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trivas7
19th July 2010, 18:38
This award-winning documentary was directed by Latvian filmmaker, Edvīns nore, and debuted to considerable acclaim at film festivals worldwide in 2009. American audiences, if they haven't already caught the documentary on a few PBS outlets, may have seen clips aired on The Glenn Beck Show.

The film focuses primarily on the period between the 1930s to roughly the death of Stalin, with some attention paid to recent Putin-era Russian attitudes about Soviet history. One of the primary themes of the film is that the similarities and (temporary) alliance between the Nazis and the Soviets ran far deeper than even committed anti-Communists ever imagined, and that much of what the Nazis did can be traced, either as inspiration or even as direct technology transfer, to the Soviet Union. The idea that ethnic groups could be either wiped out entirely or significantly reduced, as a matter of organized extermination campaigns, may have had some roots in the Holodomor. This, we learn, was arguably the most efficient mass murder in history, as roughly seven million Ukrainians were starved to death in a single winter (1932-33) as a concerted campaign to sap the strength of Ukrainian resistance to Soviet rule.

http://www.sovietstory.com/

Nolan
19th July 2010, 18:57
So there's nothing new in this, just old, recycled Cold War and Beckist style propaganda.

Like all "Holodomor" conspiracy theories, they ignore the facts that famine affected places all over the Soviet Union, and the Ukraine part of it affected eastern Ukraine more - which means it killed mostly Ukrainians of Russian backgrounds. Oops.

Also, the death toll of the famine was actually around 3 million.

I'll fuck a horse if they don't say nazism=communism and make a bunch of asinine comparisons that could have been taken from Glenn Beck's special.

Barry Lyndon
19th July 2010, 19:21
So there's nothing new in this, just old, recycled Cold War and Beckist style propaganda.

Like all "Holodomor" conspiracy theories, they ignore the facts that famine affected places all over the Soviet Union, and the Ukraine part of it affected eastern Ukraine more - which means it killed mostly Ukrainians of Russian backgrounds. Oops.

Also, the death toll of the famine was actually around 3 million.

I'll fuck a horse if they don't say nazism=communism and make a bunch of asinine comparisons taken from Glenn Beck's special.

'Beckist'? Is that a word now?

Nolan
19th July 2010, 19:22
'Beckist'? Is that a word now?

Yes, as in the Glenn Beck style of propaganda. Yellow journalism.

RGacky3
19th July 2010, 21:40
I am no USSR appologist, but this is clearly a bunch of crap propeganda, things taken out of context and hyperbolized, its historical dishonesty at best. If you want to criticize the USSR from an actual historical basis its not that hard to do and thast an honest discussion, but this is just glenn beck style dishonesty.

#FF0000
19th July 2010, 21:44
If Glenn Beck gives something a positive review, that's a clear sign that it is worthless.

Bud Struggle
19th July 2010, 21:52
The Soviets were Butchers--here are some first hand accounts.

http://www.interruptedlives.org/trailer.php

You may not agree with what they believe--but there is no question that they should have been allowed to live their lives they way they wanted.

Dean
19th July 2010, 21:59
This award-winning documentary was directed by Latvian filmmaker, Edvīns nore, and debuted to considerable acclaim at film festivals worldwide in 2009. American audiences, if they haven't already caught the documentary on a few PBS outlets, may have seen clips aired on The Glenn Beck Show.

The film focuses primarily on the period between the 1930s to roughly the death of Stalin, with some attention paid to recent Putin-era Russian attitudes about Soviet history. One of the primary themes of the film is that the similarities and (temporary) alliance between the Nazis and the Soviets ran far deeper than even committed anti-Communists ever imagined, and that much of what the Nazis did can be traced, either as inspiration or even as direct technology transfer, to the Soviet Union. The idea that ethnic groups could be either wiped out entirely or significantly reduced, as a matter of organized extermination campaigns, may have had some roots in the Holodomor. This, we learn, was arguably the most efficient mass murder in history, as roughly seven million Ukrainians were starved to death in a single winter (1932-33) as a concerted campaign to sap the strength of Ukrainian resistance to Soviet rule.

http://www.sovietstory.com/

Yes, all the examples of ethnic unity (notably Pridnestrovia and Kyrgystan) under the Soviet regime sound just like Nazism. Oh, and even those who claim it to be a "tactical act of violence" admit:

As of March 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008#March), several governments[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-countriesmar2008-21) have recognized the actions of the Soviet government as an act of genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide). The joint statement at the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) in 2003 has defined the famine as the result of cruel actions and policies of the totalitarian regime that caused the deaths of millions of Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs and other nationalities in the USSR.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-UN-22) On 23 October 2008 the European Parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament) adopted a resolution[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-23) that recognized the Holodomor as a crime against humanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_humanity).[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-24)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

It may indeed have been a tactical act, but I sincerely doubt it, considering how unprecended - and useless - it would be in terms of USSR power-consolidation. But it was by no way stoking racial tensions - look to the antisemitic "Cosmopolitan Jew" stereotype if you want examples of USSR racism.

Sorry if this is too much reality for your fresh, neoconservative outlook. But you do remind me why I don't watch or listen to Beck, the irresponsible hack.