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RadioRaheem84
23rd July 2010, 20:47
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,707267,00.html


SPIEGEL: Ms. Castro, you are the proponent of a modern policy on AIDS and sexuality, the sort of policy one is more likely to see in the Western democracies. Is this a harbinger of reforms and overdue liberalization in Cuba?


Modern policy on AIDS and health care is only something that can be done by Western nations due to their liberalism? Can anyone else smell the chauvinism here? Are they are linking progress in health care with economic liberalization? This coming from a country with universal health care? I mean really this is just too much.



Does Christopher Hitchens own Spiegel?




SPIEGEL: Why is it taking such an endlessly long time? Even the president, your father, openly admits that the situation, in agriculture, for example, is worse than ever before. He has sharply criticized the inefficiency of government-owned operations. In other words, reforms are critical to Cuba's survival.


This is such a canard. I cannot believe this coming from a supposedly liberal left rag. Even liberal economists acknowledge that state owned enterprises can out compete their private competitors. Reform does not have to equal economic privatization like in the context they're describing.





Castro: Our people stand behind the Cuban form of socialism, but now it should be better than before. We are sufficiently self-critical to know this, and to know that our people want more flexibility and liberality. How this can happen is now the subject of discussion in many committees. It's a slow process, but something is moving.
SPIEGEL: There isn't much evidence of that.


Not according to the bourgeoisie media which only accepts privatization as a means of reform.


SPIEGEL: Many members of the opposition have lost patience. In February, imprisoned dissident Orlando Zapata died after an 85-day hunger strike, with which he sought to obtain the release of other political prisoners. The governments of the United States and the European Union have sharply criticized Havana's behavior

What the hell is wrong with these reporters? Do they not fact check their work? If they had they would've found out that Zapata was not a political prisoner. He was a con man who was aided by the US Embassy office in Havana. Zapata’s name never even appeared on the list of the 75 Cuban prisoners drawn up by the United Nations Human Rights Commission in 2003.


Castro: There was no political background to this strike. Zapata wanted to achieve personal privileges in prison: a telephone, a TV set and a kitchen. Of course, no one wanted him to die, but people abroad, in Miami, encouraged him to continue and to stick with his campaign until the end. He was used for a media campaign against Cuba.
SPIEGEL: You're simplifying the issue. Even renowned Cuban artists often campaign against restrictions on free thought. The popular singer-songwriter Pablo Milanés, for example, recently made an appeal to the regime when he said: "You discuss and fight ideas, but you don't lock them up."


Talk about simplifying it? Talk about stupefying it!


SPIEGEL: If they were all truly guilty of treason, you couldn't simply release them this easily. The first of 52 political prisoners have just been released.


They can make a big schpeel about 52 mercenaries but not a peep about 5 Cubans trying to bring down terrorists in the US. Cuba was serious about terrorists and sent agents to share information about right wing terrorists in Miami and they arrest them.



The US funds mercenary groups in Cuba and when prosecuted, they're all of a sudden political prisoners! They're released due to international pressure and co-operation, and then Cuba is called a repressive state for holding them in the first place.



SPIEGEL: Cuba's government is alone in the world with its view that these are mercenaries and terrorists. Without reforms, how do you intend to stop the exodus of young, well-educated Cubans?

Anything the Cuban government says to the contrary will be seen as Cuban propaganda. Anything the US, who funded the people in question, says is truth. When will the circular reasoning end with the media?


SPIEGEL: Most of all, you need more freedom: more and better mobile phones, and unlimited and affordable use of the Internet and new media, for example.

This what freedom entails? The freedom to consume stuff produced by major corporations? Economic liberalization tied to freedom is now the new staple for defining liberty in the world. Right Libertarian lexicon is in the mainstream now.



SPIEGEL: Why is Cuba so bold when it comes to the rights of homosexuals, of all people? After all, your uncle, the revolutionary leader Fidel Castro, claimed that a homosexual lacked the "strength of character of a revolutionary."


And the dozens of homophobic stuff that springs from the mouth of politicians in the West, heads of State, etc? Jeez, can these people at least be a little consistent in their propaganda?




Ms. Castro does a good job of answering back but even her responses presume some of the stuff that the reporter was spewing. I mean how deep has libertarianism, liberalism penetrated every facet of society due to the media? It's very ingrained and very presupposed. To question it is almost to go against all that is "democratic".

Nolan
23rd July 2010, 21:33
They're not. That's the point. The aim of the American media is to discredit Cuba, not like this is new or anything.

chegitz guevara
23rd July 2010, 21:48
Why is Cuba supposed to get a fair break. This is class war.

fa2991
23rd July 2010, 22:06
That whole interview was bullshit. I feel sorry for Mariela.

Lolshevik
23rd July 2010, 22:34
Cuba can get a 'fair break' in popular consciousness in the U.S. only by our efforts: by which I mean socialist political parties, by our own spreading the word and talking about the truth, and through our printed & online publications like party newspapers, even left-wing oppositional union papers or the papers of those unions where democracy and a class struggle approach reigns.

I remember reading some American paper headlines after the October Revolution. "Lenin kills Trotsky!", "Trotsky kills Lenin!" et cetera. this is nothing new.

Sendo
24th July 2010, 02:32
Ms Castro, will Cuba liberalize its economy or continue to eat babies?

(Is this a false dilemma? What's the logical fallacy here? I forget)

Robocommie
24th July 2010, 03:10
Ms Castro, will Cuba liberalize its economy or continue to eat babies?

(Is this a false dilemma? What's the logical fallacy here? I forget)

"Ms Castro, is Cuba going to begin opening internet cafes with full wi-fi access or is it still a brutal totalitarian dictatorship?"

Obs
25th July 2010, 16:18
I see a meme coming on here.

"Ms. Castro, will there be a Burger King in Havana by January 2012, or is your uncle a direct descendant of Satan?"

Nolan
25th July 2010, 20:57
"Ms. Castro, will your government continue to sentence freedom loving dissidents to the brazen bull for Raul's state banquets or will you embrace democracy and freedom?"

iskrabronstein
25th July 2010, 23:39
Ms Castro, will Cuba liberalize its economy or continue to eat babies?

(Is this a false dilemma? What's the logical fallacy here? I forget)

False alternative fallacy. Dig the meme.

Sir Comradical
26th July 2010, 00:52
Ms Castro, will Cuba liberalize its economy or continue to eat babies?

(Is this a false dilemma? What's the logical fallacy here? I forget)


"Ms Castro, is Cuba going to begin opening internet cafes with full wi-fi access or is it still a brutal totalitarian dictatorship?"


I see a meme coming on here.

"Ms. Castro, will there be a Burger King in Havana by January 2012, or is your uncle a direct descendant of Satan?"


"Ms. Castro, will your government continue to sentence freedom loving dissidents to the brazen bull for Raul's state banquets or will you embrace democracy and freedom?"

Nice meme.

Ms Castro, will your country ever allow companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Co to open up processing plants in Havana or will you continue to force your citizens to drink fluoridated commie water?

NGNM85
26th July 2010, 03:14
This is merely consistent with historic US policy especially regarding Latin America. Cuba isn't a military threat, and the cold war is over, Washington's primary concern is crushing any example of 'successful defiance.' Any country, especially a communist country, to radically stray from the predominant economic model. They won't tolerate the example of a thriving socialist country, hence the continued embargo, in open defiance of international law. I would expect all major coverage or official statements regarding Cuba to highlight their economic and social problems, many of which are the result of US policy.

bcbm
26th July 2010, 03:31
This is merely consistent with historic US policy especially regarding Latin Americader spiegel is a german magazine

NGNM85
27th July 2010, 02:11
der spiegel is a german magazine

Yes, it most certainly is. I didn't read the whole thread and I read several statements referencin the US media, one was by Captain Cuba, I think there were one or two others, so I just assumed. In either case it's still accurate, if not extremely relevant.

Nolan
27th July 2010, 02:16
Oops. Well it's not just the US media of course.

The Vegan Marxist
27th July 2010, 02:45
Well, in my opinion, Mariela did a fantastic job in keeping the media put to check. They kept trying to sway her away from the issues at hand, but she fought back. Definitely a great interview.

Obs
27th July 2010, 02:47
Let's get back to what this thread is really about.

"Ms. Castro, will Cuba adopt the US dollar as its official currency, or do all officials in the Cuban government have horns?"

Nolan
27th July 2010, 02:51
"Ms. Castro, is Fidel kept alive by harvesting the souls of innocent Cuban children or is he already dead and the country is turning to democracy?"

The Red Next Door
27th July 2010, 03:18
They're not. That's the point. The aim of the American media is to discredit Cuba, not like this is new or anything.

This is German media, i sort of expect left Social dem rags to be a little open minded in Europe.

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 20:01
This is German media, i sort of expect left Social dem rags to be a little open minded in Europe.


They like to see themselves as the healthy medium between American style cowboy capitalism and communism.

RadioRaheem84
27th July 2010, 20:03
Well, in my opinion, Mariela did a fantastic job in keeping the media put to check. They kept trying to sway her away from the issues at hand, but she fought back. Definitely a great interview.


Eh, she kind of presumed what some of the guy was saying was sort of valid. I mean I do not blame her because had she combated the reporter, the rag would've made her look like Stalinist. There are just some presupposition that have been so ingrained into society by the media, that to question is it to automatically spring into accusations that one is a stalinist.