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Delenda Carthago
19th July 2010, 18:40
Dressed like cops,3 guys went to his house today at 5.30 am,killed one of the most dirty reporters in Greece.The cops on the ballistic exams saw the guns of Revolutionaries Secht,a nihilist terrorist group who was away for the last year.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6gZmiJ82xEw/SkOtoKkHVHI/AAAAAAAAAMc/tTx4M9SJjlM/s400/Σέχτα+Επαναστατών+1.jpg

bleh
19th July 2010, 20:24
who is this guy

Wanted Man
19th July 2010, 21:14
The man was apparently researching corruption (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684185), so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.

EirSoc
19th July 2010, 23:18
Story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684185


Sokratis Giolias, 37, was shot more than 15 times in the Athens neighbourhood of Ilioupoli.

According to colleagues, he had been about to publish the results of an investigation into corruption.

Police said ballistics tests tied the killers' guns to previous attacks by the Sect of Revolutionaries.

Qayin
19th July 2010, 23:26
Is there a communique?

BeerShaman
19th July 2010, 23:57
Where did you see this thing?
Who mentionned the revolutionary secht?
WTF?!?!?!?!?!
I just heard the expression " gangster attack" and "3 people attacked the reporter today. It was a well organised job..."

Ernesto "Che" Guevara
20th July 2010, 00:10
The man was apparently researching corruption (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684185), so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.

:thumbup1:

Rock on friendly fire.

:rolleyes:

mykittyhasaboner
20th July 2010, 00:12
nihilist terrorist group

Wow, what is this world coming to?

Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?

Os Cangaceiros
20th July 2010, 00:31
Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?

Didn't the Narodniks have a nihilistic bent?

mykittyhasaboner
20th July 2010, 00:39
Didn't the Narodniks have a nihilistic bent?

Perhaps, though I'm not too knowledgeable on the Narodniks or any other nihilist movement, aside from their tendency to perform 'propaganda of the deed' nonsense like killing certain individuals. I can't say that nihilism, by my understanding of it, has any real political merit.

bcbm
20th July 2010, 03:29
good to see the strategy of tension getting another go around. idiots


Perhaps, though I'm not too knowledgeable on the Narodniks or any other nihilist movement, aside from their tendency to perform 'propaganda of the deed' nonsense like killing certain individuals. I can't say that nihilism, by my understanding of it, has any real political merit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_movement

Delenda Carthago
20th July 2010, 08:15
The man was apparently researching corruption (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684185), so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.
dude,dont be a fuckin idiot.this fucker was part of the corruption in Greece.He used to work for a guy that blackmailed the goverment with a DVD that had sexual scenes of a big goverment asshole,he had the biggest blog in Greece from where he attacked the left like every day...

as we say in Greece: a crow doesnt poke the eye off of another crow...

Wanted Man
20th July 2010, 09:07
Wow, what is this world coming to?

Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?

Good question. It seems that even quoting from The Big Lebowski can't answer this one.


dude,dont be a fuckin idiot.this fucker was part of the corruption in Greece.He used to work for a guy that blackmailed the goverment with a DVD that had sexual scenes of a big goverment asshole,he had the biggest blog in Greece from where he attacked the left like every day...

as we say in Greece: a crow doesnt poke the eye off of another crow...

So he was just a simple hack writer? Well, that justifies dressing yourself up in police gear to go and execute the guy. True "revolutionary" terrorists don't go for the big shots, but for the little fish; first a minor bureaucrat, now a reporter. No doubt, bloody murder of minor characters will really help revolution in Greece. Why bother with useless shit like organising working-class people, when you can just threaten to kill all journalists for having the bloody guts to report on daily affairs?

So anyway, according to this story (http://www.ilmattino.it/articolo.php?id=111219&sez=MONDO) (use Google Translate), the police now rule out terrorism, and suspect the involvement of organised crime. If this turns out to be true, can we still cheer? Hey, I heard the Mafia are actually really progressive guys!

Delenda Carthago
20th July 2010, 09:31
So he was just a simple hack writer? Well, that justifies dressing yourself up in police gear to go and execute the guy. True "revolutionary" terrorists don't go for the big shots, but for the little fish; first a minor bureaucrat, now a reporter. No doubt, bloody murder of minor characters will really help revolution in Greece. Why bother with useless shit like organising working-class people, when you can just threaten to kill all journalists for having the bloody guts to report on daily affairs?

So anyway, according to this story (http://www.ilmattino.it/articolo.php?id=111219&sez=MONDO) (use Google Translate), the police now rule out terrorism, and suspect the involvement of organised crime. If this turns out to be true, can we still cheer? Hey, I heard the Mafia are actually really progressive guys!


First you need to understand what this organisation is about:they are not targeting the "big fishes" but the small ones that support the system.Cops,rotten journalists,snitches etc. they said it on their communiques and they prove it in action.

Other than that,I dont know what are they thinking,but I dont let the revolution in the hands of someone who just holds a gun(specially them fuckin idiots of RS).I work for organising the class struggle.Does that means that I have to choose between the two?I dont think so.

Last,that story you posted is straight bs.They suspected mafia in the beggining(maybe because he was a such a nice guy!:laugh:)but later on the ballistics showed RS.Still,the media are promoting the idea of the minister of public order,that "the new age terrorists are connected with the organised crime".So,stop reading mainstream media and totally believe in them.

Wanted Man
20th July 2010, 11:23
But there is a pretty obvious choice to make. Regardless of who actually pulled the trigger, it has already created a serious problem. In almost every paper and news broadcast in the world, a "left-wing organisation" has once again been linked to a lowly murder. This will continue to happen, because these guys can't kill every journalist in the world. The consequences of this killing are strictly negative.

And, just like with the previous murder that was discussed here (of a ministerial bureaucrat), there are thousands of new journalists waiting in the wings to take over the job. What can terrorists do against that? Threaten and kill more of them, and create a climate where nobody dares to report anything any more, where the semblance of the "free press" is destroyed completely? That's more akin to the lead-up to Hitler's power grab in Germany, and it will be part of a massive reaction where all "rights" of bourgeois democracy will go out of the window.

Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for people who support class struggle and revolution to say, "They are not with us, and these are not our tactics. Who uses terrorism to silence the press? Government, big business, fascists, but not us."

Sasha
20th July 2010, 11:25
i'm no expert on balistics but i for one highly doubt you can make an acurate balastic comparison and run it through the system in under 10 hours and get an reliable answer, espacily in greece.

blaming the left terrorist boogymen is probapbly way more convient than admitting that organsied crime is excuting this kind of militairy operations in cop uniforms.

Delenda Carthago
20th July 2010, 12:10
But there is a pretty obvious choice to make. Regardless of who actually pulled the trigger, it has already created a serious problem. In almost every paper and news broadcast in the world, a "left-wing organisation" has once again been linked to a lowly murder. This will continue to happen, because these guys can't kill every journalist in the world. The consequences of this killing are strictly negative.

And, just like with the previous murder that was discussed here (of a ministerial bureaucrat), there are thousands of new journalists waiting in the wings to take over the job. What can terrorists do against that? Threaten and kill more of them, and create a climate where nobody dares to report anything any more, where the semblance of the "free press" is destroyed completely? That's more akin to the lead-up to Hitler's power grab in Germany, and it will be part of a massive reaction where all "rights" of bourgeois democracy will go out of the window.

Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for people who support class struggle and revolution to say, "They are not with us, and these are not our tactics. Who uses terrorism to silence the press? Government, big business, fascists, but not us."

Serious problem?Not here mate!Here in Greece a big part of the society hates the guts of the reporters.So,whoever is against the attack,would be against the attack anyways-right wingers etc.Plus,the fact that he wasnt rich doenst mean he wasnt a scum.Just to give you a clue to who that son of a ***** was:when the bomb went out 3 months ago and killed the Afgan kid,his blog(mind you,the biggest in Greece) cooperated with the Public Order ministry and without clues said it was Conspiracy of Cells of Fire behind it.And if that wasnt enough,he published the photo of the kid with his guts out.And this was only one of the many incidents he was involved into.

World is a better place without him.point blank period.And many people know that.Even I,who thought of the Secht guys as totaly morons,didnt shed a tear...

Enragé
20th July 2010, 15:22
Serious problem?Not here mate!Here in Greece a big part of the society hates the guts of the reporters.So,whoever is against the attack,would be against the attack anyways-right wingers etc.Plus,the fact that he wasnt rich doenst mean he wasnt a scum.Just to give you a clue to who that son of a ***** was:when the bomb went out 3 months ago and killed the Afgan kid,his blog(mind you,the biggest in Greece) cooperated with the Public Order ministry and without clues said it was Conspiracy of Cells of Fire behind it.And if that wasnt enough,he published the photo of the kid with his guts out.And this was only one of the many incidents he was involved into

oh noes! the media acts like the media does!


World is a better place without him.point blank period.

if he simply stopped existing then probably yes, but he was pushed out of existence by a 'revolutionary' group which will now be used to defamate revolutionaries even more. The way he was pushed out of this world didnt make the world a better place, but worse imo.

BeerShaman
20th July 2010, 17:50
Whatever has happened, we need to follow straight and social methods to cause revolution. So simple. I disagree with RS etc, but yes, he was a scum.
And, yes. This is very clever, it seems so real, it may be true. What that person said about the police blaming the nihilists for their "irresponsibility" to keep their bosses safe.

bie
20th July 2010, 19:12
I wouldn't be surprised if that group was the branch of the state's Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is easy to predict the state's strategy to push revolutionaries towards extremism in order to put them straight into jails and isolate them from the society. Although this subversive tactics will obviously fail (at least marxist-leninist groups have been well protected against such influence since Lenin's times), it is still harmful. It allows the state and private media to present revolutionaries in the false light as extremists, that may result in pushing some sections of the working class towards right-wing of social-democracy.

this is an invasion
21st July 2010, 01:04
The assassination of Sokratis Giolias is not a news item that would concern this blog much, not normally: his mafia-styled execution has absolutely nothing to do with the morality of the social antagonist movement, to which we belong. Neither of course had Giolias himself; a far cry from an “investigative journalist”, he has been much more accurately described by his own lawyer on the night following his death: Yiannis Maraκakis, interviewed during the news-show of Mega TV news on July 19th 2010, described Giolias as a “collaborator of the anti-terrorist unit” and assured the presenter that Giolias was close to all police sergeants and could have therefore asked for protection, if he had so wished (source: Athens IMC, in Greek).

Yet still, if we were to believe the correspondents of major international media outlets in Athens, Giolias was an “investigative journalist” (BBC news) who “sought to illuminate Greece’s seamier underside” (Helena Smith, The Guardian – Ms Smith failed to get his lawyer’s name right, even on her second attempt). Most international media outlets also carried the news that Giolias was about to publish an investigation into corruption… Whatever Giolias was, he was not an “independent” investigative journalist by any means: his blog had very often carried news items which could only been sourced directly from the police HQ – and often, he had exceeded the police themselves: for example on April 12th, 2010, only hours after the police had started making the arrests in connection to the “Revolutionary Struggle” case, his blog carried an “investigative” post (in greek with screen-shots on Athens IMC) falsely informing about the arrest of four well-known anarchists in Athens.

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stella2010
21st July 2010, 14:09
This was a professional hit organised from the top level, carried out by those who either did not need him any longer or simply did not like him.

This was paid intelligence work. I GUARANTEE you.

I could of been one of these people to carry out these tasks. Hmmm. spose I couldn't, i'm leftist.

Delenda Carthago
21st July 2010, 17:23
This was paid intelligence work. I GUARANTEE you.



how?

Rusty Shackleford
22nd July 2010, 19:10
how?
with a reciept for one expired reporter.




anyways it seems to be that greece is moving towards a much louder time. assasinations, bombings, and all that.

stella2010
23rd July 2010, 13:23
how?

Women, thats how.

Delenda Carthago
28th July 2010, 12:37
http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sexta111.jpg


A man called yesterday at the newspaper ‘Ta Nea’ and told the journalist where the communique was left. The full text is published today in this newspaper. As the police had predicted, the ‘Sect of Revolutionaries’ has claimed responsibility for the excecution of Socratis Giolias a week ago.
They have also published a photo of the group’s firearms (above),in similar style to what the group ‘November 17′ used to do some years ago. The communique is 7-pages long.

GrungeGestapo
28th July 2010, 13:47
I did some more research on this Giolias guy. He was corrupt. I would have popped a cap in his ass too.

Qayin
28th July 2010, 22:45
A man called yesterday at the newspaper ‘Ta Nea’ and told the journalist where the communique was left. The full text is published today in this newspaper. As the police had predicted, the ‘Sect of Revolutionaries’ has claimed responsibility for the excecution of Socratis Giolias a week ago.
They have also published a photo of the group’s firearms (above),in similar style to what the group ‘November 17′ used to do some years ago. The communique is 7-pages long.
Care to share?

Raúl Duke
29th July 2010, 07:51
Considering that there was a "corruption investigation" going on of government officials and that allegedly this could be a mob hit...

Than it's possible that some government official/politician ordered the hit.

I mean, I don't know how it is in Greece, but in Italy I've heard some politicians have Mafia ties.

Delenda Carthago
29th July 2010, 08:17
Care to share?
sure.here buddy
http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1195938

Delenda Carthago
29th July 2010, 08:18
Considering that there was a "corruption investigation" going on of government officials and that allegedly this could be a mob hit...

Than it's possible that some government official/politician ordered the hit.

I mean, I don't know how it is in Greece, but in Italy I've heard some politicians have Mafia ties.
giolias was a big part of that "corruption".he was involved in 4 of the biggest scandals the last 6 years!stop believing the mainstream media!

Os Cangaceiros
29th July 2010, 08:28
sure.here buddy
http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1195938

I'll give you a big cyber cookie if you translate that for us.

Delenda Carthago
29th July 2010, 08:37
I'll give you a big cyber cookie if you translate that for us.
dude,no way.seriously.7 pages?I work 2 jobs.lawd have mercy!

Os Cangaceiros
29th July 2010, 08:59
I tried translating it with an online translator...came out pretty garbled, but from what I gathered they killed him because of his corruption and collaboration with the state (including something about the death of Hamidullah Najafi in the bomb attack)?

They also declare their intention to turn Greece into a "war zone":


We strive to become a war zone revolutionary processes with brutality, sabotage, combative marches, bomb attacks, armed executions and not to a destination with vacation and recreation. We have a war with the Republic.

Thirsty Crow
29th July 2010, 13:51
This is sheer insanity and utter stupidity.

Qayin
29th July 2010, 20:50
Post the Link into Google and hit translate page. Best we can do for now.

Ravachol
2nd August 2010, 17:08
As stated above by bie and bcbm, I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort attempt at an updated version of the strategy of tension. The style of the attack and the choice of target (despite him being a scumbag) point towards a false flag attack.

The RS 'weapons stash' picture included in the CD-r given to the media is also pretty cliche:

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sexta111.jpg

No serious revolutionary group would provide the police and intelligence services with a photograph of (a large part of) their weapons arsenal, unless a certain 'image' of 'dangerous, armed, left-wing terrorists' is to be conveyed to the media :rolleyes:

There is a big history of US-backed covert operations by the Greek state in collaboration with right-wing elements, stretching fromthe end of WWII to Greece's version of the GLADIO stay-behind network dubbed 'Sheepskin'.



The turn around of the British came as a shock to ELAS and its difficulties
increased when former Nazi collaborators and right-wing special units, such as
the fascist X Bands of Cypriot soldier George Grivas, with British support started to hunt and kill ELAS resistance fighters. Churchill, who observed the battle from a distance, noticed however that the X Bands, for complete lack of popular support, never numbered more than 600 Greeks and hence ELAS remained the strongest guerrilla on the territory. It was in this context that in late 1944 he decided that something more had to be done in order to prevent the Greek Communists from reaching positions of power.
Churchill therefore gave orders that a new Greek right-wing secret army had to be set up whereupon, as journalist Peter Murtagh relates, a 'new Greek army unit was established, which came to be known variously as the Greek Mountain Brigade, the Hellenic Raiding Force, or LOK, its Greek acronym (Lochos Oreinon Katadromon)'.
(..)
By some ideological alchemy Truman labelled the corrupt right-wing regime
in Athens as 'democratic' and dismissed its opponents on the left as 'terrorists', as US forces with heavy military equipment landed in Greece. The left-wing partisan force of some 20,000 men and women, scattered in the Greek mountains, was outnumbered six to one as the US special units linked up with the Hellenic Raiding Force and other units of the Greek right. When Stalin realised that the civil war in Greece could lead to a superpower confrontation, Yugoslavia was excluded from the Soviet Bloc in 1948 where upon the arms supply for the Greek partisans ebbed away. Their situation became desperate as the Hellenic Raiding Force operating under US command was excellently equipped and gained strength. The United States secretly started 'Operation Torch' and used chemical warfare to defeat the Greek partisans by dropping thousands of gallons of Napalm on Greece. In late 1948 the Greek resistance, which on their native soil had defeated both the German Nazis and the British troops, collapsed. 'The end of the civil war meant total victory for the Greek Right and its patron, the United States.'
(..)
The clandestine cooperation between the US secret service, the Greek military and the Greek government was repeatedly confirmed in secret documents, the existence of which the Greek public learned with some surprise during the Gladio discoveries in 1990. They included a document on the Greek secret army dated March 25, 1955 signed by US General Trascott for the CIA, Konstantin Dovas, Chief of Staff of the Greek military, as well as Greek Prime Minister Alexander Papagos.10 The parties involved reconfirmed the agreement on the Greek secret army on May 3, 1960.11 According to Murtagh the running of the Hellenic Raiding Force was a major
project of the CIA in Greece.
(..)
As far as Greece was concerned the CIA according to Agee had played a decisive role. 'The Greek-American CIA officer recruited several groups of Greek citizens for what the CIA called, "a nucleus for rallying a citizen army against the threat of a leftist coup." Each of the several groups was trained and equipped to act as an autonomous guerrilla unit, capable of mobilising and carrying on guerrilla warfare with minimal or no outside direction.'
(..)
Agee related and highlighted: "The Paramilitary Group, as far as can be determined, was never disbanded. In the eyes of senior CIA officials, the groups under the direction of the paramilitary branch are seen as long term "insurance" for the interests of the United States in Greece, to be used to assist or to direct the possible overthrow of an "unsympathetic" Greek government. "Unsympathetic" of course to American manipulation.'

Magón
2nd August 2010, 18:13
As stated above by bie and bcbm, I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort attempt at an updated version of the strategy of tension. The style of the attack and the choice of target (despite him being a scumbag) point towards a false flag attack.

The RS 'weapons stash' picture included in the CD-r given to the media is also pretty cliche:

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sexta111.jpg

No serious revolutionary group would provide the police and intelligence services with a photograph of (a large part of) their weapons arsenal, unless a certain 'image' of 'dangerous, armed, left-wing terrorists' is to be conveyed to the media :rolleyes:

There have been plenty of serious groups and people to show off their arms: R.A.F, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackel, PLO, etc. have all sent pictures to police showing what they have in their arsenal (probably not all, just some flashy stuff to show off). And they were all pretty serious on what they wanted as far as I've read.

Ravachol
2nd August 2010, 19:08
There have been plenty of serious groups and people to show off their arms: R.A.F, Red Brigades, Carlos the Jackel, PLO, etc. have all sent pictures to police showing what they have in their arsenal (probably not all, just some flashy stuff to show off). And they were all pretty serious on what they wanted as far as I've read.

This is correct, I should have been more clear though. None (or almost none) of these groups showed of the bulk of their arsenal. The IRA, for example, has often staged 'shows of strength' by posing with their weapons to show that "they haven't gone away you know", but these 'shows of strength' were always limited to a few assault rifles and handguns, a tiny fraction of their arsenal. The same goes for the PLO, Brigate Rosse and R.A.F. which were organisations with far greater military capacities than SR (it's Sect of Revolutionaries, not Revolutionaries Sect) could possibly have.
This means that the pictures depicts the bulk, if not all, of the RS arsenal since it's highly unlikely they have the finances or organisational strength and manpower to gather and use a larger arsenal than this (given that SR has only come into existence in 2009).

Depicting the bulk of your arsenal is, no matter what other armed groups do, not a wise thing and is avoided by all serious armed groups. Why do you think the military prohibits unauthorized photographing of military equipment.

Magón
2nd August 2010, 19:34
This is correct, I should have been more clear though. None (or almost none) of these groups showed of the bulk of their arsenal. The IRA, for example, has often staged 'shows of strength' by posing with their weapons to show that "they haven't gone away you know", but these 'shows of strength' were always limited to a few assault rifles and handguns, a tiny fraction of their arsenal. The same goes for the PLO, Brigate Rosse and R.A.F. which were organisations with far greater military capacities than SR (it's Sect of Revolutionaries, not Revolutionaries Sect) could possibly have.
This means that the pictures depicts the bulk, if not all, of the RS arsenal since it's highly unlikely they have the finances or organisational strength and manpower to gather and use a larger arsenal than this (given that SR has only come into existence in 2009).

Depicting the bulk of your arsenal is, no matter what other armed groups do, not a wise thing and is avoided by all serious armed groups. Why do you think the military prohibits unauthorized photographing of military equipment.

But this is Greece we're talking about. Right there next to the Aegean Sea, (and the former Yugoslavia.) I'm sure that over the year of them being formed, the SR has made a few friends at least gun wise, maybe not politically, but gun wise. You'd be a pretty lame group to be shouting and showing some guns when you don't have anymore than what's in that picture. It's not hard to make friends, and I'm sure with enough snooping, you could find some illegal gun runner to bring you guns for some cost that's agreed upon. Plus, with organizations that are also Socialist/Anarchistic, that have been around longer, they might have come to some agreement with guns?

But I don't know, it's pure speculation on my part since most of what I'm basing this off of, is Bin Laden's ability to have Al Qaeda grow so fast in its early days.

Ravachol
2nd August 2010, 20:11
But this is Greece we're talking about. Right there next to the Aegean Sea, (and the former Yugoslavia.) I'm sure that over the year of them being formed, the SR has made a few friends at least gun wise, maybe not politically, but gun wise. You'd be a pretty lame group to be shouting and showing some guns when you don't have anymore than what's in that picture. It's not hard to make friends, and I'm sure with enough snooping, you could find some illegal gun runner to bring you guns for some cost that's agreed upon. Plus, with organizations that are also Socialist/Anarchistic, that have been around longer, they might have come to some agreement with guns?


Sure, all of that is possible, but so far SR's choice of targets hasn't been all that "revolutionary" (if there's even anything revolutionary about this kind of activity): one attack on a TV station, one attack on a counter-terrorist taskforce officer and the killing of the journalist. Pompous statements like:



"The cops are like doughnuts - they're no good unless they have a hole in the middle," it said. "Start handing in your resignations, otherwise we will start measuring graves."


Sound more like something out of a previously unreleased Die Hard sequal than a revolutionary communique (which tend to be rather poetic and jargon-dense in Greece).



But I don't know, it's pure speculation on my part since most of what I'm basing this off of, is Bin Laden's ability to have Al Qaeda grow so fast in its early days.

SR in Greece and Al Qaeda in Pakistan (where it originated) are really no comparable cases. Al Qaeda originated as a joint alliance between experienced Jihadists from Egypt and Bin Laden and managed to sustain itself because of Bin Laden's personal fortune. Real growth only happened due to US-backed resources and donations from Saudi businessmen and governement officials persuaded by Bin Laden when Al-Qaeda was active in Afghanistan. These resources, combined with the fertile political climate, the US-backing and the already extensive Jihadist networks and their sympathizers in the Pakistani and Saudi governements allowed Al-Qaeda to develop as it did.

SR, in contrast, came into existence in 2009 (though they may have been active under the radar for several years) and is estimated to have only a handfull of members (given the frequency and scale of their operations) with financing either coming from personal funds, small networks of supporters and/or bank robberies. From what I gather, however, SR is far from popular within the Greek radical left and hence it's highly unlikely they have the large networks of logistics, financing and support available 17N had and Revolutionary Struggle have.

If you ask me, SR is rather fishy on a lot of fronts.

Os Cangaceiros
2nd August 2010, 21:31
"The cops are like doughnuts - they're no good unless they have a hole in the middle," it said. "Start handing in your resignations, otherwise we will start measuring graves."

:lol:

numberzer0
8th August 2010, 19:14
Hi all, though I'll join the fun. For anyone who hasn't already came across it, here's the communiqué (in English) (http://actforfreedomnow.blogspot.com/2010/08/sect-of-revolutionaries-claims.html) claiming responsibility for the assassination. There's also a great report by John Brady Kiesling, former US diplomat, concerning Political Violence in Greece that gives some context to these type of acts that's defiantly worth a read, it touches on SR briefly. It can be found here. (http://www.bradykiesling.com/greek_political_violence.htm)

Dimentio
8th August 2010, 19:23
Hi all, though I'll join the fun. For anyone who hasn't already came across it, here's the communiqué (in English) (http://actforfreedomnow.blogspot.com/2010/08/sect-of-revolutionaries-claims.html) claiming responsibility for the assassination. There's also a great report by John Brady Kiesling, former US diplomat, concerning Political Violence in Greece that gives some context to these type of acts that's defiantly worth a read, it touches on SR briefly. It can be found here. (http://www.bradykiesling.com/greek_political_violence.htm)

I still believe they're supported by the Greek secret service. Why the fuck would they kill a journalist?

Dimentio
8th August 2010, 19:27
Greece for months now is in the eye of the cyclone by turning to the IMF and the financial deficit. One of the most lucrative sources of
money inflow is the summer tourism season. The execution of the journalist in conjunction with the guerrilla actions of the last year
we believe creates a negative image abroad for the safety of Greek territory and hits the national tourism industry. Tourists need to
know that Greece is no longer safe ground behind the lines of capitalism. We seek to become a war zone with revolutionary
processes with arsons, sabotage, militant marches, bombings, armed executions, not a vacation destination. We are at war with your
democracy. As for the financial crisis and the whining of society about the bleak future, we do not give a damn. We don't care about a world that protests the new unbearable economic measures without first having rebelled against the cheapness of the meaning of life inside the system; it deserves its fate.
This is so very much: "Muhahaha - we are evil anarchists fighting democracy!"

Anarchists and revolutionary socialists seldom claim to be anti-democratic. This is like an evil manifesto from a Batman or James Bond movie.