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Die Neue Zeit
26th July 2010, 03:19
An Anti-Religious Critique?

"I have never put this question this way to myself for a simple reason. I am convinced that the socialist idea would not have come into existence without Christianity. Christianity is the religion of charity. The politically correct word for charity is solidarity. Karl Marx saw this somewhat differently. He called religion ‘opiate for the masses’. That is what he calls it in his Theses on Feuerbach. Religion at the time of Karl Marx played a different role than it does today. Today the question arises who in society is responsible for the promotion of values. Supermarkets cannot replace cathedrals." (Oskar Lafontaine)

In May 2010, Die Welt interviewed Oskar Lafontaine, an outgoing chairman of Die Linke (The Left party in Germany). This charismatic political figure started to establish his place on the left when in 2008 he called for including the phrase, “For exploitation veiled by religious and political illusions, [the bourgeoisie] has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation” – from the Communist Manifesto – directly in the party program to succeed a much shorter programmatic summary. Later that same year, and during the inaugural congress of the Parti du Gauche (Left Party) in France, Lafontaine made an impressive speech that mentioned constant disappointment in the strategy of reformist parliamentary coalitions, saying that “this is exactly the big dilemma of these socialist parties: to formulate the principles of opposition at Epinay, and the principles of government at Godesberg. The history of west European socialist parties in power is a long list of rotten compromises.” Finally, his charisma became distinctly avuncular when he proclaimed that “We want to overthrow capitalism” in a May 2009 interview with Der Spiegel. While Lafontaine is not a genuine revolutionary, he has at least followed the steps of the old Independent Social Democracy under the anti-war Hugo Haase: vacillation and renegacy during revolutionary periods, but political activism worthy of at least critical support outside such periods (not to mention being assaulted by a mentally deranged person).

The interview by Die Welt started by asking Oskar Lafontaine if he has thought about leaving the Roman Catholic Church – a religious institution which, even beyond state non-interference, is plagued by cases of clergy sex abuse and by demographic decline in the more developed states – and how he could reconcile his personal Catholicism with working alongside left-wing atheists. It should be noted that, in responding, he confused the Theses on Feuerbach – best known for concluding against intellectual isolationism such as “Academic Marxism” and post-modernist radicalism in declaring that “The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it” – with A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right. Also, the image of supermarkets is less powerful than the image of shopping malls representing a new opiate.

Nevertheless, the broader subject of organized religion and spirituality was discussed. It is therefore important to go beyond the agitational talking point of 19th-century religion being “the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world […] the soul of soulless conditions [and] the opium of the people.” After all, modern consumptionism – as opposed to the proper “consumerism” of consumer activism and the belief that economies exist for the benefit of consumers – is a new opiate. Consumptionism can pertain to at least some discretionary goods, or it can pertain to less tangible things like the ever-notorious and fundamentally anti-political phenomenon that is infotainment.

Before recorded history, there was no organized religion, only spirituality (like belief in what is perceived to be supernatural). There were only basic rules on how not to exercise one’s personal spirituality and mainly on how not to interact with the world, rules which contemporarily speaking encompassed:

1) Rejecting ideas and practices associated with animism, pantheism, divine corporeal manifestation more generally, polytheism, trinitarianism or other kinds of henotheism – including human sacrifices and sex rituals, whether literal or metaphorical – and at the higher level of negative theology those of anthropomorphism (ascribing positive attributes to perceived deities);
2) Refraining from cursing even deities perceived to be false;
3) Refraining from murder, perjury in capital cases, and the Biblical capital offense of kidnapping (the real meaning of the famous Eighth Commandment against “stealing,” because kidnapping is in its own way taking an innocent life);
4) Refraining from typical adultery (as opposed to polyfidelity, responsible non-monogamy, etc.), bestiality, incest biologically or through in-law and step relations, and also pedophilia and rape;
5) Refraining from stealing possessions, cheating, committing acts of wage theft or fraud, and possessing false weights and measures;
6) Refraining from eating body parts of live animals or of any dead animal whose flesh was torn off while it was alive, and more generally from other acts of cruelty towards animal life; and
7) Establishing courts and systems of justice based on impartiality.

Moreover, there existed various negative and positive guidelines, such as:

1) Not neglecting someone in mortal danger, whether nearby or afar (hence Good Samaritans and supporting humanitarian work, respectively); not oppressing the weak; not cursing even the deaf, giving misleading advice as though they are stumbling blocks to the blind, misleading others more generally, spreading gossip as one going up and down tale-bearing, or embarrassing others publicly; not bearing grudges or seeking revenge; not accepting bribes; not consuming blood (as opposed to donating blood or receiving a blood transfusion);
2) Admitting wrongdoings and rebuking wrongdoers; respecting one’s own parents and the elderly; returning lost objects, making lost-and-found notices and even caring for lost animate objects such as pets; and helping even personal adversaries load and unload items for legal transport.

Unfortunately, with the emergence of class society came the emergence of organized religion, along with its priestly and other agents, and more barbaric beliefs and practices then than now: from human sacrifice to female genital mutilation, from generic sex rituals to same-sex rituals (as opposed to normal homosexual relationships, whether male or female), from the dominance of god-kings or sacred kings to the public depictions of their images and of them receiving “divine right” from their deities, and from myths of cosmological warfare involving deities perceived to be false – or between perceived deities – to worldly religious crusades that may or may not curse deities perceived to be false but are nevertheless waged in the names of perceived deities.

This was paralleled economically by the sanction of chattel slavery, the ownership of or at least control over the great agricultural estates and other significant areas of land by priestly castes, the growth of cavalry-based war machines through god-kings accumulating too many horses, and of course the institution of blatantly elitist justice systems which favoured those of the upper classes.

Traditionally, the class-strugglist left has advocated for the complete separation of the church from political affairs (not just “the state”) and the school system beyond subjects of mere academic interest, for full freedom of religious and anti-religious speech or writings, for ending tax exemptions and other state subsidies for any politically active body of organized religion, and for the expropriation of all properties of organized religion not directly related to acts of prayer or worship. As the Weekly Worker’s Peter Manson explained in response to the French ban on burqas:

Based on opposition to the all-pervading influence of the corrupt Catholic Church, this Jacobin anti-clerical secularism was based on a thoroughgoing statism. In actual fact the [French] left’s ‘secularism’ is an impostor. Secularism demands not state bans, but state non-interference in the citizen’s religious or non-religious beliefs and practices. The state must not accord privileges to a particular religion (as in the UK with the Church of England) nor discriminate against others. Genuine secularism insists on the equality of all in the eyes of the state, whatever their religion or lack of it. In other words, all citizens must be free to practise their beliefs - otherwise such ‘equality’ is totally meaningless.

Unfortunately, one particular phenomenon has posed problems for everything that the class-strugglist left has raised historically in regards to organized religion: megachurch businesses. These behemoths are quite political beneath the thin veneer of anti-abortion and homophobic rhetoric, openly promote inequality in access to and distribution of free speech with their media infrastructure, are tax-exempt while operating like for-profit corporations, and have in place of the traditional land holdings and art treasures massive merchandise and service arms beyond media infrastructure to promote their brand: fitness facilities, food courts, investment partnerships, and aggressively selling books and DVDs specific to their brand. How can the other extreme, as posed by the early Soviet League of the Militant Godless and its childish destruction of religious buildings and harassment of rank-and-file religious persons, be avoided?

The answer can be found, surprisingly, in the development of multiculturalism and progressive criticisms of it. In 1971, Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau said that “national unity if it is to mean anything in the deeply personal sense, must be founded on confidence in one's own individual identity; out of this can grow respect for that of others and a willingness to share ideas, attitudes and assumptions. A vigorous policy of multiculturalism will help create this initial confidence.” Some have raised criticisms against multiculturalism, ranging from increases in hate crime to the voluntary geographic apartheid on the part of people sharing the same cultural background. What the more progressive critics of multiculturalism are calling for is the aforementioned respect and intercultural exchanges. The province of Quebec, for example, promotes the language of the majority (in this case French) as the public language for even minority groups, with the intention of forcing the kind of interaction needed between all residents in overcoming cultural and racial misunderstandings.

Likewise, all buildings of religious prayer or worship should be transformed into intercultural community centers shared by the various religious denominations. Although such a policy is a form of anti-clerical statism criticized by Peter Manson above, monumental displays of religious symbolism already go beyond full freedom of religious speech and writings. Prayer or worship services can be booked, and articles of prayer or worship should be stored in and brought out of storage areas in these intercultural community centers. Participation in political affairs, ownership land holdings or art treasures, investment partnerships, aggressive sales of books and DVDs specific to denominational brands, and control of media infrastructure in a way that promotes inequality in access to and distribution of free speech should still be prohibited for these denominations. Of course, ethnoreligious groups like Jews and Sikhs may not have to be as intercultural, since every cultural group should be entitled to its own community centers. However, synagogues and ethnic temples would have to be replaced by community centers of their respective cultural groups.

Access to these intercultural community centers should nevertheless be denied to dangerous cults and the occult, which are defined more by what their adherents must do in the service of their living leaders and how, than by what those same adherents are prohibited from doing. For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses prohibit blood transfusions, yet their meetings are open to strangers and adherents do not live in groups that refuse interaction with society at large. On the other hand, Scientology extorts large sums of money from its adherents in the name of “donations” for consultations or books.

It should be noted that, although this proposed curtailment of organized religion’s influence is a radical reform that could be implemented by bourgeois societies like France, it is unclear how it enables further reforms, and the principle of social labour (against non-worker control, private ownership relations over productive and non-possessive property, debt slavery, and overspecialization of labour) is irrelevant when considering the unproductive nature of work in organized religion – despite the potential for these intercultural community centers and related media infrastructure to be publicly owned.




REFERENCES



“I'm a passionate mushroom picker” (German) by Claus Christian Malzahn and Miriam Hollstein, Die Welt [http://www.welt.de/die-welt/politik/article7623882/Ich-bin-ein-leidenschaftlicher-Pilzesammler.html]

Left Parties Everywhere by Oskar Lafontaine [http://books.google.ca/books?id=uL1kptbCEx8C&printsec=frontcover]

“We want to overthrow capitalism” by Björn Hengst and Claus Christian Malzahn, Der Spiegel [http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,624880,00.html]

Theses on Feuerbach by Karl Marx [http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/theses.htm]

A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right by Karl Marx [http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/index.htm]

Mishneh Torah (English) by Moses Maimonides
[http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1188354/jewish/Chapter-9.htm]
[http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/901723/jewish/Negative-Commandments.htm]
[http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/901694/jewish/Part-1.htm]
[http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/901704/jewish/Part-3.htm]

Religion, class struggles, and revolution in ancient Judea by Jack Conrad [http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004034]

French burqa ban has nothing to do with women’s rights by Peter Manson [http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004033]

The Megachurch Juggernaut: The making of McChurch by Jeff Keilholtz [http://www.zcommunications.org/the-megachurch-juggernaut-by-jeff-keilholtz]

Federal Multicultural Policy by Pierre Elliott Trudeau [http://www.abheritage.ca/albertans/speeches/trudeau.html]

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al8
26th July 2010, 06:53
The phrasing of the point that it isn't just a matter of separating church and state but more encompassingly separating church from and political affairs is to my liking. It might be important to keep in mind that there might be a need to separate religion from political affairs all together by eliminating religion. Since religion is inherently political and manipulative clergy - basing itself throughout it's history on a fiercly careerist and consumer materialist clergy with land, real estate, artwork etc. in its arsenal and duped followers as it's lifes bread. Let's say that these entrenched unproductive swindlers become shareholding state employees of multi purpose 'communal spaces'. What would happen? My guess is that they would try to bud, elbow, and politicize change and try by all means to gain a monopoly on the these centers.

This is confirmed by experience, if we are talking about reform within the system, in that a few years ago a municipality in Iceland wanted to build excactly this kind of multicultural, multipurpose social center, where all faiths and interest groups would be allowed usage. The clergy of the state church said "out of the question" pulled strings and got their way - and now it is solely a church. The clergy would be just as dangerous even if it weren't formally part and parcel with the state - if it had large holdings of wealth it could just the same pull strings and get their way.
The state and co-dependent rackets are only an aspect of the problem. As with megachurches and other scams they are like any other for-profit venture part of the block of moneyed interests that control or sway the governing bodies of state through the power of bribery.
Sometimes it is as if though atheists orgs and popularizers raise myopic goals, as with the separation of church and state. But as is my experience it stems from tactical mindset of setting small and reachable goals through small-time piece-meal reform.


How can the other extreme, as posed by the early Soviet League of the Militant Godless and its childish destruction of religious buildings and harassment of rank-and-file religious persons, be avoided?

The demolition and religious buildings is not childish, simply common sense. To delegitemize religion one must take it out of sight and make better use of its useless remnants if possible. Just as if a pizza chain goes out of business it's company marking architecture or logos get removed and it's former grounds and locals get reappropriated in ways that are found useful.

I'm not sure what you mean by the rank-and-file being harassed. How did you guage this?

Die Neue Zeit
26th July 2010, 14:18
The phrasing of the point that it isn't just a matter of separating church and state but more encompassingly separating church from and political affairs is to my liking.

I thought you'd like it. ;)


Basing itself throughout it's history on a fiercly careerist and consumer materialist clergy with land, real estate, artwork etc. in its arsenal and duped followers as it's lifes bread. Let's say that these entrenched unproductive swindlers become shareholding state employees of multi purpose 'communal spaces'. What would happen? My guess is that they would try to bud, elbow, and politicize change and try by all means to gain a monopoly on the these centers.

You raise a good point there, but there is the possibility that the public can simply rent out the intercultural community centers to the various religious denominations. The unproductive swindlers you're talking about wouldn't become "shareholding state employees."


This is confirmed by experience, if we are talking about reform within the system, in that a few years ago a municipality in Iceland wanted to build excactly this kind of multicultural, multipurpose social center, where all faiths and interest groups would be allowed usage. The clergy of the state church said "out of the question" pulled strings and got their way - and now it is solely a church.

It's the problem of the other side of the equation - "political affairs" and "the state" - rather than the agitation of the clergy. Of course I expect this to be opposed by religious groups, especially those with business interests.


The demolition and religious buildings is not childish, simply common sense. To delegitemize religion one must take it out of sight and make better use of its useless remnants if possible. Just as if a pizza chain goes out of business it's company marking architecture or logos get removed and it's former grounds and locals get reappropriated in ways that are found useful.

You can get rid of the public display of religious symbols without taking down the buildings. You can also reduce the public space of organized religion further through intercultural interaction as suggested above.


I'm not sure what you mean by the rank-and-file being harassed. How did you guage this?

I'm sure at least some ordinary churchgoers were pressed to become atheists, and also faced social stigma re. job careers if they didn't. I'm sure Putin's mother being Orthodox contributed in part to Putin himself, however much an atheist and CPSU member he was back then, being a low-rank loser during the Soviet era.

MarxSchmarx
27th July 2010, 05:49
Before going into specifics, the presentation of this strikes me as quite a bit disjointed. The central tenet of this passage is admittedly lost - is your critique that anti-clericism needs to go beyond state non-intervention? Is it that consumerism has replaced religion as an opiate, at least until megachurches came around? There are a large number of points raised, but each appears related to the other only through the common (and rather tangential) link of religion. And in so doing it is hard to do justice to the complexity of each issue in the space provided. Take for instance the origin of religious rituals. The claim that these rituals are some how causally connected to the birth of chattel slavery could fill libraries.

The point is not that a broad overview is undesirable. Rather, I think the array of facts would do well to serve an overarching, central contention.

Die Neue Zeit
27th July 2010, 06:14
Before going into specifics, the presentation of this strikes me as quite a bit disjointed. The central tenet of this passage is admittedly lost - is your critique that anti-clericism needs to go beyond state non-intervention?

Programmatically, that is indeed the case, comrade, but maybe you're right about "related to the other only through the common link of religion."

I quoted Oskar Lafontaine for personal reasons, of course. One of the minor ones is that he mentioned both "supermarkets" and "cathedrals." Re. the former, I wanted to make a more concrete link with consumptionism (not consumerism, which you use ;) ). Re. the latter, I wanted to distinguish between ordinary spirituality, from before recorded history to today, and religion.

On all aspects, I was hoping the bolded text would unify the commentary much more.


Is it that consumerism has replaced religion as an opiate, at least until megachurches came around?

I didn't say religion was replaced. I said that consumptionism has become at least one new opiate. I mentioned megachurches in order to highlight their business nature.


There are a large number of points raised, but each appears related to the other only through the common (and rather tangential) link of religion. And in so doing it is hard to do justice to the complexity of each issue in the space provided.

Indeed so (re. number of points condensed in two-and-a-half pages by my count). :(


Take for instance the origin of religious rituals. The claim that these rituals are some how causally connected to the birth of chattel slavery could fill libraries.

The point is not that a broad overview is undesirable. Rather, I think the array of facts would do well to serve an overarching, central contention.

Don't I have an array of facts to back up my programmatic claim? I have Lafontaine's statement, the sex scandals (no real need for a link or two on this one), Jack Conrad's article, and the megachurch stuff. :confused:

Die Neue Zeit
28th July 2010, 02:23
Lengthy response on Rabble:

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/body-and-soul/anti-religious-critique


Interesting.

I don't think the solution lies in literally bringing all faiths under one roof - even though a version of what you describe already exists with community and social justice groups taking space in some churches. And some separate faiths already do share church buildings but they do it by choice. Also, some religions have their most significant rituals in the home, and I think religions like cultures need to have their own distinct and sacred space. Pushing everyone into the same room might not result in the ecumenical and tolerant spirit you want to promote. In fact, I think it would more likely inflame those who are more reactionary.

I am just thinking of the issue of graven images, not to mention having to have numerous sets of dishes, pots and cultlery in the kitchen to deal with everyone's dietary rules. And I expect the parking lot might get kind of full on Saturdays and Sundays.

As well, there is a whole area of religious influence beyond the basic rules of behaviour that you mention. Just using the Christian Bible as an example the themes of personal integrity, humility and the sense that we are a small part of a larger picture, forgiveness, helping others, purification and freeing one's self from anger, bitterness, sorrow and fear. There is also, especially in the New Testament, the lesson that the letter of the law is in many ways irrelevant - what matters is that a person understands the meaning behind that law to the point that he or she is prepared to break it when necessary.

Religion works for some people because it is a model for explaining and channeling our strong emotions of awe, love, and suffering. It is for some people a VERY personal thing, and any attempt to influence that from the outside in is only going to work so far, if it works at all.

MarxSchmarx
28th July 2010, 05:58
is your critique that anti-clericism needs to go beyond state non-intervention? Programmatically, that is indeed the case, comrade, but maybe you're right about "related to the other only through the common link of religion."

I see. Thanks for clarifying that. Now that I have a better picture of precisely what the main point of the article is, I think making this explicit would be easier for other readers to assess the piece. My advice therefore would be to try to tie in every major point to directly and unambiguously support this claim.

Very briefly two matters in re: substance (as opposed to style): the link to consumptionism, while well taken, may be rather too ambitious and beyond the scope of the present draft. Also, I think "clericism" means very different things for example in France and other catholic societies and, say, Islamic societies or Tibet. A unifying definition is likely needed to the extent that economic consequences of this institution can be analyzed.

Die Neue Zeit
28th July 2010, 06:20
I see. Thanks for clarifying that. Now that I have a better picture of precisely what the main point of the article is, I think making this explicit would be easier for other readers to assess the piece. My advice therefore would be to try to tie in every major point to directly and unambiguously support this claim.

So far above, the additional reference to state intervention is:

"the Roman Catholic Church – a religious institution which, even beyond state non-interference, is plagued by cases of clergy sex abuse"

However, isn't "Establishing courts and systems of justice based on impartiality" as tied to the basic rules cited also a reference to state intervention? :confused:


Very briefly two matters in re: substance (as opposed to style): the link to consumptionism, while well taken, may be rather too ambitious and beyond the scope of the present draft. Also, I think "clericism" means very different things for example in France and other catholic societies and, say, Islamic societies or Tibet. A unifying definition is likely needed to the extent that economic consequences of this institution can be analyzed.

Yeah, maybe that consumptionism stuff was just a snide remark. I didn't notice that re. "clericism," by the way.

Die Neue Zeit
6th August 2010, 02:12
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/letters.php?issue_id=829



Laws and rights
Phil Kent

The letters column (July 29) demonstrates that many on the left have not grasped even the basics of secularism. Secularism does oppose state bans on the religious behaving like complete idiots if that is their own choice. And we also demand the same rights for atheists. We are opposed to coerced behaviour, but laws do exist, albeit inadequate, to defend individuals from persecution.

If it is not illegal, it is a right. It does not mean that I have to approve of the behaviour or even to pretend that I do. As for whether anyone has the right to dehumanise themselves. How do you stop it? There are many forms of bigotry that dehumanise people. This rather than clothing is the real problem. Communism is a programme for civilising society. Drugs and alcohol also can dehumanise people but that does not mean that state bans are the appropriate answer.

Robert Wilkinson is wrong to think that Sarkozy is defending secularism. He is shoring up a weak political position by ramping up chauvinism. As capitalism goes into decline, all sorts of prejudices and fears will be invented and crazily promoted. We should be more afraid of the state than of tiny religious minorities that really only appeal to the disenfranchised. Do you seriously believe that rightwing Islam is really capable of taking over Europe?

Equality has a habit of meaning very different things. In France it does refer back to an anti-clericist past when the last bourgeois is strangled with the guts of the last priest. It demonises religion. The comrade has simply not been listening carefully enough to the critics of the French state because he is under the spell of its ideology.

All in all, people should be able to walk down the street dressed how they choose without a law making it illegal. How should a communist deal with clothes and the messages they convey? With abuse and disgust, with fear and outrage, with humour and patience? The choice is ours.

I do agree that people who have authority should not be able to hide their identity, but Tory MP Philip Hollobone has no right to make himself invisible to any of his constituents by refusing to see them if they cover their faces. He is there to serve, not to command, his constituents.

Jacob Richter certainly knows how to make religious people feel like second-class citizens. He wants all religious people to worship in the same building. How is he going enforce such a measure? By state decree? By threats of prosecution and fines? At the point of a bayonet? This type of approach owes everything to the spirit of August Blanqui. It is certainly alien to the spirit of Marxism, which stresses persuasion in such matters. Not force. While we are against the state - any state - forcing religious people to worship and behave according to our atheistic dictats, we recognise a duty by communists as communists to carry out subtle anti-religious propaganda. Certainly when it comes to particular dress codes - men wearing beards, growing dreadlocks, women wearing the burqa, wearing wigs - a relaxed, patient attitude, which does not get hung up on what should be completely trivial questions, is by far the best approach. What we are really interested in is not how people dress, but whether or not, and to what degree, they participate in the class struggle. The more they do, the more this encourages them to develop secular beliefs through their own experience.

Sorry, Bill Cookson, but we do not believe in the slogan ‘rights for whites’. The danger is that it will be interpreted as out and out racism and not a call for equality for all. We champion the working class and universal human liberation.

Philzer
28th August 2010, 17:22
An Anti-Religious Critique?

" Today the question arises who in society is responsible for the promotion of values. Supermarkets cannot replace cathedrals." (Oskar Lafontaine)

I think Oscar does not understand the developments of the religions. Here is the development of the God's abstractions linked with the degrees of freedom determining ( it means threedimensional freedom = opportunism ).

The Pantheism of the bourgeoisie permits the highest degree in three-dimensional freedom. Only the self-interest counts. Nothing else.

(Karl Marx: Capitalism is the war of all against all)

And here we could also find the 1st reason why all old traditional religions are further in it and are allowed. They permit less opportunistic freedoms! And if somebody like to limit themself, please what does this interest the bourgeoisies?


And the second reason also is not far.
As everybody knows, one needs in every "Evolutionary stabile strategy" egoists and altruists.

The moment of the egoism, so of the power, was snatched from the old religions, by Secularity. Now the Pantheism of the bourgeoisie has the power. Today in the parliament, the church of the bourgeoisie, the religious wars will be decided!

But there are still the old religions! Should they take over, nevertheless, to receive a sense to their churches the altruistic part in the ESS by their social offers!

This is superbrilliant! The bourgeoisie must look after nothing!

We probably never have seen the communists as sly as them during the last 100 years!

funny conclusion:

The intrigue is the existence manner of the exploiters.

Kind regards

PS: for evolution in god-abstraction see my figure

http://s3.directupload.net/images/100821/7zwf7wa5.gif (http://www.directupload.net)