congenital predisposition for these sorts of behaviors with such a toxic home environment and you certainly do have a recipe for disaster.

[ContrarianLemming]

A) Hanging was ruled unconstitutional decades ago.

B) Executing minors was ruled unconstitutional years ago.

So C) You're behind even the bourgeois American courts on this one.

And D) I don't think we should ever judge a 15 year old by the same standards we judge a 45 year old given that their brains just don't function the same way. Bustamante's still immature by nearly every standard of physiology and developmental psychology. Yeah, perhaps she's getting some inordinate amount of attention because she's blond haired, blue eyed and young but so what? The fact is I'm sure she did have something seriously wrong with her, whatever the cause, because (statistically speaking) cases like hers are so rare. We should be trying to find out what went wrong so that we can better equip ourselves to both treat her psychologically and prevent it happening again instead of jumping to demonize her.

EDIT: I've briefly skimmed a couple of articles on this case now, and from what I can tell she definitely wasn't raised in ideal circumstances or blessed with ideal genetics and I think that had everything to do with what she did. Her father is a violent felon and according to reports he's currently doing time for assaulting someone with a knife. Her mother isn't exactly a jewel either. The woman's done time on misdemeanor drug charges which landed her (Alyssa Bustamante) in the care of her grandparents. Now, I'm not trying to be moralistic about drugs here since I think that drug laws are by and large horseshit, but whether the grandparents are on the paternal or maternal side is pretty immaterial to me since they managed to do such a bang up job with their own kids (the father's a violent criminal and the mother is obviously at the very least a shit judge of character). Combine a probable congenital predisposition for these sorts of behaviors with such a toxic home environment and you certainly do have a recipe for disaster.

thank you, very well said.
I think family guy put it very well in a cut away gag.

*a group of reporters stand near a wrecked crashed schoolbus*

"I'm afraid we can confirm that young sally gunderson has died"

*collective sympathy from the surrounding crowd*

"oh wait..no that's Sally Gutierrez"

*Crowd immediatly loses interest*

"pff, thats not news"

[Adi Shankara]

And what's with the pedo bashing? Are we rating and deciding on what sexual kinks are acceptable now? No I don't support molesting children, but stigmatizing people as "sick" and demanding they be hung never does any good.

You're a sick fuck if you think that abusing and raping a child is just a "sexual kink".

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

You're a sick fuck if you think that abusing and raping a child is just a "sexual kink".

Keep on ragin'

[Invincible Summer]

I've only just read about this: http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/alyssa_bustamante_15_charged_w.php

Sounds incredibly fucked-up and yeah she was from a bad home, but anyone who would have sympathy for someone who killed a 9 year old is insane. :(

That article was so terribly written.

I don't think the sympathy is misplaced. The girl is 15 years old. She killed someone, and it's possible that her social background exacerbated her desire to do so.

I don't want to sound like an ass, but it's possible that this is more shocking to some of you because you guys are 15.




Old news, yes but I just heard of it, and this shit pisses me off. Alyssa Bustamante is a fucking murderer, she killed a 9 year old girl, and by all means should hang by her neck until her feet stop kicking.

but--since she is someone (I'm guessing to others) "attractive", young, and had a boo-hoo abusive childhood, she has garnered alot of sympathy.

can you imagine if it was a fat pedo bastard who killed 9 year old Elizabeth Olten? we'd all be demanding his death (well, not all of you, lulz), but since it's a girl, people seem to take it easy on her, blaming pills, her family, etc. rather than just saynig this girl looks like she has psychopathic tendencies.

I hate our world and the way we judge youth, attractiveness, etc. in these things. it really pisses me off. this girl is as bad as any pedo scum, even if she didn't do anything sexual, she still deserves death and nothing less. I could give a fuck if she's 15.

I think if anything, it's because she's a white girl. Black people (both male and female) tend to be demonized as "to-be criminals," Asians are just invisible (or prostitutes/drug smugglers), and Latinos are gangsters. These stereotypes all inform the mainstream media discourse when it comes to talking about victims & perpetrators. So yeah if it was a Black person, I doubt there would be this pseudo-sympathy.

I don't get why you're getting to furious about the media attention on the killer. It's pretty normal for the media to try and "understand" why people commit violent crime. Hell, that's why there are shows like CSI and Criminal Minds. I'm also interested in why the media hasn't swarmed all over the victim's story yet.

I mean it's pretty terrible what happened, but I don't think it's so abhorrent that one needs to call for the death penalty. Maybe I'm just really jaded

[Widerstand]

You're a sick fuck if you think that abusing and raping a child is just a "sexual kink".

You are the most obvious troll I've ever seen. In the small chance you're not trolling, you might want to reconsider this belief of yours: "All pedophiles rape and abuse children." It strikes me as remarkably similar to "All homosexual males try to have sex with every guy they meet".

[Adi Shankara]

You are the most obvious troll I've ever seen.

and that is the most common "insult" on revleft when you want to try to silence someone who has a controversial (even though it shouldn't be) view.



In the small chance you're not trolling, you might want to reconsider this belief of yours: "All pedophiles rape and abuse children." It strikes me as remarkably similar to "All homosexual males try to have sex with every guy they meet".


why can't pedopals ever refrain from comparing homosexuality to pedophilia? I'm sure homosexuals are tired of being compared to such animals. and I never said that all pedophiles rape and abuse children--but the amount who offend and act upon their desires are way too large to be ignored.

[Invincible Summer]

You are the most obvious troll I've ever seen. In the small chance you're not trolling, you might want to reconsider this belief of yours: "All pedophiles rape and abuse children." It strikes me as remarkably similar to "All homosexual males try to have sex with every guy they meet".

This is true.



why can't pedopals ever refrain from comparing homosexuality to pedophilia? I'm sure homosexuals are tired of being compared to such animals. and I never said that all pedophiles rape and abuse children--but the amount who offend and act upon their desires are way too large to be ignored.

I'm not a "pedopal," but Chammer's statement is true. Not all pedophiles act on their desires. It's a moral panic much like the moral panic of how homosexuals will try and rape everyone because they're just crazy sex machines.

And I think it's just because the media saturates us with news about the offending pedophiles that it seems like they all do that.

[Widerstand]

and that is the most common "insult" on revleft when you want to try to silence someone who has a controversial (even though it shouldn't be) view.

It's an observation. By the way, you are the one throwing around insults.



why can't pedopals ever refrain from comparing homosexuality to pedophilia? I'm sure homosexuals are tired of being compared to such animals.

What the fuck is a "pedopal"? I'm not comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, I'm just pointing out that the argument you are using against pedophiles has the exact same structure, and flaws, as a mainstream argument used against homosexuals. It's nice how we are down to using "animal" as an insult now. I'm sure I don't have to tell you where THAT one was used a lot.


and I never said that all pedophiles rape and abuse children--but the amount who offend and act upon their desires are way too large to be ignored.

The amount is too large? In relation to what? I wouldn't be so quick to point to numbers, especially when we are talking about something as pedophilia as a crime, which likely has the most random laws ever. What counts as pedophilia is pretty much different everywhere in the world, raging from ridiculously strict (USA) to ridiculously loose (Japan, some Arab nations).

[Nolan]

Holy fuck, anyone who thinks pedophilia is just some "sexual kink" should be banned.

[Iskalla]

I can't help but think the pedo-sympathising looks like it has leaked directly from 4chan...

[Os Cangaceiros]

and by all means should hang by her neck until her feet stop kicking.


she still deserves death and nothing less. I could give a fuck if she's 15.

:blink:

[khad]

I'm just pointing out that the argument you are using against pedophiles has the exact same structure, and flaws, as a mainstream argument used against homosexuals.
Even that comparison is specious, as there is no analogous social concern.

People don't need to fear men or women who have a tendency to have consensual relations with members of their own sex. They may have a legitimate concern, though, with people whose psychology causes them to have a tendency to rape children.

Seriously, stop that comparison. It's offensive.

[Sasha]

can we keep this ontopic? its pretty clear this girl is not an peadophile, and the peadophelia discussion is held already to adnasuem elswhere on this board.
use the search function.
verbal warnings all around

[Nolan]

This is chit chat.

[Adi Shankara]

:blink:

you're saying that 3 years makes the difference in when someone kills someone? at 15, while not fully adult, they are aware of the consequences of such crazy shit. drugs or not, many people have much worse hardship then she could dream of, and they don't go around killing 9 year old girls.

again: how would this story be reported if she was a black male, and into the "thug life"?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'm against the death penalty as a punishment for criminal activity. It doesn't matter to me if she's 15 or 18 or any other age.

But if you think that it's progressive to vocally broadcast your support for executing a 15 year old with known mental problems...

[Adi Shankara]

But if you think that it's progressive to vocally broadcast your support for executing a 15 year old with known mental problems...

so what else do you suppose should be done? let her live a life in a 9x10 box? release her back into society, and let the people decide her fate?

with those options, execution looks like the humane thing to do.

[this is an invasion]

so what else do you suppose should be done? let her live a life in a 9x10 box? release her back into society, and let the people decide her fate?

with those options, execution looks like the humane thing to do.

You are completely cracked. This girl clearly has severe emotional and mental problems. That doesn't entirely excuse her behavior, but shit dude, she's certainly not sane. Should we just hang all insane people because they may hurt people?

I think you should do some serious soul searching if you think it's perfectly alright to hang a fifteen year old girl as judicial punishment (or anyone for that matter).

[Jazzratt]

so what else do you suppose should be done? let her live a life in a 9x10 box? release her back into society, and let the people decide her fate?

with those options, execution looks like the humane thing to do. Look, dipshit. This is only the most humane option because you've painted some particularly shite alternatives. I'm fairly sure that the secure mental facility that she clearly belongs in offers more than a "9x10 box" and certainly wouldn't hold her for the entirety of her life. Not even most prisons would do that, especially for a young offender that is demonstrably mental. Also, if it's determined to a reasonable degree that she'd still present a danger to society I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed back into society most people don't think like the titular serial-killer from Dexter (certain fuck ups that probably have really dodgy porn collection might but then most of them would be pathetic fuckheads like you, so no harm done) so she'd likely be fine.

Execution is a last resort to excise execeptionally and incorrigbly dangerous members of society and shouldn't be relished or talked about in the creepy, near masturbatory tones that you use you fucking freak.

[leftace53]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/AVBucket/User_Tim/Misc/Why-Do-People-Kill-People-Posters.jpg

[Adi Shankara]

Also, if it's determined to a reasonable degree that she'd still present a danger to society I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed back into society most people don't think like the titular serial-killer from Dexter (certain fuck ups that probably have really dodgy porn collection might but then most of them would be pathetic fuckheads like you, so no harm done) so she'd likely be fine.

Your knowledge of psychopathy comes from a comedic/drama TV series. how cute.

also, speaking of mental issues...dude are you okay? you seem a little angry. lol

[Jazzratt]

Your knowledge of psychopathy comes from a TV series. how cute. It really doesn't you presumptious fuckwit. It's an example that, given the popularity of the TV series, is easy to relate to. The point is that she isn't going to be turned loose to a pack of demented vigilante sociopaths.


also, speaking of mental issues...dude are you okay? you seem a little angry. lol I'm fine, I just think you're a prick. A total prick with a raging hard on for murder, albeit state sanctioned murder.

[Invincible Summer]

you're saying that 3 years makes the difference in when someone kills someone? at 15, while not fully adult, they are aware of the consequences of such crazy shit. drugs or not, many people have much worse hardship then she could dream of, and they don't go around killing 9 year old girls.

Everyone reacts to psychological stress differently. It's not fair to make the accusations you are making.



again: how would this story be reported if she was a black male, and into the "thug life"?

He would be demonized, painted like a hardened criminal that was "bound to go postal" and stuff like that. I don't even think they'd report on it as much, just maybe publish stories for a week then forget about it because black people committing crime is something everyone already knows about.





so what else do you suppose should be done? let her live a life in a 9x10 box? release her back into society, and let the people decide her fate?

with those options, execution looks like the humane thing to do.

Is this how you demonstrate your religious faith... Hinduism or something?

[Adi Shankara]

It really doesn't you presumptious fuckwit. It's an example that, given the popularity of the TV series, is easy to relate to. The point is that she isn't going to be turned loose to a pack of demented vigilante sociopaths.

and what if she is a sociopath? sociopaths can't learn to "be nice".


I'm fine, I just think you're a prick. A total prick with a raging hard on for murder, albeit state sanctioned murder.

I don't believe in murder. I don't consider execution murder because it's a consequence for an action that should be considered unforgiveable. I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. circumstances should be taken into consideration, but this was pre-meditated murder. she dug a grave 5 days before she committed the murder to bury the body.

Jesus, what's wrong with this forum. defending pedophiles and murderers, yet religious people and lumpenproletariat are considered evil or ignorant.

[Adi Shankara]

He would be demonized, painted like a hardened criminal that was "bound to go postal" and stuff like that. I don't even think they'd report on it as much, just maybe publish stories for a week then forget about it because black people committing crime is something everyone already knows about.

no offense dude, but that was racist. maybe it was just the way you phrased it, but that came out wrong.




Is this how you demonstrate your religious faith... Hinduism or something?

Hindu belief never was peaceful or non-violent. consider the Bhagavad Gita for instance.

[Invincible Summer]

I don't believe in murder. I don't consider execution murder because it's a consequence for an action that should be considered unforgiveable. I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. circumstances should be taken into consideration, but this was pre-meditated murder. she dug a grave 5 days before she committed the murder to bury the body.

Delusions and psychotic periods can last for a long time.


Jesus, what's wrong with this forum. defending pedophiles and murderers, yet religious people and lumpenproletariat are considered evil or ignorant.
Everyone keeps saying how lumpens are treated like shit here, but I've never witnessed it myself.

The accusation of "murder" is always subjective. Che was a murderer, any revolutionary is probably a murderer. They killed people, sure. But you can't just jump to some wild-eyed conclusion that because they killed, it's an eye for an eye. You gotta understand the context.

Your defense of religion and now this post about "an eye for an eye" and a supposedly "objective morality" demonstrates why religious beliefs can work against progress.

[Adi Shankara]

Jazzrat, btw, you know using your criteria, that every mainstream Communist, from Ho Chi Minh to Lenin to Trotsky, were "raging pricks with hard-ons for murder"?

[Invincible Summer]

no offense dude, but that was racist. maybe it was just the way you phrased it, but that came out wrong.

It was tongue in cheek






Hindu belief never was peaceful or non-violent. consider the Bhagavad Gita for instance.

Fair enough, you're calling for the killing of a girl who has serious problems. If Hinduism is about having no remorse and slaughtering of people based on some arbitrary moral code, then that's pretty messed up.

[9]

Lenin to Trotsky, were "raging pricks with hard-ons for murder"?
Sorry, using violence in order to defend the revolution =/= calling for the bourgeois state to execute emotionally unstable children from broken homes. Now gtfo, liberal.

[Adi Shankara]

Fair enough, you're calling for the killing of a girl who has serious problems. If Hinduism is about having no remorse and slaughtering of people based on some arbitrary moral code, then that's pretty messed up.

I don't speak for hinduism nor claim to. there are some sects of Hinduism that are vehemently opposed to violence.

I guess for me, maybe I spoke out a little too strongly. my original position was wrong that she needed to hang, I was just upset upon reading it, because I saw more sympathy for the murderer than the murdered. While I'm not opposed to the death penalty, it is a necessary evil to me (class crimes can't go unpunished with a pittance, for example) I don't think I reacted right to this one instance.

so I apologize for my original stance on the girl. however, I don't think the death penalty is all that evil or is even "murder". I think it's a necessary way to dispatch of people who really shouldn't be here anymore. (I think that Hitler, Pol Pot, Sidney Gottlieb, Ariel Sharon, and other class-crime offenders deserve(d) this)

[chegitz guevara]

Yet another thread where TS shows he's more of a fascist than a socialist.

[9]

TS shows he's more of a fascist than a socialist.

I was literally thinking this exact thing.

[Adi Shankara]

Yet another thread where TS shows he's more of a fascist than a socialist.

Thanks for the positive contribution! I swear, do you just look for thread I post in to post one-liner bullshit like this? this isn't the only thread you've done this where I posted.

Now then: how am I a fascist? because I don't believe in non-violence? I just admitted, my position on the girl was wrong. I apologized for that. but to say I'm a fascist...that's quite a stretch.

[Invincible Summer]

I don't speak for hinduism nor claim to. there are some sects of Hinduism that are vehemently opposed to violence.

True, I'm just the evil Atheist trying to make correlations between your defense of religion and stance on murdering little girls ;)


however, I don't think the death penalty is all that evil or is even "murder". I think it's a necessary way to dispatch of people who really shouldn't be here anymore. (I think that Hitler, Pol Pot, Sidney Gottlieb, Ariel Sharon, and other class-crime offenders deserve this)

Although the misanthrope in me agrees, at the same time "who shouldn't be here anymore" is sooooo subjective that I'm not even sure it's possible to make that judgment.


Yet another thread where TS shows he's more of a fascist than a socialist.

Lol what's the other thread?

[chegitz guevara]

I don't look for them, TS, but you litter the forum with so many of them I just have to throw a rock in any direction to find you behaving like a troll.

@Helios+, any thread about crime you'll find TS saying OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Note to TS, this is called hyperbole. Hyperbole is exaggeration for effect, it is not meant to be taken seriously

[Jazzratt]

and what if she is a sociopath? sociopaths can't learn to "be nice". Sociopaths can, however, be kept in humane conditions where the threat they posed is minimised and they may even be given ways to contribute usefully to society. Jesus fuck, you ignorant asshole. Anyway, it's not really relevent if she isn't a sociopath is it you waste of flesh.


I don't believe in murder. Yes. Yes you do. You fucking freak.


I don't consider execution murder because it's a consequence for an action that should be considered unforgiveable. I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. circumstances should be taken into consideration, but this was pre-meditated murder. she dug a grave 5 days before she committed the murder to bury the body. Purely retributive "like for like" punishment is going the way of the dod for good reason. Maybe you got your moral compass at an antiques shop or you've recently headbutted a moving cargo train or something but that's really no excuse to cling to this moronic value system.

I don't see the point in answering a premeditated murder with a premeditated murder. That's just savage, not to mention a total mixed message. "Quisnam fungor carnifex"


Jesus, what's wrong with this forum. defending pedophiles and murderers, yet religious people and lumpenproletariat are considered evil or ignorant. Maybe if you read the forum whilst actually thinking rather than jerking your knee and ignorantly jobating on subjects about which you know very little (that is, everything) like the hunchbrained dick castle that you are, then you would know why this statement is basically emotionalist tripe. Simply refusing to engage in the same chilling bloodthirst as you with as much relish does not, in fact, constitute wholehearted commendation of murder and rape. This whole fucking exercise, arguing with you, is like playing whack-a-mole except it's "whack-a-twatty-ill-formed-opinion-made-by-a-boorish-bellend" and for every twatty, ill-formed opinion made by a boorish bellend we knock down you manage to make two more.

[Adi Shankara]

Lol what's the other thread?

I'm trying to figure out just that myself. again, I'm not non-violent. but I'm a fascist? I don't believe in racial supremacy, I don't believe in Nationalism (except for anti-imperial nationalism i.e against imperialism, like the Vietnamese) and I believe in strongly in equality and a dictatorship of the proletarian majority.

so calling me a fascist is pretty much just flaming.

[chegitz guevara]

Gosh, flaming in chit-chat. Who would have guessed?

[Adi Shankara]

Sociopaths can, however, be kept in humane conditions where the threat they posed is minimised and they may even be given ways to contribute usefully to society. Jesus fuck, you ignorant asshole. Anyway, it's not really relevent if she isn't a sociopath is it you waste of flesh.

Yes. Yes you do. You fucking freak.

Purely retributive "like for like" punishment is going the way of the dod for good reason. Maybe you got your moral compass at an antiques shop or you've recently headbutted a moving cargo train or something but that's really no excuse to cling to this moronic value system.

I don't see the point in answering a premeditated murder with a premeditated murder. That's just savage, not to mention a total mixed message. "Quisnam fungor carnifex"

Maybe if you read the forum whilst actually thinking rather than jerking your knee and ignorantly jobating on subjects about which you know very little (that is, everything) like the hunchbrained dick castle that you are, then you would know why this statement is basically emotionalist tripe. Simply refusing to engage in the same chilling bloodthirst as you with as much relish does not, in fact, constitute wholehearted commendation of murder and rape. This whole fucking exercise, arguing with you, is like playing whack-a-mole except it's "whack-a-twatty-ill-formed-opinion-made-by-a-boorish-bellend" and for every twatty, ill-formed opinion made by a boorish bellend we knock down you manage to make two more.

how can I respond to that? it's just a bunch of unstringed insults with no coherence written like an emotional plea (yet you talk to me about "knee-jerking"...).

also, I noticed you ignored me when I asked if Ho Chi Minh, Trotsky, and Lenin had "raging hard-ons for state sponsored violence" (since they all believed in the death penalty) but I'll just take that as cognitive dissonance.

[Jazzratt]

also, I noticed you ignored me when I asked if Ho Chi Minh, Trotsky, and Lenin had "raging hard-ons for state sponsored violence" (since they all believed in the death penalty) but I'll just take that as cognitive dissonance. Listen you fucking dickhead. I was reply to one post at a time. While 9 did have that covered I should point out that the capitalist state and a revolutionary army are worlds apart, as an anarchist though I do think they were (to a greater or lesser extent) raging pricks anyway. Also I do, in fact support the death penalty in a post revolutionary society (hence my comments about it as a last resort method for excising intolerable threats meaning in practice it would be very rarely be used). Finally it behoves me to point out that you're still an ignorant knobhead.

[Adi Shankara]

Listen you fucking dickhead. I was reply to one post at a time. While 9 did have that covered I should point out that the capitalist state and a revolutionary army are worlds apart, as an anarchist though I do think they were (to a greater or lesser extent) raging pricks anyway. Also I do, in fact support the death penalty in a post revolutionary society (hence my comments about it as a last resort method for excising intolerable threats meaning in practice it would be very rarely be used). Finally it behoves me to point out that you're still an ignorant knobhead.

I'll let that speak for itself. I don't think I need to comment anymore, as people can come to their own conclusions on what you just wrote and how condscendingly hypocritical it comes off as.

[FreeFocus]

lol. shit gets real in Chit Chat.

[Blackscare]

As a guy that once claimed in a thread (and still plays with the idea) that in order for a society to truly be free capital punishment should be the only direct punishment for crime aside from exclusion, I think you're going a little too far here Sankara. I'd just let sleeping dogs lie, think about it, and maybe come back to this thread in a few weeks if you have any revelations.

[Adi Shankara]

As a guy that once claimed in a thread (and still plays with the idea) that in order for a society to truly be free capital punishment should be the only direct punishment for crime aside from exclusion, I think you're going a little too far here Sankara. I'd just let sleeping dogs lie, think about it, and maybe come back to this thread in a few weeks if you have any revelations.

Yeah I'm done in this thread. I seem to start controversy too much. and I'm not even trolling, I guess I'm just an asshole when it comes to presenting ideas.

[Jazzratt]

I'll let that speak for itself. I don't think I need to comment anymore, as people can come to their own conclusions on what you just wrote and how condscendingly hypocritical it comes off as. It's not hypocritical you semi-literate cretin. I think that Lenin et al. are pricks as a function of their ideolgies and practices being inherently inimical to working class emancipation, not simply because they enacted the death penalty (which often would be excusable given the context) so it's not relevent that I later say I support the death penalty (in a post-revolutionary context and in extremely rare and precise circumstances.) If you weren't such an imbecile I'm sure you would have understood this.

Anyway, some of us actually have work in the morning so fuck you and good night.

[Jazzratt]

I guess I'm just an asshole Finally, a non-controversial statement by TS.

[Adi Shankara]

Anyway, some of us actually have work in the morning so fuck you and good night.

it's only 9 PM here (Edit: no, it's 7PM) :P lol not trying to be a dick, just saying.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd just let sleeping dogs lie

LOL, I don't think that saying really applies to this thread, at this point.

[Blackscare]

LOL, I don't think that saying really applies to this thread, at this point.


How about this:

Have this particular dog euthanized and bury in in the backyard next to the cat.

[AK]

how does making her live in a 9x10 box for the rest of her life make it better? both inflict pain.
Rehabilitation, not punishment. I realise that punishment does fuck all.

[Raúl Duke]

Alyssa sounds like a sociopathic/psychopathic killer...although basing that off on that she supposedly gave the reason “I wanted to know what it felt like” for the alleged murder
She should go see a psychologist or something.


online users take her side

The internet is full of fucked up people...it's no surprise.

[bcbm]

hunchbrained dick castle

:lol:

[synthesis]

:lol:

Yeah, that was a good one.

[FreeFocus]

I don't often like what Jazzratt says, but "semi-literate cretin" made me LOL hard.

[Robocommie]

How about this:

Have this particular dog euthanized and bury in in the backyard next to the cat.

Why should we bury the dog when we can eat it...

[Dimentio]

I guess the Bustamante fanclub is mostly consisting of males, while the females are those who most vigorously would call for her execution. Usually, with prolific male offenders, its the other way around.

I could just say that this is tragical. But no matter how bad you feel or how young you are, to murder and cut a nine year old child is really fucked up. Bustamante needs to be put into a psychiatric clinic.

I kinda like Thomas Sankara, he's at least passionate about his beliefs.

As for Bustamante, I think she's hating herself and wants to be destroyed. Children like that often have very self-destructive, dark and suicidal tendencies - what people 300 years ago would have called "demons". I remember a guy in Sweden one year ago who stabbed and dismembered 20 cats and 1 dog and bragged on an internet forum how he wanted to rape and kill girls for dissing him (that which got him caught eventually). What is provoking such actions is generally a sense of powerlessness and a hate directed at the self for not fulfilling one's own ideals. In short, a coctail of narcissism, bad self-esteem, sadism, sado-masochism, hatred against the entire world and a cultural environment supportive of these tendencies. I've known many people with such personalities.

http://www.nyhetsverket.se/uploads/piaber/394659692a46258b45a99f1424ea3571250858526540.jpg
The cat killer

What I think people like Joel Ander or Alyssa Bustamante are needing is for society to recognise if they are feeling bad, and people coming forward to talk with them. Western society in general is very cold and demanding against people. If Bustamante had had a friend whom she could have talked to about her destructive tendencies and would have supported her, maybe Elizabeth Olden would still have been alive today. Its important to catch such people young - when they passed the treshold of killing it is very hard to turn them.

Thus, to execute Bustamante would be to somehow grant her her wish - to be destroyed.

[nuisance]

Some fucked up ****s in this thread.

[Wanted Man]

Sociopaths can, however, be kept in humane conditions where the threat they posed is minimised and they may even be given ways to contribute usefully to society. Jesus fuck, you ignorant asshole. Anyway, it's not really relevent if she isn't a sociopath is it you waste of flesh.

Yes. Yes you do. You fucking freak.

Purely retributive "like for like" punishment is going the way of the dod for good reason. Maybe you got your moral compass at an antiques shop or you've recently headbutted a moving cargo train or something but that's really no excuse to cling to this moronic value system.

I don't see the point in answering a premeditated murder with a premeditated murder. That's just savage, not to mention a total mixed message. "Quisnam fungor carnifex"

Maybe if you read the forum whilst actually thinking rather than jerking your knee and ignorantly jobating on subjects about which you know very little (that is, everything) like the hunchbrained dick castle that you are, then you would know why this statement is basically emotionalist tripe. Simply refusing to engage in the same chilling bloodthirst as you with as much relish does not, in fact, constitute wholehearted commendation of murder and rape. This whole fucking exercise, arguing with you, is like playing whack-a-mole except it's "whack-a-twatty-ill-formed-opinion-made-by-a-boorish-bellend" and for every twatty, ill-formed opinion made by a boorish bellend we knock down you manage to make two more.

Good old-fashioned Jazzratt. :lol:

[synthesis]

tragical

:thumbup1:

edit: I guess that is a word after all. Douchebag fail on my part.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

She sounds like a perfect test subject on the effects of long-term tranquiliser usage.

[Revolte_Wolf]

Lets simple this down a bit shall we?

1.) girl killed someone

2.) girl was 15

3.) girl has some serious issues she can't deal with


Lets not bullshit around, if you havent gone through times in your life that you where a tickin' tickin' tickin' time bomb, well, you have (or so I would assume). This doesn't excuse her actions, but it gives a reason for them. You can off the girl, throw her in jail for the rest of her life and never think twice about it or why it even happend, therefor never making a step to preventing these kinds of events in the future, OR you can think about why she did what she did, what led her to take part in something like murder. Unless she is physcopathic, then I doubt there is a simple (yeah, contradiction I know) answer to why she did what she did.

You can kill off people, throw 'em in cages and whatever else, but that won't change anything will it?