Green Party England & Wales

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

What is our opinion of this party? Do we shut them out? Can we work with them in some scenarios? Or are they a no-go area for the revolutionary left?

[Communist Guy]

In my opinion they are a party with good aims that are easily compatible with the revolutionary left. And they won a seat in parliament, so they have a lot of supporters.

[ed miliband]

In my opinion they are a party with good aims that are easily compatible with the revolutionary left. And they won a seat in parliament, so they have a lot of supporters.

On what planet?

[Delenda Carthago]

they are neoliberal economicaly.nuff said.

[El Rojo]

they see some of capitalisms problems, specifically the destruction of the environment, however they propose capitalist means to solve this problem. Therfore they are reactionaries, an organised expression of contraditionary conciousness.

Therefore we should work with them as much as we work with "social democrats" eg Labour ect ect. How much one works with these groups depends on yr organisation / ideology

[Communist Guy]

On what planet?

Capitalism is terrible for the environment. The Greens see problems with the capitalist system but they just aren't radicals. They want a change of the system which is currently destroying both the environment and the lives of people.

Ultimately they do agree with us on many things. Most people from the revolutionary left generally are Eco-friendly and want better treatment of the environment and of nature.

Yes, we also disagree on many things, but I don't think we should shut them out as we can and do incorporate many of their ideas into our ideologies

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

When it comes down to it, their goal is to make peace with the system and not to transcend it. To give a little piece of the pie to the workers, which further deludes people into thinking if they just have the right party in power, "it can work for you". Here in Philly, the greens have ignored, shut-out and over ruled many positions that communist have put forward WITHOUT a vote or explanation. I don't see it being much different there.

[Communist Guy]

When it comes down to it, their goal is to make peace with the system and not to transcend it. To give a little piece of the pie to the workers, which further deludes people into thinking if they just have the right party in power, "it can work for you". Here in Philly, the greens have ignored, shut-out and over ruled many positions that communist have put forward WITHOUT a vote or explanation. I don't see it being much different there.

People of the Green Party in Britain are quite socialist and get on well with the Communist party (I believe they had a coalition a few years back). Yes, they are not radicals like us, but their ideas about the environment could and should be incorporated into our ideologies and parties.

[Red Commissar]

People of the Green Party in Britain are quite socialist

In what way?

[Communist Guy]

In what way?

Well, a lot of their policies are quite leftist as far as I know and as I have already said they are on quite friendly terms it other small socialist parties.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

They are a typical 'Green' party. They sound left enough and democratic enough (a 'leaderless' party, supposedly) shouting from the rafters, but you can bet they'd end up like those Greens in Germany the moment they get power.

Green politics is important, but as part of a broader left-wing political programme. A focus on green politics will inevitably follow the capital, as that is where they will find money for their Green future programmes, hence as has been said, their economics will not really be too agreeable to us.

[Communist Guy]

They are a typical 'Green' party. They sound left enough and democratic enough (a 'leaderless' party, supposedly) shouting from the rafters, but you can bet they'd end up like those Greens in Germany the moment they get power.

Green politics is important, but as part of a broader left-wing political programme. A focus on green politics will inevitably follow the capital, as that is where they will find money for their Green future programmes, hence as has been said, their economics will not really be too agreeable to us.

I more or less agree with you.

But I do not advocate voting for the green party, but rather incorporating their ideas in our politics

[progressive_lefty]

The Greens in Australia are hoping to do well at our upcoming election. They are the only hope in the country.

[Communist Guy]

The Greens in Australia are hoping to do well at our upcoming election. They are the only hope in the country.

Well, the greens in the UK got a seat in parliament which is pretty good taking into account how hard it is for small partied=s to get seats.

[bailey_187]

They want to reduce meat consumption and restrict air travel to only the very richest by putting massive taxes on it. Any supposed Communists who thinks thats what we need can fuck off

[Communist Guy]

They want to reduce meat consumption and restrict air travel to only the very richest by putting massive taxes on it. Any supposed Communists who thinks thats what we need can fuck off

I am not saying I support the Green Party, I'm saying that some of their policies should be used by us.

[bailey_187]

Such as?

[Communist Guy]

Such as?

Well, for starters, their basic ideology. A more sustainable cleaner, less polluted world. They want to increase public transport funding and make it cheaper. They want to abolish prescription charges, re-introduce free eye tests and ensure NHS chiropody is widely available. They also want to restore free dental care and provide everyone with the choice of an NHS dentist. etc.

[bailey_187]

Well, for starters, their basic ideology. A more sustainable cleaner, less polluted world.

By a "more sustainable" world, they mean condeming the underdeveloped world to small scale "local" development, which pretty much keeps them in poverty. They oppose industrialisation, be it socialist or capitalist.

Their solution to polution is the worse kind of mitigation; reducing demand. Rather than look into realistic alternative energy sources such as nuclear power, they oppose it. Their focus on "sustainability" (read small scale, poverty keeping), means they dont have the option of adapation to combat pollution etc.



They want to increase public transport funding and make it cheaper.

This is good, however, they also want to put massive taxes on cars so only the very rich can drive them. So everyone else, enjoy your cheap buses, but dont look out the window at the millionaires enjoying their cars.


They want to abolish prescription charges, re-introduce free eye tests and ensure NHS chiropody is widely available. They also want to restore free dental care and provide everyone with the choice of an NHS dentist. etc.

Of course its impossible to argue against doing that, if you are even slightly Left, but any left party, and probably many Labour Party rank and file members support this.