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Charles Xavier
20th July 2010, 02:09
by J. Slavyanski

1. Constantly insist that Marxism is discredited, outdated, and totally dead and buried. Then proceed to build a lucrative career on beating that supposedly ‘dead’ horse for the rest of your working life.

2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states.

3. Communism or Marxism is whatever you want it to be. Feel free to label countries, movements, and regimes as ‘Communist’ regardless of things like actual goals, stated ideology, diplomatic relations, economic policy, or property relations.

4. If there was a conflict involving Communists, the conflict and all ensuing deaths can be laid at the feet of Communism. Be careful when applying this to WWII. Fascist movements who fought against the Soviets or Communist partisans are fine, but try not to openly praise Nazi Germany. Save that for private conversations if you must do so.

5. You decide what Marxism “really means”, and who the rightful representatives of Communism were. Feign interest that Trotsky was somehow robbed of power by Stalin, despite the fact that you hate him as well.

6. Constantly talk about George Orwell. Quote from Animal Farm or 1984. Do not worry about the fact that he never set foot in the Soviet Union and both of those books are novels.

7. Quote massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about anyone checking your work, which is good for you seeing that you probably haven’t done any.

8. Everyone ever arrested under a Communist regime was most likely innocent of any crime. Communists only arrested harmless poets and political prophets who had a beautiful message to share with the world.

9. Everything Stalin did or didn’t do had some sinister ulterior motive. Everything.

10. Keeping with the spirit of #9, remember that Stalin was an omnipotent being, perhaps an incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, who had full awareness of everything going on in the Soviet Union and total control over every occurrence which took place between 1924 and 1953. Everything that occurred during that time was the will of Stalin. Stalin knew the exact details of every criminal case that took place during that era and out of his boundless cruelty, had tons of innocent people shot for no reason regardless of where they were or their position in life. Being omnipotent, he was not dependent on information passed up from tens of thousands of subordinates.

11. Constantly attack ‘Communist’ regimes for actions that occur in capitalist regimes up to this very day.

12. Claim that Marxism is utopian because of its description of a possible future society. Alternately claim that Marxism failed because it never gave a detailed description of how a Communist society would look. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.

13. Start referring to Marxism as being some kind of religious faith, Messianic, or whatever other spiritualist bullshit you can come up with. When people point out that you can draw similarities between virtually any political ideology and other religions, ignore them.

14. Remember the one-two anti-Communist attack: Attack the post-Stalin system on economic grounds, and claim it just doesn’t work. Since an informed opponent will most likely point out that actual socialist economics did indeed work during the Stalin era, and in fact worked very well, attack that era on human rights grounds.

15. Two words- Human nature. What is human nature? For your purposes, human nature is a quick explanation why political ideas or systems you don’t like are wrong.

16. Bolshevik revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed. Bourgeois revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever.

17. Use words like ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ constantly. Do not accept any challenge to define these terms.

18. Communists can be for or against whatever is popular in your particular area. If you are preaching to a right-wing crowd, Communists are for degeneration and homosexuality. If you are preaching to a more mainstream audience, Communists were homophobic. Essentially, Communists are for moral degeneration and puritanical prudery at the same time. Again, do not notice the contradiction.

19. Constantly flog Stalin over the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, while totally ignoring massive support and collaboration with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan on the part of America, Britain, and France, long before the war and even after in some ways. As usual, do not allow your opponent to examine the context of the non-aggression pact.

20. Praise the newfound “freedom” of Eastern Europe. Ignore the massive depopulation via migration, plunging birthrates, huge alcohol and drug problems, political instability, civil wars, ethnic cleansing, sex trafficking and child prostitution, organized crime, high suicide rates, unemployment, disease, etc. Who cares about all that when you have freedom of speech?!

21. Constantly talk about the culture of fear in Communist nations, about that ‘knock on the door’ in the middle of the night. Ignore the ‘kick in your door in the middle of the night, stick a shotgun in your back, and haul your ass out of bed etc. because you are suspected of dealing,’ a normal occurrence in the American War on Drugs.

22. Attack Communists for suppression of religion. Attack Islamic fundamentalists for not being secular. What contradiction?!

23. Do not notice the irony that the US is currently fighting an incredibly expensive, losing war against an opponent which it funded, supported, and even handed its first victory in Afghanistan.

24. What should you say when confronted with all the continuing and often worsening problems in the world today, and asked for a solution? FREEDOM!! (Repeat as necessary until your opponent goes away)

25. Nothing from “Communists” can be trusted. Unless it somehow works in your favor, ala Khrushchev’s ‘Secret Speech’ from 1956, or anything Trotsky wrote.

26. Communist leaders were ‘paranoid’ for devoting so much time to security against counter-revolution. Ignore the mountains of evidence, including the restoration of capitalism in the East Bloc, that this threat was indeed real.

27. Communist regimes were never popular. If proof is presented in various cases to show otherwise, claim that the people were brainwashed. Make no effort to consider the budgetary and logistic constraints on such an undertaking.

28. Communist propaganda is crude and primitive. If someone mentions Red Dawn or worse, mentions the J. Edgar Hoover-endorsed comic book series known as The Godless Communists, run away.

29. Praise secularism in the name of ‘freedom’ and ‘pluralism’ until faced with a Communist. Then play the religion card.

30. Atrocities and other bad things that happen under non-Communist regimes are the fault of individual ‘bad people’. Anything bad that happens under a ‘Communist’ regime is the fault of the ideology and system. And Stalin.

31. Being an anti-Communist means not having to have any sort of ideological consistency whatsoever. Preach populist left-wing pseudo-socialism 90% of the time, and then compare the capitalist system to “Stalin’s Russia”(if you never really studied the subject, just read 1984 and Animal Farm). ***** about capitalism 99% of the time, but balk when someone suggests Communism as an alternative. Far right wing Fascist? Constantly ***** about cultural degeneracy under capitalism, while remaining fanatically opposed to Marxism for no discernable reason save for your affinity for historic nationalism.

32. If you’re an anarchist, keep pointing out the ‘failure’ of Marxism while ignoring the fact that your ideology has a 100% failure rate throughout its entire history. Blame those failures on Communists, or stronger military powers. Ignore the fact that the most wonderful society is worthless if it can’t defend itself from reaction.

33. Neo-Nazi? Communism is Jewish!! Debate over.

34. Neo-Hippy? Tibet!

35. Constantly condemn the genocide that allegedly occurred under Mao, while ignoring the US’ relations with China established by Nixon, and the massive role capitalist China has played in the modern US economy. When you want to talk positively about China, it’s a capitalist country. If you need to criticize it, it’s still ‘Communist’.

36. Claim Marxism is not empirical. Neither are neo-liberalism, ‘democracy’, or ‘freedom’, but don’t worry about that.

37. Always insist that despite the location, country, historical era, past experience, and all other factors, Communists must want to recreate a modern-day copy of Stalin’s Russia, and all that entails according to you. Do not notice the inherent idiocy in this concept, such as your particular country being already industrialized, and not having a historical problem of severe backwardness.

38. Learn to use the magic word ‘totalitarian’. This word allows you to link two ideological opposites, Communism and Fascism.

39. Ignore the fact that socialist states experienced more economic problems parallel to the number of market reforms they made.

40. When challenged about numbers or historical context, resort to labels like “ruthless tyrant”, “cruel murderer”, and such. Remember, people like Stalin were mass-murderers because of all the people they killed, and we know they killed all those people because they were mass-murderers. It totally tracks!

Jazzhands
20th July 2010, 03:03
by J. Slavyanski

1. Constantly insist that Marxism is discredited, outdated, and totally dead and buried. Then proceed to build a lucrative career on beating that supposedly ‘dead’ horse for the rest of your working life.

2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states.

3. Communism or Marxism is whatever you want it to be. Feel free to label countries, movements, and regimes as ‘Communist’ regardless of things like actual goals, stated ideology, diplomatic relations, economic policy, or property relations.

4. If there was a conflict involving Communists, the conflict and all ensuing deaths can be laid at the feet of Communism. Be careful when applying this to WWII. Fascist movements who fought against the Soviets or Communist partisans are fine, but try not to openly praise Nazi Germany. Save that for private conversations if you must do so.

5. You decide what Marxism “really means”, and who the rightful representatives of Communism were. Feign interest that Trotsky was somehow robbed of power by Stalin, despite the fact that you hate him as well.

6. Constantly talk about George Orwell. Quote from Animal Farm or 1984. Do not worry about the fact that he never set foot in the Soviet Union and both of those books are novels.

7. Quote massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about anyone checking your work, which is good for you seeing that you probably haven’t done any.

8. Everyone ever arrested under a Communist regime was most likely innocent of any crime. Communists only arrested harmless poets and political prophets who had a beautiful message to share with the world.

9. Everything Stalin did or didn’t do had some sinister ulterior motive. Everything.

10. Keeping with the spirit of #9, remember that Stalin was an omnipotent being, perhaps an incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, who had full awareness of everything going on in the Soviet Union and total control over every occurrence which took place between 1924 and 1953. Everything that occurred during that time was the will of Stalin. Stalin knew the exact details of every criminal case that took place during that era and out of his boundless cruelty, had tons of innocent people shot for no reason regardless of where they were or their position in life. Being omnipotent, he was not dependent on information passed up from tens of thousands of subordinates.

11. Constantly attack ‘Communist’ regimes for actions that occur in capitalist regimes up to this very day.

12. Claim that Marxism is utopian because of its description of a possible future society. Alternately claim that Marxism failed because it never gave a detailed description of how a Communist society would look. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.

13. Start referring to Marxism as being some kind of religious faith, Messianic, or whatever other spiritualist bullshit you can come up with. When people point out that you can draw similarities between virtually any political ideology and other religions, ignore them.

14. Remember the one-two anti-Communist attack: Attack the post-Stalin system on economic grounds, and claim it just doesn’t work. Since an informed opponent will most likely point out that actual socialist economics did indeed work during the Stalin era, and in fact worked very well, attack that era on human rights grounds.

15. Two words- Human nature. What is human nature? For your purposes, human nature is a quick explanation why political ideas or systems you don’t like are wrong.

16. Bolshevik revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed. Bourgeois revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever.

17. Use words like ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ constantly. Do not accept any challenge to define these terms.

18. Communists can be for or against whatever is popular in your particular area. If you are preaching to a right-wing crowd, Communists are for degeneration and homosexuality. If you are preaching to a more mainstream audience, Communists were homophobic. Essentially, Communists are for moral degeneration and puritanical prudery at the same time. Again, do not notice the contradiction.

19. Constantly flog Stalin over the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, while totally ignoring massive support and collaboration with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan on the part of America, Britain, and France, long before the war and even after in some ways. As usual, do not allow your opponent to examine the context of the non-aggression pact.

20. Praise the newfound “freedom” of Eastern Europe. Ignore the massive depopulation via migration, plunging birthrates, huge alcohol and drug problems, political instability, civil wars, ethnic cleansing, sex trafficking and child prostitution, organized crime, high suicide rates, unemployment, disease, etc. Who cares about all that when you have freedom of speech?!

21. Constantly talk about the culture of fear in Communist nations, about that ‘knock on the door’ in the middle of the night. Ignore the ‘kick in your door in the middle of the night, stick a shotgun in your back, and haul your ass out of bed etc. because you are suspected of dealing,’ a normal occurrence in the American War on Drugs.

22. Attack Communists for suppression of religion. Attack Islamic fundamentalists for not being secular. What contradiction?!

23. Do not notice the irony that the US is currently fighting an incredibly expensive, losing war against an opponent which it funded, supported, and even handed its first victory in Afghanistan.

24. What should you say when confronted with all the continuing and often worsening problems in the world today, and asked for a solution? FREEDOM!! (Repeat as necessary until your opponent goes away)

25. Nothing from “Communists” can be trusted. Unless it somehow works in your favor, ala Khrushchev’s ‘Secret Speech’ from 1956, or anything Trotsky wrote.

26. Communist leaders were ‘paranoid’ for devoting so much time to security against counter-revolution. Ignore the mountains of evidence, including the restoration of capitalism in the East Bloc, that this threat was indeed real.

27. Communist regimes were never popular. If proof is presented in various cases to show otherwise, claim that the people were brainwashed. Make no effort to consider the budgetary and logistic constraints on such an undertaking.

28. Communist propaganda is crude and primitive. If someone mentions Red Dawn or worse, mentions the J. Edgar Hoover-endorsed comic book series known as The Godless Communists, run away.

29. Praise secularism in the name of ‘freedom’ and ‘pluralism’ until faced with a Communist. Then play the religion card.

30. Atrocities and other bad things that happen under non-Communist regimes are the fault of individual ‘bad people’. Anything bad that happens under a ‘Communist’ regime is the fault of the ideology and system. And Stalin.

31. Being an anti-Communist means not having to have any sort of ideological consistency whatsoever. Preach populist left-wing pseudo-socialism 90% of the time, and then compare the capitalist system to “Stalin’s Russia”(if you never really studied the subject, just read 1984 and Animal Farm). ***** about capitalism 99% of the time, but balk when someone suggests Communism as an alternative. Far right wing Fascist? Constantly ***** about cultural degeneracy under capitalism, while remaining fanatically opposed to Marxism for no discernable reason save for your affinity for historic nationalism.

32. If you’re an anarchist, keep pointing out the ‘failure’ of Marxism while ignoring the fact that your ideology has a 100% failure rate throughout its entire history. Blame those failures on Communists, or stronger military powers. Ignore the fact that the most wonderful society is worthless if it can’t defend itself from reaction.

33. Neo-Nazi? Communism is Jewish!! Debate over.

34. Neo-Hippy? Tibet!

35. Constantly condemn the genocide that allegedly occurred under Mao, while ignoring the US’ relations with China established by Nixon, and the massive role capitalist China has played in the modern US economy. When you want to talk positively about China, it’s a capitalist country. If you need to criticize it, it’s still ‘Communist’.

36. Claim Marxism is not empirical. Neither are neo-liberalism, ‘democracy’, or ‘freedom’, but don’t worry about that.

37. Always insist that despite the location, country, historical era, past experience, and all other factors, Communists must want to recreate a modern-day copy of Stalin’s Russia, and all that entails according to you. Do not notice the inherent idiocy in this concept, such as your particular country being already industrialized, and not having a historical problem of severe backwardness.

38. Learn to use the magic word ‘totalitarian’. This word allows you to link two ideological opposites, Communism and Fascism.

39. Ignore the fact that socialist states experienced more economic problems parallel to the number of market reforms they made.

40. When challenged about numbers or historical context, resort to labels like “ruthless tyrant”, “cruel murderer”, and such. Remember, people like Stalin were mass-murderers because of all the people they killed, and we know they killed all those people because they were mass-murderers. It totally tracks!

Here's something you should have said instead of (or adding to) 6. "Ignore the fact that both were written by Orwell, who was in fact a socialist. Also ignore that Animal Farm was about how Stalin was destroying communism and Goldstein's book said the same of Big Brother." Actually, 25 is mostly wrong. The reactionaries mostly completely ignore Khrushchev's speech because their goal is to make him and all the other leaders exactly the same as Stalin. Trotsky actually works against them because he shows how Stalin is not the same as communism and actually murdered all the Old Bolsheviks i.e. the real communists. (NOT TRYING TO START A SECTARIAN DEBATE THIS IS JUST WHAT HE SAID)

which is NOT what the anticoms want you to believe. they want you to believe that every single one of us is Stalin, including Trotsky, to make it seem like whatever they say about Stalin is an inevitable effect of communism. and of course, every single communist, including everyone on Revleft, has killed at least as many people as Hitler.:rolleyes:

bcbm
20th July 2010, 03:48
yaaawn

93'perfuck
20th July 2010, 05:58
i quite like it

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
20th July 2010, 11:41
or that the fact he was a staunch supporter of socialism that would make conservatives like Glenn Beck cringe if they actually knew his views.

He was such a staunch supporter he cooperated with British intelligence! That sure would make Glenn Beck proud to be his friend.

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 11:52
He was such a staunch supporter he cooperated with British intelligence! That sure would make Glenn Beck proud to be his friend.

He was still a socialist. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

meow
20th July 2010, 12:13
He was such a staunch supporter he cooperated with British intelligence! That sure would make Glenn Beck proud to be his friend.
lovely yes? what does "cooperate" mean here? i understand he compiled a list of public figures based on there public work that he said might have sympathy with ussr.

hardly something that can mean he is not socialist. plus he was anti ussr so to him it was not against what he wanted.

on the main topic i think it is some times funny. but to long. pick 20 best ones and use them most. also where is it from? who is j slavyansk?

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
20th July 2010, 12:32
He was still a socialist. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Collaborating with British authorities is very good and sound, eh. "Well they're not as bad as those evil Russians..." Remember that rape story, too? I thought you wanted them to hang. Eric Blair is overrated.

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 12:33
Collaborating with British authorities is very good and sound, eh. "Well they're not as bad as those evil Russians..." Remember that rape story, too? I thought you wanted them to hang. Eric Blair is overrated.

I think you just have a personal axe to grind with me. calm down, it's just the internet.

NecroCommie
20th July 2010, 12:38
Do not listen to the wankers above! The list is pure gold the way it is now. :thumbup1:

Sir Comradical
20th July 2010, 14:23
This is a fantastic thread. The first point is dead on.

QFT comrade!!

Sir Comradical
20th July 2010, 14:41
I'll add some!

41. Claim that socialism forces people to work like slaves. Then claim that socialism makes people lazy. Do not notice the contradiction.

42. If you read about empty churches in the Soviet Union, then you should claim that religion is being repressed. If you read about record attendance at churches in the Soviet Union, then all that demonstrates is that people were seeking refuge from the godlessness and pure evil of socialism. Do not notice the contradiction.

43. Poverty under capitalism should be blamed on the victim. Poverty under socialism is solely due to Marxist ideology and absolutely nothing else.

Charles Xavier
20th July 2010, 15:06
He was still a socialist. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Socialist in name only.

Rusty Shackleford
20th July 2010, 16:37
Socialist in name only.


Homage to Catalonia is really his only great political work. 1984 and Animal Farm are good reads but political dung.

Jazzhands
20th July 2010, 21:23
Homage to Catalonia is really his only great political work. 1984 and Animal Farm are good reads but political dung.

um...no. 1984 is a warning about the dangers of over-concentrated power and the general trend of the world at that time. Anyone who has actually read it and understood the context knows that it scared the living shit out of the entire world enough that it encouraged a lot of people to wake up and see the oppression around them.

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 21:31
here is another one I just came up with:


"Tell a communist that, under communism, there is no motive to work if everyone gets paid the exact same wage no matter how hard they work. then, conveniently ignore the fact that an hourly wage worker who works his hardest at a company like Wal-mart or McDonalds gets paid the exact same wage no matter how hard he works"at least under communism, your needs are covered...can't say the same for walmart, mcdonalds, etc.

727Goon
20th July 2010, 21:42
Socialist in name only.

Socialist who took a bullet to the throat for the struggle. What the fuck have you done lately?

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 21:48
Socialist who took a bullet to the throat for the struggle. What the fuck have you done lately?

Yeah, that's right, didn't he fight in an actual war against fascism in Spain? how can one really criticize him, when no one else on here (I'm assuming) has a track record to match his commitment to anti-fascist leftism?

PilesOfDeadNazis
20th July 2010, 21:56
The list is fucking genius. :) Good work.

Fietsketting
20th July 2010, 21:58
Homage to Catalonia is really his only great political work. 1984 and Animal Farm are good reads but political dung.

You must be joking right? Look around you and see how right he was.

Blackscare
20th July 2010, 22:26
Also, request that this thread be sticky'd?

Sticky for a veiled swipe at other leftists by weaseling in sectarian statements between points about right winger anti-socialists? I hope not.

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 22:28
Sticky for a veiled swipe at other leftists by weaseling in sectarian statements between points about right winger anti-socialists? I hope not.

oh...my bad, I didn't see that. hrm. :blink:

RedScare
20th July 2010, 22:38
I like most of the points raised by the OP, but I'm not a fan of Stalin, and #10, while true to a limited degree, leaves me wondering how much of a Stalin apologist the author of the list was. Seriously, a list like this has much more mass appeal if you take out the ones trying to completely exonerate Stalin.

Wanted Man
20th July 2010, 22:41
Well, the author is a hoxhaist after all. ;)

I used to think it was pretty clever and funny, but it becomes a bit tired after a while. Perhaps he could condense it into the 10 or 20 most important points.


Homage to Catalonia is really his only great political work. 1984 and Animal Farm are good reads but political dung.

I actually kind of liked the whole theme of language deterioration in 1984. Not a fan of Animal Farm though.

Adi Shankara
20th July 2010, 22:43
Animal farm wasn't even anti-communist though. It was just anti-Stalinist. that is the biggest thing most conservative (not saying you're a conservative, mind you) critics seem to miss out of the book's theme.

I thought it was a very good book, at the least for it's entertainment value.

Adil3tr
20th July 2010, 22:43
He was such a staunch supporter he cooperated with British intelligence! That sure would make Glenn Beck proud to be his friend.

That man almost died for the POUM, he is every socialists comrade. Really, read Homage to Catalonia and you'll realize he was a lifelong socialist in the real marxist tradition.

Rusty Shackleford
20th July 2010, 23:01
Well, the author is a hoxhaist after all. ;)

I used to think it was pretty clever and funny, but it becomes a bit tired after a while. Perhaps he could condense it into the 10 or 20 most important points.



I actually kind of liked the whole theme of language deterioration in 1984. Not a fan of Animal Farm though.

yeah actually you have a point there. the language change in that book was very interesting. it sort of remind me of the language deterioration in the film "Idiocracy."

And i agree, animal farm sucked(politically). although in the film, the animals did do a good ass kicking of the farmers.

JacobVardy
20th July 2010, 23:22
He was such a staunch supporter he cooperated with British intelligence! That sure would make Glenn Beck proud to be his friend.

He did not "cooperate" with British intelligence. He did create a list of people he felt were unsuitable to produce propaganda against the then leadership of the USSR, because they were sympathetic to the leadership of the USSR. This list was based on published writings. This list was produced on behest of the Labour Parties' Foreign Office. Orwell saw it as supporting a potentially socialist government against an unsocialist government. Whilst i'd disagree with Orwell's assessment, his actions were definitely not collaboration with the fash, as some like to make out.

Furthermore, Orwell's original introduction to 1984 makes it quite clear that the novel is about censorship and the state of English politics.

bie
20th July 2010, 23:55
We could add some more:

41) When people who actually lived under socialism and who remember that times are careless enough to say that their quality of lives was much better regarding almost all aspects under communism, say that it is just a sentiment and nostalgia for the past. Say that they were young and that everyone remembers their youth well. Ignore that it only applies to communist states, and that for some strange reason you will not find eg. Roosevelt or Churchill posters on street demonstrations, but Stalin's.

Sir Comradical
21st July 2010, 00:47
We could add some more:

41) When people who actually lived under socialism and who remember that times are careless enough to say that their quality of lives was much better regarding almost all aspects under communism, say that it is just a sentiment and nostalgia for the past. Say that they were young and that everyone remembers their youth well. Ignore that it only applies to communist states, and that for some strange reason you will not find eg. Roosevelt or Churchill posters on street demonstrations, but Stalin's.

Or

Champion the criticisms of anyone who lived under socialism, but when people who lived under socialism tell you how much better the quality of life was, tell them it's because they're brainwashed with communist propaganda.

HammerAlias
21st July 2010, 01:21
Smells like satire, looks like satire and.. *licks the screen* Tastes like satire.. :rolleyes:

bailey_187
21st July 2010, 17:59
That man almost died for the POUM, he is every socialists comrade. Really, read Homage to Catalonia and you'll realize he was a lifelong socialist in the real marxist tradition.

Orwell was not at all a Marxist. He described himself as a socialist, but so do many people, especially in 1930s-40s Europe.

His joining of the POUM is hardly evidence of his Marxism. He says in the book you are telling people to read that he knew little of the POUM, he just wanted to fight fascism.

McCroskey
22nd July 2010, 01:12
George Orwell considered himself more or less a socialist, but he didn´t go to Spain to fight for the revolution, he went to fight against fascism, and, initially, he was not very sympathetic to the POUM and CNT´s line of revolutionary work, as he though that they should integrate in the communist popular army and that victory in the war must come first, revolution later. But after witnessing (and being a victim) of Stalin´s repression and murder of revolutionaries in Catalonia, he became deeply disinchanted with orthodox communism. He later declared he believed in "democratic socialism".

McCroskey
22nd July 2010, 01:15
His joining of the POUM is hardly evidence of his Marxism. He says in the book you are telling people to read that he knew little of the POUM, he just wanted to fight fascism.

He never joined the POUM. He was sent to a POUM-organised militia because he arrived in Spain with ILP papers, but he never became a member of the party.

bailey_187
22nd July 2010, 13:10
He never joined the POUM. He was sent to a POUM-organised militia because he arrived in Spain with ILP papers, but he never became a member of the party.

yeah sorry i meant "join" not in formal membership but joined as in started fighting with them

Charles Xavier
26th July 2010, 21:36
I've done a lot more than Orwell to fight for socialism.

ContrarianLemming
26th July 2010, 21:45
The OP is pro stalin

Rusty Shackleford
26th July 2010, 21:49
I've done a lot more than Orwell to fight for socialism.
im split on the subject of orwell, but he did fight in spain against franco.

DaringMehring
26th July 2010, 23:53
1) Stop caring about whether the workers are in power.

2) ...

Red Commissar
27th July 2010, 00:38
Point 32 and the swipes against other socialists really weren't necessary. He could have made a fine list with out those in my opinion.

Die Neue Zeit
27th July 2010, 02:39
Well, the author is a hoxhaist after all. ;)


I know of no Hoxhaist who is a member of the "revisionist" Official Communist Parties.

Lenin II
30th July 2010, 06:53
Very nice list.

On Orwell from an APL work:


George Orwell's List

To this day, it is still a practice of students in imperialist countries to be forced to read the mediocre novels of another Trotskyite, George Orwell, whom of course is always widely read and praised by Trotskyites not on the basis of art, but on the sheer basis of crude anti-communism. His writings Animal Farm and 1984 are still taken as an absolute dogma regarding the Soviet Union. The two fictional novels are taken as a realistic portrayal of what life under communism was truly like. This is in spite of Orwell admitting himself: “I have never visited Russia and my knowledge of it consists only of what can be learned by reading books and newspapers” (Orwell 366). The anti-Soviet and anti-communist streak of ultra-leftists with Trotskyite leanings such Orwell continues here unabated. After fighting in the Spanish Civil War with P.O.U.M. faction, Orwell fled Spain and submitted names of people he thought were to be communist sympathizers to the British Intelligence service and gave names of people he thought could be trusted to write anti-communist propaganda.

Timothy Garton Ash, a writer for The New York Review of Books, was given access to the archives of the British Foreign Office and was allowed to see the original list. He wrote that “[t]here are 135 names in all…” (Ash). Of the list of his former comrades he betrayed to the British imperialists, ash notes that they were “especially important to anticommunist leftists like Orwell who were convinced, as he himself wrote, ‘that the destruction of the Soviet myth [is] essential if we want to revive the Socialist movement’” (Ash). This list was assembled at the request of the British government.

“[O]n March 29, Celia came to visit him in Glouces-tershire; but she also came with a mission. She was working for this new department of the Foreign Office, trying to counter the assault waves of communist propaganda emanating from Stalin’s recently founded Comin- form. Could he help? As she recorded in her official memorandum of their meeting, Orwell ‘expressed his whole-hearted and enthusiastic approval of our aims’” (Ash). This was the same “Celia,” a British agent, whom “Robert Conquest, the veteran chronicler of Soviet terror, […] shared an office with Celia Kirwan and himself fell ‘madly in love’ with her” (Ash).

Notably, Ash reported that George Orwell felt the need to ethnically identify his communist and pro-Soviet comrades for the benefit of their enemies. “One aspect of the notebook that shocks our contemporary sensibility is his ethnic labeling of people, especially the eight variations of ‘Jewish?’ (Charlie Chaplin), ‘Polish Jew,’ ‘English Jew,’ or ‘Jewess’” (Ash). Fittingly enough, one of the benefits Orwell received for writing and submitting the list was promotion of his work by both the British government and the CIA:

“In Orwell’s case, [British Intelligence department IRD] supported Burmese, Chinese, and Arabic editions of his Animal Farm, commissioned a rather crude strip-cartoon version of the same book (giving the pig Major a Lenin beard, and the pig Napoleon a Stalin moustache, in case simple-minded readers didn’t get the point), and organized showings in ‘backward’ areas of the British Commonwealth of a CIA-financed—and politically distorted—animated film of Animal Farm” (Ash).

Ash, Timothy. "Orwell’s List." New York Review of Books 25 Sept. 2003: n. pag. Web.

Kayser_Soso
30th July 2010, 14:56
Point 32 and the swipes against other socialists really weren't necessary. He could have made a fine list with out those in my opinion.

So then the Trots and anarchists on this board won't take any more swipes at "Stalinists" any more then? I for one see that item validated all the time.



Here's something that could be added to the list:

41. When arguing against a Communist, always claimed you lived in the USSR, no matter how unlikely this is based on your age.