I'm so blessed to have my life! god is amazing!

[R_P_A_S]

Every day I'm more and more convinced that people with religious faith and their belief in god are not as connected to the real world or as humble as they might think they are.

Yes I know there are all sorts of charities that help with money and do more outreaching but we all know here that the answer to the injustices and gap between rich and poor will not be fixed with charity...

People's statuses on Facebook have made me more aware of this. It annoys me a bit when some of my friends say shit like,

"So thankful for my life! GOD IS GREAT"

"I love my life and every moment in it. God has blessed me with great friends"

"When life gets tough just stay positive, god is good!"

Since 2006 I've been aware of class struggle and more and more knowledgeable of our economic, political and social system. I also stop depending on religion and my belief in god.

Being a leftist has made me more conscious and it has humble me GREATLY.
I know most of you might think it's not a big deal that my friends say these things but fuck.. I can't help to think of the slaves that still exists. Children who are born in war torn cities, sexual violence as a weapon of war and all the people who are less fortunate who will never have the privilege to post on their facebook status how fucking amazing life is or how blessed they feel.

As a class conscious member of this society I feel that forever I will be humble because every day I'm reminded of how unfair society is and how there's no after life to make up for the shit some people are handed for "a life". I truly believe that being stuck in your ways and growing old with the notion of god and religion will make self righteous and blissful.

I don't know if this makes sense. I'm just pissed out... :mad:

[Adi Shankara]

cool story bro

ITT: post #149123 of someone bashing religious people (maybe even religious proletariat) in hopes of getting some back slapping and shoulder patting


Children who are born in war torn cities, sexual violence as a weapon of war and all the people who are less fortunate who will never have the privilege to post on their facebook status how fucking amazing life is or how blessed they feel.

So how Ironic, that the people of the so-called "third world" are usually the most religious of all, eh?

[Invincible Summer]

cool story bro

ITT: post #149123 of someone bashing religious people (maybe even religious proletariat) in hopes of getting some back slapping and shoulder patting


I hate this passive-aggressive jab at anti-theist commies that basically accuses them of being anti-working class.




So how Ironic, that the people of the so-called "third world" are usually the most religious of all, eh?
Which is what I don't get. How can they believe in god (for the religions that believe in a god) when their conditions are and have been shitty for ages? Or are they all just really bitter about it?

[NecroCommie]

In the third world religion is used to fill in the gap that the inadequate education has left. The state cares not for the poor, so the churches of all the world descend like vultures in order to "save their souls". So when you only have one story to choose from, what are you going to do?

[Widerstand]

Which is what I don't get. How can they believe in god (for the religions that believe in a god) when their conditions are and have been shitty for ages? Or are they all just really bitter about it?

Because they hope for afterlife? For some explanation for their suffering? I believe there was some argument that it's easier to accept misfortune if you can blame it on some higher power testing/punishing you, rather than it just happening because of random chance.

[Chambered Word]

I can't stand overly-happy people. Yeah sure, life can be fucking awesome sometimes, but you don't need to tell everyone on Facebook about it constantly. Go get a hobby.

[Ovi]

Which is what I don't get. How can they believe in god (for the religions that believe in a god) when their conditions are and have been shitty for ages?
Maybe it's natural to seek justice? And many have been fooled into seeking justice in god. Afterlife will be so wonderful if you're good, but if you're not, like that evil boss who pays you shit, you'll go to hell. So stop complaining and get back to work; god will take care of everything.

[R_P_A_S]

I think I'm just too damn logical and rational for my own good. I see the parallels you know?

My buddy was posting about waiting in line for the new iPhone and automatically my mind thinks.. "damn people in haiti or in rural parts of the world stand in line days for water and this fool does it for a fucking phone."

It's like this constantly... Before I go to bed, not every night BUT at least 3 or 4 times a week I think of the people who are probably being raped or torture in conflicts going on around the world.

I can't never EVER complaint about anything really or rub it in peoples faces how blessed and great life is while all that shit is going around. I mean I get happy and love having a great time but I'm always conscious of these things going on in the world. eh

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Every day I'm more and more convinced that people with religious faith and their belief in god are not as connected to the real world or as humble as they might think they are.

Yes I know there are all sorts of charities that help with money and do more outreaching but we all know here that the answer to the injustices and gap between rich and poor will not be fixed with charity...

People's statuses on Facebook have made me more aware of this. It annoys me a bit when some of my friends say shit like,

"So thankful for my life! GOD IS GREAT"

"I love my life and every moment in it. God has blessed me with great friends"

"When life gets tough just stay positive, god is good!"

Since 2006 I've been aware of class struggle and more and more knowledgeable of our economic, political and social system. I also stop depending on religion and my belief in god.

Being a leftist has made me more conscious and it has humble me GREATLY.
I know most of you might think it's not a big deal that my friends say these things but fuck.. I can't help to think of the slaves that still exists. Children who are born in war torn cities, sexual violence as a weapon of war and all the people who are less fortunate who will never have the privilege to post on their facebook status how fucking amazing life is or how blessed they feel.

As a class conscious member of this society I feel that forever I will be humble because every day I'm reminded of how unfair society is and how there's no after life to make up for the shit some people are handed for "a life". I truly believe that being stuck in your ways and growing old with the notion of god and religion will make self righteous and blissful.

I don't know if this makes sense. I'm just pissed out... :mad:

Good post. I have family members who are constantly talking about how "blessed" they are. I know one person who was barely getting by, had been fired from several jobs, and was struggling to avoid homelessness, who kept telling everyone one how much "God blessed her".

I have nothing at all against people with a religious belief. There is no reason why religious people couldn't make good communists. On the other hand organized religion in the US has gotten way too much of a free pass. People talk about their "faith community" or "faith tradition"as if implying this is something beyond criticism.Its healthy to criticize and to an extent even mock religion.

The Christian fundamentalist movement has done enormous damage to US society and to the rest of the world. It should be called out on this-whipping up homophobic hysteria in Africa and elsewhere, denying women reproductive freedom, restricting the right of students to learn about sexuality, biology, and the scientific method. At the same time its important to understand and empathize with the reasons why people are drawn to religion.

BTW, a minor point. My family still has the custom of saying "God bless you" every time someone sneezes. This doesn't have religious implications, its just to show concern for someone's health, but its awkward and silly. One of the great things about socialist organizations is that people don't have to say that crap.

[empiredestoryer]

religion is dieing and we should thank GOD for that ha ha

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I think I'm just too damn logical and rational for my own good. I see the parallels you know?

My buddy was posting about waiting in line for the new iPhone and automatically my mind thinks.. "damn people in haiti or in rural parts of the world stand in line days for water and this fool does it for a fucking phone."

It's like this constantly... Before I go to bed, not every night BUT at least 3 or 4 times a week I think of the people who are probably being raped or torture in conflicts going on around the world.

I can't never EVER complaint about anything really or rub it in peoples faces how blessed and great life is while all that shit is going around. I mean I get happy and love having a great time but I'm always conscious of these things going on in the world. eh

You're a compassionate person with a strong sense of social justice. You don't have to feel guilty for living in a First World country, its a lucky accident of birth, but we can use whatever priveleges we might have as tools or weapons in the global class struggle.

[R_P_A_S]

You're a compassionate person with a strong sense of social justice. You don't have to feel guilty for living in a First World country, its a lucky accident of birth, but we can use whatever priveleges we might have as tools or weapons in the global class struggle.

Thanks! This is why I feel that we are all just a big giant fucking accident. Life in general. Just how it came to be. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean to try and make something great out of something that was an accident should be something to look forward to. I do, every day... The fact that I can sit here and write to you guys and not worry about where my next bite to eat is going to come from truly is amazing. BUT that Palestinian kid who's worried about a bomb dropping on his house, I'm always thinking of him or her.

I know that might sound lame or cliche but It's all i can really do, besides teach others and try to make them aware. (for now)

[danyboy27]

You're a compassionate person with a strong sense of social justice. You don't have to feel guilty for living in a First World country, its a lucky accident of birth, but we can use whatever priveleges we might have as tools or weapons in the global class struggle.
i would thank you for this post.

to the OP: i used to believe in god and i must say my life is way better since i dont believe, it feel good to be aware of the control you have over your own life, i think more rationally when facing hard times.

there was that weird in between period when i was like, just fucking angry, beccause of all the injustice and horrible things, beccause the only sedative, comfort and hope for those people was all gone overnight.

but now i must say, i am happy.

[Pavlov's House Party]

You're a compassionate person with a strong sense of social justice. You don't have to feel guilty for living in a First World country, its a lucky accident of birth, but we can use whatever priveleges we might have as tools or weapons in the global class struggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

[Adi Shankara]

Which is what I don't get. How can they believe in god (for the religions that believe in a god) when their conditions are and have been shitty for ages? Or are they all just really bitter about it?

Because the belief in gods or goddesses or religion or an afterlife isn't entirely based in rewards or boons. some people, esp in African religions, believe in higher powers that are narcissistic and don't provide boons.

[Invincible Summer]

Because the belief in gods or goddesses or religion or an afterlife isn't entirely based in rewards or boons. some people, esp in African religions, believe in higher powers that are narcissistic and don't provide boons.

What's the point in that? It's like an abusive relationship

[Obs]

Which is what I don't get. How can they believe in god (for the religions that believe in a god) when their conditions are and have been shitty for ages? Or are they all just really bitter about it?

Opium of the masses, soul of soulless conditions, halo of the vale of tears, etc.

[Adi Shankara]

What's the point in that? It's like an abusive relationship

Maybe so, but god is as real them as he is as fake to you.

I'm beginning to think that everything that is subjective really is impossible to ever come to a solid conclusion on.

[this is an invasion]

Religion is the opiate of the masses.


Because it eases the suffering of the material world.

[Jazzratt]

Maybe so, but god is as real them as he is as fake as you.

I'm beginning to think that everything that is subjective really is impossible to ever come to a solid conclusion on. Gods aren't subjective though, are they? Claiming the existance of a god, of any level of power, is an objective and material claim about the universe no matter how you slice it. The god is either real or it isn't, nothing concrete is created or destroyed through belief.

[Adi Shankara]

Gods aren't subjective though, are they? Claiming the existance of a god, of any level of power, is an objective and material claim about the universe no matter how you slice it. The god is either real or it isn't, nothing concrete is created or destroyed through belief.

But isn't that a dialectical materialist view? and dialectical materialism nor Hegel is universal amongst Marxists, which is a few of them are religious believers.

[NecroCommie]

No, that's just the empirical view.

[Adi Shankara]

No, that's just the empirical view.

but what about things that can't be defined materially? using the material view, things such as memories, minds other than our own, the concept of pre-life, etc. are completely non-existent.

I think that's my only bone to pick with materialism, is that it really ignores the largely subjective nature of mind and personal experience.

[Rousedruminations]

Religion is just a way to ease the pain and suffering this world has to offer. I think education of the mind can free us from all suffering as our mental faculties are objectified. I'll refer to Robert Owen (Owenites) and the wiki link that supports his thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen

Robert Owen (14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858), (born in Newtown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown,_Powys), Montgomeryshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomeryshire), Wales), was a social reformer and one of the founders of socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) and the cooperative movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_movement).

Owen's philosophy was based on three intellectual pillars:

First, no one was responsible for his will and his own actions because his whole character is formed independently of himself; people are products of their environment, hence his support for education and labour reform, rendering him a pioneer in human capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital) investment.

Second, all religions are based on the same ridiculous imagination, that make man a weak, imbecile animal; a furious bigot and fanatic; or a miserable hypocrite; (though in his later years he embraced Spiritualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism_%28religious_movement%29)).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen#cite_note-ohara-0)

Third, support for the putting-out system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putting-out_system) instead of the factory system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_system)

[Mindtoaster]

http://i.imgur.com/t831M.jpg

[Adi Shankara]

http://i.imgur.com/t831M.jpg

you know, it's funny I don't even think christianity promises material rewards to followers; I thought that was all Pat Robertson preaching etc. but I don't know too much about Christianity, so I don't really know.

[R_P_A_S]

you know, it's funny I don't even think christianity promises material rewards to followers; I thought that was all Pat Robertson preaching etc. but I don't know too much about Christianity, so I don't really know.

this is exactly HOW I FEEL! man.. i swear when I hear people thanking god for the dumbest shit... I picture that starving child.

[NecroCommie]

but what about things that can't be defined materially? using the material view, things such as memories, minds other than our own, the concept of pre-life, etc. are completely non-existent.
Empirical, not material view. Empiricism has helped us form extensive understanding of extremely complex non-material concepts such as behaviour of gravity, interaction of humans, chemistry, evolution, newtonian mechanics, and I could go on for the rest of the day. Actually, it is only through empiricism that we can know anything about things that are not absolute, and as it happens absolute things are relatively rare. For example math is absolutely true, as are some things about languages.


I think that's my only bone to pick with materialism, is that it really ignores the largely subjective nature of mind and personal experience. If you are still talking about empiricism, then I can only say that mind and personal experience cannot alter reality. They can only affect how you perceive reality, but it is only reality that matters, not your perception of it.

[Raúl Duke]

http://i.imgur.com/t831M.jpg

:lol:


this is exactly HOW I FEEL! man.. i swear when I hear people thanking god for the dumbest shit... I picture that starving child.

There's also the issue on how when something good happens they attribute it to god (instead of...whatever else it could be) yet when something bad happens they don't, they attribute it to circumstances, the devil, or outright ignore the god equation.

[Franz Fanonipants]

You guys are literally children w/children's understanding of religion.

Of course, most religious people have a pretty facile understanding of religion, too.

So basically you're made for each other.

e. "i am so traumatized now that i know people starve to death! fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuu"

this thread = #firstworldproblems

e. of e. when dealing with ridiculous holy rollers, always always rely on this quote from Matthew 6:5

"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward."

[Spawn of Stalin]

Why would anyone want to quote Bible passages when debunking religion and exposing its raw idiocy? That's just silly.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Why would anyone want to quote Bible passages when debunking religion and exposing its raw idiocy? That's just silly.

Because you're dealing with people who work in that framework. It's literally an injunction against what they're doing within the basis for their beliefs.

e. lol are you mad cus you slept fitfully beneath the gaze of comrade stalin bruh?

[NecroCommie]

You still don't understand, why quote anything in that framework when we are trying to prove that the framework is not only false but potentially harmful?