Whole milk is healthier

[Revy]

Skim/low-fat milk linked to prostate cancer. Whole milk decreases risk. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSHAR26781420080102)

It's funny, people think you are weird if you drink whole milk. This obsession with removing the fat from dairy....might not be so healthy after all. And of course it's meaningless for weight loss, dietary fat doesn't make you fat, calories do....duh...

I wonder why whole milk hasn't caught on as much as olive oil, now some people just LOVE olive oil. Especially if it's extra-virgin....which has to be the funniest label for a food item I have ever heard of.

In the end, low-fat is bullshit, low-carb is bullshit...and diet gurus want fame and money.

[mikelepore]

It depends on what kind of problems the individual has. People with abnormal levels of cholesterol (LDL too high and HDL too low) are in danger of having heart attacks and strokes. Being too large to fit into their pants is not their major problem. Fatty foods are dangerous for their circulatory system.

[bcbm]

i prefer soy milk

[Muzk]

yeah, soy milk almost made me vomit when i first sipped on it, but i got used to it after 3 or 4 spoons. shit rocks.

[bcbm]

cow milk is for baby cows

cheese, on the other hand...

[R_P_A_S]

We don't need milk! We are the only mammals that continue drinking milk after our nursing stages. Oh! and cats! only because we feed it to them.

people forget that Milk is a BIG BUSINESS! of course they want us to drink that garbage. (mustache anyone?)

[Revy]

We don't need milk! We are the only mammals that continue drinking milk after our nursing stages. Oh! and cats! only because we feed it to them.

people forget that Milk is a BIG BUSINESS! of course they want us to drink that garbage. (mustache anyone?)

Yeah and they always exaggerate the whole Milk=calcium thing...the truth is humans can have healthy bones and teeth without ever drinking milk at all. There are other sources of calcium like green leafy vegetables....

Vitamin D (which humans get from sunlight exposure) is WAY more important than calcium because if you get enough Vitamin D that helps reduce the excretion of the calcium in urine...it is all about balance of calcium levels. They are finding that people are getting osteoporosis not because of calcium deficiency but because of Vitamin D deficiency.

[ComradeOm]

We don't need milk! We are the only mammals that continue drinking milk after our nursing stages. Oh! and cats! only because we feed it to them.

people forget that Milk is a BIG BUSINESS! of course they want us to drink that garbage. (mustache anyone?)Are you being serious? I want to know before I rain down several kinds of scorn on this bullshit

[Ovi]

We don't need milk! We are the only mammals that continue drinking milk after our nursing stages. Oh! and cats! only because we feed it to them.

people forget that Milk is a BIG BUSINESS! of course they want us to drink that garbage. (mustache anyone?)
That's just nonsense. Humans have been drinking milk far longer than big business existed. Milk products have been consumed for as long as 10,000 years (http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2008/06/history-of-milk.html), while it was only about 6,000 years ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#History_of_genetic_prevalence) when humans developed the ability to digest lactose through their entire lifetime. This ability was a huge advantage for these early humans which is why the mutation spread all around Europe. You might as well say that lactose tolerant people are genetically made to drink milk.

[R_P_A_S]

That's just nonsense. Humans have been drinking milk far longer than big business existed. Milk products have been consumed for as long as 10,000 years (http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2008/06/history-of-milk.html), while it was only about 6,000 years ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#History_of_genetic_prevalence) when humans developed the ability to digest lactose through their entire lifetime. This ability was a huge advantage for these early humans which is why the mutation spread all around Europe. You might as well say that lactose tolerant people are genetically made to drink milk.

I don't have stats for people who are lactose intolerant but the percentage is HIGH among blacks, asians and native americans. Like you mention people of European decent have been drinking it far longer than others so they've develop a tolerance for it. Just because we culturally and traditionally are accustomed to drink milk does not mean we are supposed to keep on doing it. Science now proves that we don't need it at all. NOW it's a big business, haven't you seen all the mustache adds with your favorite athletes and celebrities?

Over the years some humans have develop some sort of tolerance for diary but our bodies don't need it. I always point to other mammals to show people Milk does not equal strength and growth. My favorite example is the Gorilla 99.5% DNA similar to us and they don't drink milk (after nursing) and look how strong they are.

Now if you love milk and don't wanna give it up that's fine... who gives a shit lol. Just saying that it's not as essential as they made you believe it is.

[Adil3tr]

why is this on a forum for revolutionary Marxists?

[scarletghoul]

Obviously.. whole milk is obviously better. You can tell by just tasting it. Why would anyone doubt it

[ComradeOm]

Science now proves that we don't need it at all. NOW it's a big business, haven't you seen all the mustache adds with your favorite athletes and celebrities?You know what else is 'a big business'? Shoes. Nike makes billions every year from manufacturing all sorts of runners (haven't you seen the ads!?!) yet our ancestors got by just fine with rough sandals. Clearly we do not need shoes so don't let Them convince you otherwise


Just saying that it's not as essential as they made you believe it is. Who has claimed that it is? Who here believes that milk is an absolutely vital component of the human diet? Who has been brainwashed by corporate advertising into being unable to imagine a world without milk?

[R_P_A_S]

You know what else is 'a big business'? Shoes. Nike makes billions every year from manufacturing all sorts of runners (haven't you seen the ads!?!) yet our ancestors got by just fine with rough sandals. Clearly we do not need shoes so don't let Them convince you otherwise

Who has claimed that it is? Who here believes that milk is an absolutely vital component of the human diet? Who has been brainwashed by corporate advertising into being unable to imagine a world without milk?

They sure do spend a lot of money on marketing to make you believe YOU NEED IT! don't you think?

[R_P_A_S]

I don't know about you guys.. but I need shoes more than I need milk! specially with how hot the sidewalk gets here in california! ;)

[leftace53]

http://myapokalips.com/public/cartoons/054_Fat_Milk.png

I hate milk, so I can't say I personally care whether whole milk is healthier or not, but I guess it makes sense.

[Vanguard1917]

They sure do spend a lot of money on marketing to make you believe YOU NEED IT! don't you think?
Not this rightwing Republican:

"Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Who cares if you need it or not, it's fucking delicious. I just can't stop drinking it in litres a day.

[Ele'ill]

You know what else is 'a big business'? Shoes. Nike makes billions every year from manufacturing all sorts of runners (haven't you seen the ads!?!) yet our ancestors got by just fine with rough sandals. Clearly we do not need shoes so don't let Them convince you otherwise


Business practices aside- wearing a pair of shoes doesn't kill you.

[Revy]

why is this on a forum for revolutionary Marxists?

Dude shut the hell up....why can't you post something relevant, if I want to talk about milk I will talk about effing milk. It's scientific....I guess we can't talk about anything in here we should just delete the forum.:lol:

[Die Neue Zeit]

Hahaha! I wonder what's the difference between 1%, 2%, and skim, and whether the milk is lactose-free or not.

[Nolan]

This thread made me get a glass of milk.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Soymilk ftw. I able to chung it in a shot.

[Blackscare]

My favorite example is the Gorilla 99.5% DNA similar to us and they don't drink milk (after nursing) and look how strong they are.


LOL.

(I know you're not supposed to post one-liners but... well if I spend my time posting about exactly why this is a stupid statement, I fear I may get dumber myself).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

This is a friendly warning to keep the spammy crap to a minimum, OK people? :)


Business practices aside- wearing a pair of shoes doesn't kill you.

Neither does consuming milk, in itself.


I don't have stats for people who are lactose intolerant but the percentage is HIGH among blacks, asians and native americans. Like you mention people of European decent have been drinking it far longer than others so they've develop a tolerance for it. Just because we culturally and traditionally are accustomed to drink milk does not mean we are supposed to keep on doing it.

Doesn't mean we should necessarily stop either.


Science now proves that we don't need it at all.

That's not the same as proving that we shouldn't drink it in the first place - science only says that if you don't want to or can't drink milk, alternatives are available. Science cannot tell us to consume milk or not, because it isn't in the business of making value judgements.


NOW it's a big business, haven't you seen all the mustache adds with your favorite athletes and celebrities?

Over the years some humans have develop some sort of tolerance for diary but our bodies don't need it. I always point to other mammals to show people Milk does not equal strength and growth. My favorite example is the Gorilla 99.5% DNA similar to us and they don't drink milk (after nursing) and look how strong they are.

Gorillas don't have agriculture or civilisation, and only have rudimentary toolmaking abilities as far as I'm aware. That sort of evolutionary path tends to favour brawn over brains. I don't think it's a valid comparison to make.


Now if you love milk and don't wanna give it up that's fine... who gives a shit lol. Just saying that it's not as essential as they made you believe it is.

I think the best approach if one is concerned with one's diet is to ignore both the corporate lobbies and the animal rights loonies and make one's own mind up using the actual scientific evidence available.

[meow]

i prefer soy milk


cow milk is for baby cows

cheese, on the other hand...
soy milk is for baby soys.

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i heard that animal fats can contribute to causing prostate cancer in susceptable men. so for them less fat milk is better.

but for most people i think "normal" milk is probably better if part of a balanced diet. which means not to much other fat.

[ComradeOm]

They sure do spend a lot of money on marketing to make you believe YOU NEED IT! don't you think?Who does? I've seen ads showing me people having a good time while drinking milk, I've seen ads telling me that its a good source of calcium, but I've never encountered anyone or any ad that insisted that I "NEED IT". We're not talking about water here. So who exactly are 'they' that are telling you that you'll die without milk? Do you think this is some sort of insidious plot?

As for the wider issue of advertising, so people spend money selling products. I for one am shocked and appalled (:ohmy:) that such a practice could be tolerated in a capitalist society. Can't see what the problem is there myself but the very idea...

(Here's one for you - there's a huge 'food industry' that does nothing but produce and sell food products to the gullible masses. Think about that the next time you're hungry)


Business practices aside- wearing a pair of shoes doesn't kill you. Are you suggesting that there are lactose intolerant people somewhere being forced to drink milk by insidious advertising campaigns?

There are people out there allergic to nuts. Should we stop producing and selling nuts (something that our bodies definitely doesn't need)? If eating a particular foodstuff makes you ill then don't eat that again. Complaining that it is being sold (despite being completely harmless to the vast majority of the rest of the population) is ridiculous

[Kotze]

Melvin B. Heyman: Lactose Intolerance in Infants, Children, and Adolescents (September 2006)
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1279

Approximately 70% of the world’s population has primary lactase deficiency.[7,8] The percentage varies according to ethnicity and is related to the use of dairy products in the diet, resulting in genetic selection of individuals with the ability to digest lactose (Table 1). In populations with a predominance of dairy foods in the diet, particularly northern European people, as few as 2% of the population has primary lactase deficiency. In contrast, the prevalence of primary lactase deficiency is 50% to 80% in Hispanic people, 60% to 80% in black and Ashkenazi Jewish people, and almost 100% in Asian and American Indian people.[9–11] The age of onset and its prevalence differ among various populations. Approximately 20% of Hispanic, Asian, and black children younger than 5 years of age have evidence of lactase deficiency and lactose malabsorption,[12] whereas white children typically do not develop symptoms of lactose intolerance until after 4 or 5 years of age. Recent molecular studies of lactase-phlorizin hydrolase (lactase) have correlated the genetic polymorphism of messenger RNA expression with persistence of lactase activity, demonstrating early loss (at 1–2 years of age) of messenger RNA expression and enzyme activity in Thai children and late (10–20 years of age) loss of activity in Finnish children.[11,13]Milk: Another scheme by whitey to terrorize the world. :thumbdown:

[gorillafuck]

The only kind of good soy milk is chocolate soy milk.

[Raúl Duke]

i prefer soy milk

I used to be fickle about soy milk...but over time I got to the point that I love to drink soy milk, particularly vanilla, at any opportunity when there's some in the fridge and yet rarely drink normal milk.