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The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 04:09
By EVA GOLINGER- POSTCARDS FROM THE REVOLUTION, July 25th 2010

Caracas, July 24, 2010 – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced this Saturday US plans to attack his country and overthrow his government. During a ceremony celebrating the 227th birthday of Independence hero Simon Bolivar, Chavez read from a secret memo he had been sent from an unnamed source inside the United States.

“Old friend, I haven’t seen you in years. As I said to you in my three prior letters, the idea remains the generation of a conflict on your western border”, read Chavez from the secret missive.

“The latest events confirm all, or almost all, of what those here discussed as well as other information that I have obtained from above”, the letter continued.

“The preparation phase in the international community, with the help of Colombia, is in plain execution”, manifested the text, referring to last Thursday’s session in the Organization of American States (OAS), during which the Colombia government accused Venezuela of harboring “terrorists” and “terrorist training camps” and gave the Chavez government a “30-day ultimatum” to allow for international intervention.

The letter continued with more details, “I told you before that the events wouldn’t begin before the 26th, but for some reason they have moved forward several actions that were supposed to be executed afterward”.

“In the United States, the execution phase is accelerating, together with a contention force, as they call it, towards Costa Rica with the pretext of fighting drug trafficking”.

On July 1, the Costan Rican government authorized 46 US war ships and 7,000 marines into their maritime and land territory.
The true objective of this military mobilization, said the letter, is to “support military operations” against Venezuela.

ASSASSINATION AND OVERTHROW

“There is an agreement between Colombia and the US with two objectives: one is Mauricio and the other is the overthrow of the government”, revealed the document. President Chavez explained that “Mauricio” is a pseudynom used in these communications.

“The military operation is going to happen”, warned the text, “and those from the north will do it, but not directly in Caracas”.
“They will hunt ‘Mauricio’ down outside Caracas, this is very important, I repeat, this is very important”.

President Chavez revealed that he had received similar letters from the same source alerting him to dangerous threats. He received one right before the capture of more than 100 Colombian paramilitaries in the outskirts of Caracas that were part of an assassination plan against the Venezuelan head of state, and another in 2002, just days before the coup d’etat that briefly outsted him from power. “The letter warned of snipers and the coup”, explained Chavez, “and it was right, the information was true, but we were unable to act to prevent it”.

US MILITARY EXPANSION

This information comes on the heels of the decision last Thursday to break relations between Colombia and Venezuela, made by President Chavez after Colombia’s “show” in the OAS.

“Uribe is capable of anything”, warned Chavez, announcing that the country was on maximum altert and the borders were being reinforced.

Last October, Colombia and the US signed a military agreement permitting the US to occupy seven Colombian bases and to use all Colombian territory as needed to complete missions. One of the bases in the agreement, Palanquero, was cited in May 2009 US Air Force documents as necessary to “conduct full spectrum military operations” in South America and combat the threat of “anti-US governments” in the region.

Palanquero was also signaled as critical to the Pentagon’s Global Mobility Strategy, as outlined in the February 2009 White Paper: Air Mobility Command Global En Route Strategy, “USSOUTHCOM has identified Palanquero, Colombia (German Olano Airfield SKPQ), as a cooperative security location (CSL). From this location nearly half of the continent can be covered by a C-17 without refueling”.

The 2010 Pentagon budget included a $46 million USD request to improve the installations at Palanquero, in order to support the Command Combatant’s “Theater Posture Strategy” and “provide for a unique opportunity for full spectrum operations in a critical sub region of our hemisphere where security and stability is under constant threat from narcotics funded terrorist insurgencies, anti-US governments, endemic poverty and recurring natural disasters”.

The May 2009 Air Force document further added that Palanquero would be used to “increase our capacity to conduct Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR), improve global reach…and expand expeditionary warfare capability”.

In February 2010, the US National Directorate of Intelligence (NDI) classified Venezuela as “Anti-US Leader” in the region in its annual threat assessment.

The US also maintains forward operation locations (small military bases) in Aruba and Curazao, just miles off the Venezuelan coast. In recent months, the Venezuelan government has denounced unauthorized incursions of drone planes and other military aircraft into Venezuelan territory, originating from the US bases.

These latest revelations evidence that a serious, and unjustified conflict is brewing fast against Venezuela, a country with a vibrant democracy and the largest oil reserves in the world.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5521

Buffalo Souljah
26th July 2010, 04:53
a country with a vibrant democracy and the largest oil reserves in the world.http://faqshop.com/images/lightbulb.gif

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 04:55
^ Yes yes, we all know. You're an anarchist, Chavez is not, & so because of that, there's no way in hell that he can have a democracy & have a working class revolution..blah blah blah. We've heard it all before. Next please.

Hexen
26th July 2010, 05:01
So the U.S. wants to attack Iran, North Korea, and now Venezuela? *facepalms* The U.S. is most likely is going to start WWIII by the looks of things.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 05:06
So the U.S. wants to attack Iran, North Korea, and now Venezuela? *facepalms* The U.S. is most likely is going to start WWIII by the looks of things.

They're stupid if they try & attack the DPRK. Though, I have a feeling that Iran will face a war by the US through secretive means. I pointed this out here (http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/the-secret-war-to-come-the-war-on-iran/). And when it comes to Venezuela, I can definitely see this happening. Though, I hope the Venezuelan people are ready to defend what all they've fought for. There'll be a huge international solidarity movement in support of Venezuela if the US attacks.

gorillafuck
26th July 2010, 05:32
Caracas, July 24, 2010 – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced this Saturday US plans to attack his country and overthrow his government. During a ceremony celebrating the 227th birthday of Independence hero Simon Bolivar, Chavez read from a secret memo he had been sent from an unnamed source inside the United States.
I would not be surprised but to be honest I cannot say I am convinced that this is true.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 05:35
I would not be surprised but to be honest I cannot say I am convinced that this is true.

I may not happen, but from how many governments the US has overthrown or funded an overthrow of, it won't surprise me one bit that the US will try & attack Venezuela.

gorillafuck
26th July 2010, 05:39
I may not happen, but from how many governments the US has overthrown or funded an overthrow of, it won't surprise me one bit that the US will try & attack Venezuela.
It would not surprise me if there was some sort of plan written up but it would extremely surprise me if the US actually invaded. Some people seem to forget that US war makers aren't oblivious to the fact that the US war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan are failing and that an invasion of Venezuela would be catastrophic. They know that.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 05:44
It would not surprise me if there was some sort of plan written up but it would extremely surprise me if the US actually invaded. Some people seem to forget that US war makers aren't oblivious to the fact that the US war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan are failing and that an invasion of Venezuela would be catastrophic. They know that.

They could always fund Colombia's military in doing so. Doesn't seem too far fetched.

Hexen
26th July 2010, 05:53
I think it's possible that the U.S. is just a crumbling empire about to collapse anytime.

Nolan
26th July 2010, 05:55
Any imperialist war in South America will be through a proxy such as Chile, Colombia, Brazil, or Peru.

Chimurenga.
26th July 2010, 06:04
I think it's possible that the U.S. is just a crumbling empire about to collapse anytime.

No it isn't.

I believe that this attempt at overthrow is a very real possibility and it would be at a good time. With the whole conflict with the DPRK being blown out of proportion, US's ties to a military overthrow in Venezuela would probably be kept out of the mainstream news for a while.

t.shonku
26th July 2010, 06:40
I stand beside Chavez.

Nachie
26th July 2010, 06:41
Any imperialist war in South America will be through a proxy such as Chile, Colombia, Brazil, or Peru.

More like Colombia, Panama, or potentially Honduras or even Paraguay.

Also Venezuela doesn't have the largest oil reserves in the world. Where is that information coming from? If you combined ALL their possible hydrocarbon reserves (oil, natural gas, coal) then and only then would they be in the running for largest reserves in the world.

t.shonku
26th July 2010, 06:44
They're stupid if they try & attack the DPRK. Though, I have a feeling that Iran will face a war by the US through secretive means. I pointed this out here (http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/the-secret-war-to-come-the-war-on-iran/). And when it comes to Venezuela, I can definitely see this happening. Though, I hope the Venezuelan people are ready to defend what all they've fought for. There'll be a huge international solidarity movement in support of Venezuela if the US attacks.

I agree with you completely.

There might be a Latino revolution who knows,we may see Lationos in Broklyn
tearing up everything.Besides Latinos in US are angry bcoz of Arizona race laws

What Would Durruti Do?
26th July 2010, 07:12
blessing in disguise? maybe those workers militias could actually start using their guns to take down capitalism if they got invaded.

Andropov
26th July 2010, 09:32
Its hilarious they actually had the gall to mention 'combating narcotics'.
Anyone who has any knowledge of the context in Colombia knows that it is the Colombian and Yankee supported para's that control the multi-billion drug industry, specifically the AUC.
If the US and Colombia invade Venezuala it will destabilise the whole region with FARC-EP still as strong as ever and the possibility of Morales, Correa and Raul Castro coming to Venezuala's aid and even the likes of Lula may side with Venezuala to one degree or another.

Ligeia
26th July 2010, 10:07
Chavez was invited by Raul Castro to hold a speech for the 26.7. but had to decline yesterday because of the possible threats and unstable situation.
I also might add that Chavez suggested that he thinks even people in Colombia and segments of the colombian military (that he knows) would react if they'd invaded Venezuela or anything like that.

I don't think that there'll be a straight-forward attack or invasion soon.The UNASUR will have a meeting to discuss this, at the moment, I can't imagine what the colombian government could do to discredit UNASUR efforts and escalate the situation.
Let's wait.

Uribe just praised the military and police for the mass grave in Macarena, calling the european-send investigators terrorists. He also said the final victory isn't far away.:blink:

Andropov
26th July 2010, 12:07
He also said the final victory isn't far away.:blink:
Utter nonsense, he must constantly emphasise that FARC-EP is somehow on the ropes in order to justify the exorbitant sums plowed into the Colombian military and the free reign that the sadists in the para's and AUC are given.
Its why you have the Colombian military and the Para's rounding up homeless people and the like and executing them in FARC-EP uniforms to boost publicity.
Until I see some evidence to the contrary then Uribe's rantings can be dismissed for the irrelevant propaganda that they are.

NecroCommie
26th July 2010, 13:01
An open conflict would be a political and possibly military suicide for the US, even through a proxy. It would clearly present the latin american masses with a battle line, polarizing the politics of the entire continent. No doubt to the advantage of the left.

If there will be an aggression, it will be a covert one.

maskerade
26th July 2010, 13:09
Though I would not be surprised if the US did invade Venezuela through a proxy, I don't think they would be able to maintain three fronts at one time.

and lets not forget Chavez's relationship with Iran, perhaps Tehran will escalate the conflict in Iraq if Venezuela is invaded (highly doubtful, but you never know)

Ligeia
26th July 2010, 15:22
Until I see some evidence to the contrary then Uribe's rantings can be dismissed for the irrelevant propaganda that they are.
I know. Don't you think I believe what he says, but I was pretty shocked about his comments on the mass grave though it is a comment you could expect, it's still brutally cruel.

Considering that there had been a little invasion in Ecuador's territory without military consequences and a coup in Honduras without any betterment of the situation, anything is possible. Even a diplomatic cooling or an invasion or an attack on Chavez.
Anyway, it's difficult to analyse this situation.

pranabjyoti
26th July 2010, 16:27
They're stupid if they try & attack the DPRK. Though, I have a feeling that Iran will face a war by the US through secretive means. I pointed this out here (http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/the-secret-war-to-come-the-war-on-iran/). And when it comes to Venezuela, I can definitely see this happening. Though, I hope the Venezuelan people are ready to defend what all they've fought for. There'll be a huge international solidarity movement in support of Venezuela if the US attacks.
But at least I want this protest to be well organized and I want arrangements so that volunteers worldwide can go to Venezuela and help Venezuelan people by standing beside them firmly. Just organizing protests before US embassies worldwide wouldn't be enough. Venezuela have a population of just 27 million, volunteers worldwide can help Venezuela a lot.

NecroCommie
26th July 2010, 16:35
Venezuela has such a popular government that it can easily field large armies if necessary. This is ofcourse provided that weapons, technology and training are in abundance, which they are not. Venezuela does not lack manpower, but equipment and highly trained personnel.

pranabjyoti
26th July 2010, 16:52
Venezuela has such a popular government that it can easily field large armies if necessary. This is of course provided that weapons, technology and training are in abundance, which they are not. Venezuela does not lack manpower, but equipment and highly trained personnel.
27 million is just little more than 1/0th of US population, which 250 million. Moreover, there are other armies from NATO member countries that may join. Kindly also note that those volunteers may help Venezuela in other aspects too. As for example, Venezuelan army have little or no experience regarding guerrilla warfare, volunteers adept in this aspect can be found worldwide now. Moreover, in case of a retreat to hilly regions, they can set arms factory with endogenous materials available. Moreover, they can open another front that will cause more trouble to the attacking enemy.
Kindly also note that they can bring totally new ideas which can be much more beneficial to Venezuela. One of the root causes of advancement of US in the field of science and technology is the fact that IT HAS AN INFLOW OF SCIENTISTS AND TECHNOCRATS WORLDWIDE FOR A LONG TIME. That can be true for Venezuela too. In my opinion, when I have friends who can fight beside me, then fighting alone is ridiculous.

jake williams
26th July 2010, 17:15
I'm sure there are plans - potential plans - partly because the Pentagon has way more money than it needs, even to occupy the entire fucking planet, and so they make plans in part just to give mid-level administrators something to do. Also, they don't like the Venezuelan government, for obvious reasons. So the plans certainly exist, but it doesn't look like their implementation is imminent.

empiredestoryer
26th July 2010, 17:18
i like the black stuff GUINESS that is...the u.s.a likes the black stuff too OIL that is

Fietsketting
26th July 2010, 17:26
This thread sounds like a Meeting of the Generals of Staff and the same amount of bullshit is being spilled. You lot would do great at playing games like Warhammer! :rolleyes:

http://www.g4g.it/g4g/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/warhammer_mighty_empires_01.jpg
:D

danyboy27
26th July 2010, 17:46
i received a message from a nigerian king last week about a big fortune he would give me if i lended to him 20 000 so he can retreive his million from a swiss bank account.

just beccause someone tell you something dosnt mean its true, and the ''source'' of chavez might just be some kind of U.S governement official messing with his head.

i am not saying its not gonna happen, but i just find it odd that a politician make such strong claim beccause a guy tolh him so.

scarletghoul
26th July 2010, 17:57
Chavez is not an idiot.

danyboy27
26th July 2010, 18:06
Chavez is not an idiot.

you are right, he is a politician...

bricolage
26th July 2010, 18:45
The US is bogged down in unpopular wars in the middle of poor economic times, I find it very unlikely that they will try and invade another country.

NecroCommie
26th July 2010, 18:46
27 million is just little more than 1/0th of US population, which 250 million. Moreover, there are other armies from NATO member countries that may join. Kindly also note that those volunteers may help Venezuela in other aspects too. As for example, Venezuelan army have little or no experience regarding guerrilla warfare, volunteers adept in this aspect can be found worldwide now. Moreover, in case of a retreat to hilly regions, they can set arms factory with endogenous materials available. Moreover, they can open another front that will cause more trouble to the attacking enemy.
Kindly also note that they can bring totally new ideas which can be much more beneficial to Venezuela. One of the root causes of advancement of US in the field of science and technology is the fact that IT HAS AN INFLOW OF SCIENTISTS AND TECHNOCRATS WORLDWIDE FOR A LONG TIME. That can be true for Venezuela too. In my opinion, when I have friends who can fight beside me, then fighting alone is ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, volunteers can help alot. It's just that what are you gonna arm those volunteers with? Venezuela has more need of weapons and experts than manpower.

bricolage
26th July 2010, 18:56
you are right, he is a politician...

Indeed, and claiming you are about to be attacked by a bigger more powerful state has often been used to whip up domestic support for a smaller, less powerful state...
Just one suggestion.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 19:11
But at least I want this protest to be well organized and I want arrangements so that volunteers worldwide can go to Venezuela and help Venezuelan people by standing beside them firmly. Just organizing protests before US embassies worldwide wouldn't be enough. Venezuela have a population of just 27 million, volunteers worldwide can help Venezuela a lot.

Oh, trust me, I've wanted to leave for Venezuela, especially during these heated times, to try & help, but if the attacks begin & people from America try leaving for Venezuela, we'd be prevented. That's what I wonder.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 19:12
you are right, he is a politician...

Yep, he's a politician & you're the idiot. An annoying one.

bricolage
26th July 2010, 19:13
Oh, trust me, I've wanted to leave for Venezuela, especially during these heated times, to try & help, but if the attacks begin & people from America try leaving for Venezuela, we'd be prevented. That's what I wonder.

I assume you are fluent in Spanish?

RadioRaheem84
26th July 2010, 19:15
The US will obviously attack Venezuela through proxies. The US may be drawing up plans to economically strangle Venezuela, conduct an international media propoganda campaign, and use Colombia as a base for any attacks. It would be a total failure though as the government is too popular. Then again so was Allende.

We'll have to see.

Nolan
26th July 2010, 19:25
Most likely what we'll see in the way of aggression against Venezuela is the funding of rightist paramilitaries within Venezuela to overthrow the government. The coup option is (apparently) not available anymore. It failed.

Obs
26th July 2010, 19:58
Indeed, and claiming you are about to be attacked by a bigger more powerful state has often been used to whip up domestic support for a smaller, less powerful state...
Just one suggestion.
I know, Chavez is basically Hitler.

danyboy27
26th July 2010, 20:06
Yep, he's a politician & you're the idiot. An annoying one.

what i am saying is, even politician can be lied too, even politician can be manipulated by other.

being a leftist politician dosnt make him smarter.

ps: i might be an idiot, but i am not a useful idiot, unlike others.

Obs
26th July 2010, 20:09
I am a useless idiot.

Come on man, that was too easy :D

Nolan
26th July 2010, 20:09
but i am not a useful idiot, unlike others.

You are extremely useful. Trust me.

RadioRaheem84
26th July 2010, 20:13
Venezuela Analysis is offline due to technical problems. Hopefully it will be back up soon. Paranoia is a *****.

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 20:17
^ haha yea. It happened a couple days ago too, but it came back up. More than likely just technical failures. :thumbup1:

The Vegan Marxist
26th July 2010, 20:18
I assume you are fluent in Spanish?

Just a little, but if I leave, a couple friends of mine said they're going with me, & they're both Mexican. So they'd be a big help while I strengthen up my spanish.

bricolage
27th July 2010, 00:07
Just a little, but if I leave, a couple friends of mine said they're going with me, & they're both Mexican. So they'd be a big help while I strengthen up my spanish.

My point was what use do you actually think non-Venezuelans going to fight in Venezuela will actually be. I'd think not very much.
The language thing was one practical example

Nolan
27th July 2010, 00:54
Vegan Marxist, are you saying you'd go to South America to fight a civil war or invasion by Colombia?

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 01:28
Vegan Marxist, are you saying you'd go to South America to fight a civil war or invasion by Colombia?

I'd try & help in any way that I can. I don't plan on living in this country for too long anyways. I was making it out where I'd get my education & pull up enough money in order to get out.

Nolan
27th July 2010, 01:32
War is not something you should want to experience. If you yourself survive and aren't maimed or disfigured in some horrible way, you'll have to deal with killing potentially dozens of people, even many civilians in a case such as a Venezuelan Civil War. It will mess you up on a fundamental level. I know several Vietnam veterans and they will confirm this, as will Iraq and Afghanistan veterans I'm sure.

One told me the best thing someone can do to prepare for the sights of a military career is to get a job slaughtering cattle.

We shouldn't all try to be Che.

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 01:43
War is not something you should want to experience. If you yourself survive and aren't maimed or disfigured in some horrible way, you'll have to deal with killing potentially dozens of people, even many civilians in a case such as a Venezuelan Civil War. It will mess you up on a fundamental level. I know several Vietnam veterans and they will confirm this, as will Iraq and Afghanistan veterans I'm sure.

One told me the best thing someone can do to prepare for the sights of a military career is to get a job slaughtering cattle.

We shouldn't all try to be Che.

Too bad there are no "che's" in America. And I've witnessed the slaughtering of cows before. Wasn't the best of experiences. But my way of thinking, which it took quite a while for me to accept this, that I don't plan on growing old in some retirement home, laying in bed waiting for death to approach. How can I die knowing we're in this shit hole & did nothing to try & stop it. If I'm to die, I want it to be with a gun in my hand. There are many who can speak of revolution & spread that word, but are there many who are willing to act under revolution? There's far too many armchair revolutionaries in this country. That's the problem.

Blackscare
27th July 2010, 01:47
How can I die knowing we're in this shit hole & did nothing to try & stop it. If I'm to die, I want it to be with a gun in my hand. There are many who can speak of revolution & spread that word, but are there many who are willing to act under revolution? There's far too many armchair revolutionaries in this country. That's the problem.

Don't try to sound too tough before you actually experience war. You have no idea how you'll react when fired at. You may pick up a gun and heroically fight off the imperialists, or you may whimper and shit yourself and demand to leave the front line, embarrassing the shit out of yourself and other Northern Leftists. You just don't know.

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 01:57
Don't try to sound too tough before you actually experience war. You have no idea how you'll react when fired at. You may pick up a gun and heroically fight off the imperialists, or you may whimper and shit yourself and demand to leave the front line, embarrassing the shit out of yourself and other Northern Leftists. You just don't know.

haha, You could be right. But no one knows until they try. Plus, I'm experienced under weaponry & combat. I guess I can thank my family for all that. It's what you get when you're of a family who's all been either police force or military (navy seals).

pranabjyoti
27th July 2010, 02:36
Don't get me wrong, volunteers can help alot. It's just that what are you gonna arm those volunteers with? Venezuela has more need of weapons and experts than manpower.
If they try, they will huge number of experts from the volunteers themselves. If the programme will be organized in a proper way, then certainly they will get a lot of experts.

t.shonku
27th July 2010, 06:08
If they try, they will huge number of experts from the volunteers themselves. If the programme will be organized in a proper way, then certainly they will get a lot of experts.

I personally think that comrade Chavez needs help from China and DPRK to fight these imperialists.
It would be a great opportunity for the PLA to test it's latest weapons and tactics.It would also be an opportunity for DPRK,Iran and Cuba to send in its covert agent into there, to gain some first hand experience, this will help them in future.
I think this situation also provides an opportunity for communists in western countries, to join the war and gain some military knowledge that may help in future insurrection in their own country.

Pretty Flaco
27th July 2010, 06:12
They could always fund Colombia's military in doing so. Doesn't seem too far fetched.

Just like the Contras.

bricolage
27th July 2010, 08:13
are there many who are willing to act under revolution? There's far too many armchair revolutionaries in this country. That's the problem.

Yes, because you aren't a revolutionary unless you go and get killed in Venezuela.

You want to make a revolution? Start organising in American workplaces and communities, don't travel around the world getting shot at.

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 09:57
Yes, because you aren't a revolutionary unless you go and get killed in Venezuela.

You want to make a revolution? Start organising in American workplaces and communities, don't travel around the world getting shot at.

I plan on helping out as much as I can. But I plan on helping out internationally, & that doesn't mean me carrying weaponry. But if that's what it takes, then so be it.

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 15:59
Jeez, does there have to be that much condemnation of Vegan Marxist's decision to want to help the Venezuelan government and people to stay in power? I mean we're talking about the US dismantling all the people have worked for in bettering themselves. That enrages me to no end. I agree that going to fight would take such mental and physical strength that I just do not think that I can muster right now, but you guys are acting like Che was some naturally born warrior or something. Che was an asthmatic young upper middle class prep fresh out of med school that became enraged when the US dismantled Arbenz's Guatemala.

This shit pisses people off. We read about the US doing this to nations seeking national liberation and we get angry but we're talking about the potential dismantling of one right before our eyes! Especially one that has taken the long non violent approach to reaching socialism, much to the dismay of many leftists. So even then democratic socialism is not enough for the imperialists!

gorillafuck
27th July 2010, 17:25
blessing in disguise? maybe those workers militias could actually start using their guns to take down capitalism if they got invaded.
No. Venezuela is a capitalist state but imperialist war is never good for the workers. This should be very obvious.


I plan on helping out as much as I can. But I plan on helping out internationally, & that doesn't mean me carrying weaponry. But if that's what it takes, then so be it.
Have you ever experienced war? If not then I seriously doubt that you would be of any use to anyone unless you went through very rigorous training.


And I will not easily believe completely unsourced statements by Chavez that could easily be meant to serve as a rallying cry. Once I see more concrete proof then I will be worried.

Artemis3
27th July 2010, 20:09
haha, You could be right. But no one knows until they try. Plus, I'm experienced under weaponry & combat. I guess I can thank my family for all that. It's what you get when you're of a family who's all been either police force or military (navy seals). If conflict breaks i doubt you'll be able to make it in time, but if you like train with the use of the AK-103/104 (modern 47), the old Belgian FAL rifle, and the Dragunov sniper rifle; those are the main weapons in use here, and of course whatever the enemy brings (likely American). Venezuela has been preparing for long term asymmetrical (guerrilla) warfare, from the regular army to the militias; in todays scenario you can't expect to stop an US invasion, just to make the occupation costly until they are forced to leave (see middle-east).
A conflict will most likely come from Colombia, because of the 7 US bases they feel invulnerable, as any counterattack could trigger direct US intervention (probably their plan). The US has reinforced their bases in the Caribbean (Netherlands colonies) and central-America (opening/adding more in Panama, Costa Rica, Honduras, etc.). Also don't forget the many expendable "soldiers of fortune" for dirty jobs, plus paramilitary, plus undercover operations both from Colombia and the US and third parties such as terrorism from the exiled Cubans in FL (Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, et al).

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 20:16
Should you guys really be talking about this on a non-secure website?

Resistence doesn't have to be violent, too.

Os Cangaceiros
27th July 2010, 20:20
Must...defend...worker's state!

http://yanyanxu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rambo.jpg

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 20:25
I don't know, you seem like a pretty good internet warrior yourself, Explosive. Maybe you should take it outside. :rolleyes:

Nolan
27th July 2010, 20:25
Venezuela isn't a workers state.

Os Cangaceiros
27th July 2010, 20:27
I don't know, you seem like a pretty good internet warrior yourself, Explosive. Maybe you should take it outside. :rolleyes:

I don't know where you've gotten that impression from...I've never announced my intentions to go overseas and fight in a foreign war.


Venezuela isn't a workers state.

No shit.

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 20:29
I don't know where you've gotten that impression from...I've never announced my intentions to go overseas and fight in a foreign war.




I was being sarcastic.....nevermind.

Fietsketting
27th July 2010, 20:45
On a sidenote: Command & Conquer: Red Alert might be more your game afterall.

Nachie
27th July 2010, 20:52
I have this funny feeling you would never even make it from Maiquetía to Caracas.

this is an invasion
27th July 2010, 21:36
Too bad there are no "che's" in America. And I've witnessed the slaughtering of cows before. Wasn't the best of experiences. But my way of thinking, which it took quite a while for me to accept this, that I don't plan on growing old in some retirement home, laying in bed waiting for death to approach. How can I die knowing we're in this shit hole & did nothing to try & stop it. If I'm to die, I want it to be with a gun in my hand. There are many who can speak of revolution & spread that word, but are there many who are willing to act under revolution? There's far too many armchair revolutionaries in this country. That's the problem.

I agree. Far too many people with blogs and youtube channels that think they are revolutionaries, but don't actually do anything where they live.

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 23:46
I agree. Far too many people with blogs and youtube channels that think they are revolutionaries, but don't actually do anything where they live.

You don't even know who I am or what I do. Wow, you can tell that I make activist videos & blogs while I'm on the web instead of watching lame "trick tips" on youtube! That's amazing! You have the ability of every douche with a computer!

Nachie
28th July 2010, 05:47
Serious Question: What the hell is a trick tip?

Barry Lyndon
28th July 2010, 05:51
I'd say an International brigade to defend Venezuela is in order, just in case.

Nolan
28th July 2010, 06:01
I'd say an International brigade to defend Venezuela is in order, just in case.

:rolleyes:

this is an invasion
28th July 2010, 06:50
You don't even know who I am or what I do. Wow, you can tell that I make activist videos & blogs while I'm on the web instead of watching lame "trick tips" on youtube! That's amazing! You have the ability of every douche with a computer!

I was actually talking about in general, dude, but it seems I may have hit a bit close to home?

The Vegan Marxist
28th July 2010, 08:50
I was actually talking about in general, dude, but it seems I may have hit a bit close to home?

No, far from it.

Obs
28th July 2010, 12:45
Serious Question: What the hell is a trick tip?
"C'mon, baby... just the tip."

uni
28th July 2010, 13:10
I thought it was well funny when Chavez referred to them as the "Yankee" government. Chavez is someone that we socialists and communists in Scotland look toward as we have got oil (like Venezuela) but unfortunately the slimy hands of global capitalists have got their hands on it and now the people don't get any of the benefits of it. Go Venezuela, stand up for yourselves!:cool: