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Bad Grrrl Agro
18th July 2010, 20:12
I think it's obvious, this kid was targeted by the criminal injustice system for being a kid of color in a predominately white suburb.
<H1 class="columnist_name floatLeft">Eugene Kane | In My Opinion
Chicken nugget arrest is half baked
Teen accused of theft, faces charge for alleged taking of $2.60 meal at school
By Eugene Kane (http://us.mc1144.mail.yahoo.com/mc/
[email protected]) of the Journal Sentinel
</H1>Posted: July 17, 2010
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We could call it the "Great Chicken Nugget Heist," but that would be a bit over-the-top for such a minor league crime.
Of course, that's what some people think about the entire episode that led to charges filed against a 15-year-old student at Shorewood High School in the first place.
Let's explain:
Ava Hernandez, a Shorewood resident, is upset her 15-year-old brother, Adam, will face a trial on theft charges Tuesday for allegedly stealing a chicken nugget meal during lunch at the Shorewood High School cafeteria last March.
Adam, a freshman, denied the charges. According to him, it was all a misunderstanding.
He claims he didn't steal the $2.60 chicken nuggets but rather received it from a school friend who participated in a free lunch program at the school.
After his friend gave him the lunch, Adam said he was accused of stealing by a worker in the cafeteria, which led to an intense scene when Shorewood police were called to the school.
After some questioning, he was arrested by officers and placed in handcuffs in full view of his classmates.
After talks with school and village officials, Hernandez said she failed to persuade anyone to drop the charges, and now her brother is facing a theft charge on his record. If found guilty, he'll pay a fine just like it was a traffic violation, but his sister is still upset about the theft charge on his record.
"I just don't think that's fair," she told me. "This could follow him through his adult life."
Hernandez said she believed her brother was innocent but still wondered why some agreement couldn't have been reached to avoid prosecution of a minor for such a petty incident.
"How much money do you think they are spending to do this?" she asked. "It's not like it's the first time anybody ever shared a lunch."
Hernandez, who works for the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, said her brother is biracial but identified with African-American culture and at times felt isolated at school. She said he had had "a rough year" lately due to the typical challenges of young people but had no problem with the law and had never been suspended or reported as a discipline problem.
She also didn't like the fact he was placed in handcuffs.
"I don't think that was necessary."
According to the Shorewood police report, Adam wasn't very cooperative when he was interrogated about the alleged theft.
Hernandez said that was understandable. "With all that was happening to him, he just shut down. He's not a bad kid."
I spoke to James Hall, the attorney for Hernandez and her brother, who seemed baffled why the theft of a $2.60 school lunch had managed to work its way through the criminal justice system.
Hall, who specializes in civil rights cases, has held meetings with Shorewood court officials in an attempt to get the matter dismissed but with no success. As it stands, there will be a trial Tuesday that will end with the 15-year old either acquitted or found guilty of theft. Hall said it was likely the theft charge would be held open for a while and expunged from his record later if there were no other problems.
But clearly, what galls some about this months-long case is the refusal of Shorewood High School to just find a way to settle things.
Shorewood High School officials didn't return calls Friday for comment. But according to Shorewood School District superintendent Blane McCann, the district played no role in pressing charges against the boy.
McCann said he was restricted from talking about individual students.
"I can say we were not the complainants in this case," was all he offered.
But Hernandez and her attorney disputed that, noting that an assistant principal at the high school did push for charges against the student at a preliminary hearing earlier this year.
Although Hernandez has been assured her brother will get the theft charge expunged from his record if he stays out of trouble, she doesn't think that's the point. As someone concerned about the pipeline that sends young males, particularly minorities like her brother, to prison on a regular basis, she doesn't want him to start down that path.
"It's like they think he's expendable. I don't like the idea of someone his age already in the criminal system; that happens too often."
Some members of the community who support Adam Hernandez plan to hold a rally at Shorewood Village Hall at 4:30 p.m. before the scheduled trial.
Hernandez, who is married, moved to Shorewood from New Orleans six years ago and said she had always felt comfortable in the community until now. She's unsure if her brother plans to return to Shorewood High next fall.
"I just don't know why it had to go this far," she said.
Actually, it didn't. The "Great Chicken Nugget Heist" looks like somebody laid an egg.
Contact Eugene Kane at (414) 223-5521 or
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leftace53
18th July 2010, 20:27
And how many millions or billions have the bourgiouse stolen from their exploited workers? This is bullshit, and such an obvious sign of a racist police state.
Blackscare
18th July 2010, 21:03
I went to mcdonalds and I could not fucking believe they started charging fucking 2.60 for 6 chicken nuggets.
I believe a 4 piece is a dollar. So another two nuggets costs 150% more than the previous four? What the fuck.
And that story unsurprisingly fucked up.
The Red Next Door
18th July 2010, 21:09
My god, this is beyond fucking stupid, yes, it is clearly racist or maybe we are jumping to conclusion about this being a racial things. but most likely it could be or is a racist agenda behind this, because no one would make a big deal about something that cost in chump change, 2.60 is just chump change. christ, nobody can't have food. Plus why make a big deal over school lunch food, we all know how shitty this is, ruin someone life of this, how fuck up can one get? the worker need to be slap with common sense.
Jazzhands
18th July 2010, 21:10
:mad: fucking cops. this is EXACTLY what Victor Hugo was talking about in Les Mis.
The Red Next Door
18th July 2010, 21:11
I went to mcdonalds and I could not fucking believe they started charging fucking 2.60 for 6 chicken nuggets.
I believe a 4 piece is a dollar. So another two nuggets costs 150% more than the previous four? What the fuck.
And that story unsurprisingly fucked up.
THATS http://anditoaja.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/capitalism.jpg
Outinleftfield
18th July 2010, 21:31
If "beyond a reasonable doubt" actually worked he would be able to plead not guilty and be fine. More proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a legal fiction.
There's no way to disprove beyond a reasonable doubt that the student didn't get them as a gift from his friend.
Whether its judge or jury they don't care whether there is a reasonably plausible scenario where the person might not have committed the crime. They go by their own subjective judgements. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is window dressing for what has always been a broken criminal justice system.
Jazzhands
18th July 2010, 21:37
I went to mcdonalds and I could not fucking believe they started charging fucking 2.60 for 6 chicken nuggets.
I believe a 4 piece is a dollar. So another two nuggets costs 150% more than the previous four? What the fuck.
And that story unsurprisingly fucked up.
I believe you can buy two 4-pieces and give two of them to a hobo or something. saves 60 cents.
Bad Grrrl Agro
18th July 2010, 22:06
My god, this is beyond fucking stupid, yes, it is clearly racist or maybe we are jumping to conclusion about this being a racial things. but most likely it could be or is a racist agenda behind this, because no one would make a big deal about something that cost in chump change, 2.60 is just chump change. christ, nobody can't have food. Plus why make a big deal over school lunch food, we all know how shitty this is, ruin someone life of this, how fuck up can one get? the worker need to be slap with common sense.
I know the town this happened in. It is a pseudo liberal place that's a white, fake smiles all around suburban town. I've also been pulled away in cuffs a few times in that town.
Adi Shankara
19th July 2010, 00:59
:mad: fucking cops. this is EXACTLY what Victor Hugo was talking about in Les Mis.
the unrighteous arrests and incrimination of those stealing chicken mcnuggets? (lol sorry, I couldn't resist)
Sperm-Doll Setsuna
19th July 2010, 01:13
I still can't fathom there are places where school food is charged for. I hear the schools get big bucks from various shitfood companies to sell their rubbish. No wonder they're so interested in suppressing the horrible injustice of someone taking something that should have been free in the first place.
leftace53
19th July 2010, 01:15
I still can't fathom there are places where school food is charged for. I hear the schools get big bucks from various shitfood companies to sell their rubbish. No wonder they're so interested in suppressing the horrible injustice of someone taking something that should have been free in the first place.
School food is free where youre at? I've always had to pay for school food :blink:
meow
19th July 2010, 01:18
[quote]According to the Shorewood police report, Adam wasn't very cooperative when he was interrogated about the alleged theft.[quote]
you do not have to. in fact you should not. anything you say can and will be used against you. the only thing you should say (in all civilized countrys) is name and address.
this whole thing is fucked up. but that bit is especially fucked up. taking away a persons right to silence or saying that they effectively dont have one is just wrong.
Sperm-Doll Setsuna
19th July 2010, 01:22
School food is free where youre at? I've always had to pay for school food :blink:
The food in school has been free for a long time, I think since the 1940's. I guess it might change someday not so far off given how things are going. Most schools have kitchens to prepare food (and there used to be municipal central kitchens for those schools that had not to be provided with fresher food), but lately this has begun to be sub-contracted to food companies by the municipal authorities to give an illusion of economic growth.
I didn't know paying for school food was so prevalent. I always found it a bit shocking to see candy and all sorts of fastfood like things being sold for money in U.S. schools.
Adi Shankara
19th July 2010, 01:23
Where I grew up, only the poor kids got free food...but they ended up cutting the programs after it appeared that 60% or something of kids at my school could qualify for the free lunch program.
Jazzhands
19th July 2010, 01:43
Where I grew up, only the poor kids got free food...but they ended up cutting the programs after it appeared that 60% or something of kids at my school could qualify for the free lunch program.
that's terrible on so many levels.
Adi Shankara
19th July 2010, 02:18
that's terrible on so many levels.
yes, but the excuses as to why the program had to be cut were worse, I remember reading in the school's meeting by the minute report that some parents brought up the "cost to the taxpayers" and others argued that it would raise a "generation of freeloaders".
this is really what they believed: kids were getting free milk, free fruit and a free sandwich in an attempt to cheat the system!
I was a Sophomore I believe, and I remember when reading that I lost all faith in the mentality of mainstream Americans. I think the decision was since reversed in some law, but they sure had no problem funding an unnecessary school drug resource officer (which I'm sure his salary cost more than all the free food at school combined)
Pretty Flaco
19th July 2010, 02:32
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my entire life. I steal crackers from the lunch room whenever I'm hungry or low on money. Have I ever been caught? Well yes, I've been doing it for 5 years or so. The worst that's ever happened (and this has only happened once) was when I got caught stealing 5 or 6 at one time, and I got detention.
Does this kid deserve being arrested? Well no. Government supplied food should be free anyway.
Raúl Duke
19th July 2010, 03:42
yes, but the excuses as to why the program had to be cut were worse, I remember reading in the school's meeting by the minute report that some parents brought up the "cost to the taxpayers" and others argued that it would raise a "generation of freeloaders".
this is really what they believed: kids were getting free milk, free fruit and a free sandwich in an attempt to cheat the system!
I was a Sophomore I believe, and I remember when reading that I lost all faith in the mentality of mainstream Americans. I think the decision was since reversed in some law, but they sure had no problem funding an unnecessary school drug resource officer (which I'm sure his salary cost more than all the free food at school combined)
Yea that shit brings one down...a lot of people seem to have a fucked up mentality and don't know it unless they really put some thought on it.
Agnapostate
19th July 2010, 03:55
Are you sure he's a racial minority? Have you seen a picture of him or his sister?
The Red Next Door
19th July 2010, 04:05
I still can't fathom there are places where school food is charged for. I hear the schools get big bucks from various shitfood companies to sell their rubbish. No wonder they're so interested in suppressing the horrible injustice of someone taking something that should have been free in the first place.
Yeah, and guess what at my hs that i graduate from, they decide to make healthy lunches but the thing is, the lunches got even more unhealthy and greasy.
leftace53
19th July 2010, 04:12
How did they come to assume he stole it anyways? Was it just one cafe ***** that decided to say "that guy stole nuggets", do they even have any concrete proof that he didn't get them from his friend? (I think I know the answers, but I keep asking anyways)
I gotta say though, I've stolen atleast $150 worth of food from cafes at my old schools, I had gotten so good at it that I could steal pizza slices. They changed the layout of one cafeteria because of my friends and I.
I wonder what his bail would be if he were sent to kid juvy, $5? Hell if I were in the cafe, I'd just give the kid $2.60 to buy his nuggets, save him all the trouble
bcbm
19th July 2010, 04:23
Are you sure he's a racial minority? Have you seen a picture of him or his sister?
you could try reading the article.
Agnapostate
19th July 2010, 04:53
you could try reading the article.
And you could try finding a picture that establishes that he possesses a minority phenotype. That he's "biracial but identifies with African-American culture" doesn't say anything about his appearance, and in fact implies that he doesn't appear plainly African-American.
Bad Grrrl Agro
19th July 2010, 09:10
And you could try finding a picture that establishes that he possesses a minority phenotype. That he's "biracial but identifies with African-American culture" doesn't say anything about his appearance, and in fact implies that he doesn't appear plainly African-American.
Yes, biracial, identifies with African-American culture, and has a very very very hispanic/latino last name
Biracial implies two.
bcbm
19th July 2010, 18:15
And you could try finding a picture that establishes that he possesses a minority phenotype. That he's "biracial but identifies with African-American culture" doesn't say anything about his appearance, and in fact implies that he doesn't appear plainly African-American.
like esperanza said, its pretty clear from the article the kid is not white and probably biracial african american and hispanic. but since you're so concerned that he "possesses a minority phenotype:"
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs331.snc4/41780_132587310110953_1458_n.jpg
Bad Grrrl Agro
19th July 2010, 20:29
New update!
Theft charge dropped over chicken nugget meal (http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/98767699.html)
By Tom Kertscher (
[email protected]) of the Journal Sentinel
July 19, 2010 2:10 p.m. | Shorewood - The Police Department and Shorewood High School have decided to drop a theft ticket issued to a student who was accused of stealing chicken nuggets from the school cafeteria, Police Chief David Banasyznski said Monday.
The ticket given to Adam Hernandez, a 15-year-old freshman, was to be the subject of a Municipal Court trial Tuesday.
"It shouldn't have gone this far. There are other means and methods to handle this kind of situation," Banasyznski said.
The March arrest of Hernandez on the $170 ticket was reported Sunday (http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/98681399.html) by Journal Sentinel columnist Eugene Kane.(4) (http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/98767699.html#comments)
The Guy
20th July 2010, 13:10
Welcome to America. Fascism, eh?
It's funny because the other day, a man from a certain fast food restaurant -- let me tell you this: I rarely eat fast food -- gave me a free piece of chicken as I'd been waiting for so long.
Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
20th July 2010, 14:42
Welcome to America. Fascism, eh?
It's funny because the other day, a man from a certain fast food restaurant -- let me tell you this: I rarely eat fast food -- gave me a free piece of chicken as I'd been waiting for so long.
You belong in Jail, you filthy freeloading scumbag.
Hiratsuka
20th July 2010, 15:13
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my entire life. I steal crackers from the lunch room whenever I'm hungry or low on money. Have I ever been caught? Well yes, I've been doing it for 5 years or so. The worst that's ever happened (and this has only happened once) was when I got caught stealing 5 or 6 at one time, and I got detention.
Does this kid deserve being arrested? Well no. Government supplied food should be free anyway.
No it shouldn't. Not for every student. Singles and childless couples shouldn't have to pay for the lunch of children who come from well-to-do backgrounds. Free and reduced lunches are a fine concept by themselves.
I imagine this school has a strict 'zero tolerance' policy in place. Fortunately, districts are moving away from this model
Chambered Word
20th July 2010, 16:18
Jesus Christ, this is even more ridiculous and outrageously racist than the time a 12 year old Aboriginal boy received a stolen chocolate bar from a friend and was subsequently put in a cell and denounced in the media by the Western Australian Premier Colin Barnett for being a trouble maker when infact the kid had no previous criminal record. What the fuck is wrong with the world sometimes. :rolleyes:
IllicitPopsicle
21st July 2010, 22:25
Dude, shit.
Is this where capitalism has led us? It's now a major crime - theft - for someone to accept a little tray of chicken nuggets from someone else? $2.60 it cost for six small-ass pieces of chicken, and this school felt it should bring out the big guns? Fuck, knowing the salaries of most school principals, I'm sure they could've more than covered the total cost of "lost profits" in this "theft." :bored:
If I were this kid's family, I would sue the fuck out of the school district. And then I would run for school board on a platform of "free, healthy school lunches for all." And you know what, I'd probably win, considering how absolutely fucked up this story is.
Jazzratt
24th July 2010, 10:17
No it shouldn't. Not for every student. Singles and childless couples shouldn't have to pay for the lunch of children who come from well-to-do backgrounds. Free and reduced lunches are a fine concept by themselves. The same type of argument could be made of any system involving free at point of use goods and services provided by taxpayer money. Why should singles and childless couples pay for the education of children from well-to-do-backgrounds. Why should healthy people and those with private health insurance pay for others' healthcare?
Hiratsuka
24th July 2010, 14:49
The same type of argument could be made of any system involving free at point of use goods and services provided by taxpayer money. Why should singles and childless couples pay for the education of children from well-to-do-backgrounds. Why should healthy people and those with private health insurance pay for others' healthcare?
So long as we live in liberal social democracies I personally don't believe the public sector should be involved in distributing goods and services to people who could otherwise afford them without a large deduction in their income. It's redundant and rampant abuse and neglect in today's governments would mean that more money is going to do less.
counterblast
25th July 2010, 07:35
Are you sure he's a racial minority? Have you seen a picture of him or his sister?
His last name is Hernandez...
:rolleyes:
Agnapostate
24th August 2010, 22:28
I thought I responded to this, but apparently not.
Yes, biracial, identifies with African-American culture,
The wording of which implies that it is unusual or at least not automatic.
and has a very very very hispanic/latino last name
As does Hernan Cortes. What of it? Really, you have a Nahuatl word in your username, and you assume that Hispanic and Latin attributes are somehow non-white?
Biracial implies two.
So? He could be a one-dropper with no visible admixture or significant influence on his phenotype. The majority of African-Americans could be described as "biracial" since they generally possess minority European admixture.
like esperanza said, its pretty clear from the article the kid is not white and probably biracial african american and hispanic.
"Hispanic" is not a race.
but since you're so concerned that he "possesses a minority phenotype:"
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs331.snc4/41780_132587310110953_1458_n.jpg
Bad example; he's pretty light-skinned. Racial continuum paradigms typically assign higher status to lighter skin.
His last name is Hernandez...
:rolleyes:
I wasn't aware that having a Spanish surname endowed one with minority status. I guess someone forgot to tell this guy (http://countrystudies.us/nicaragua/5.htm).
In 1523 the governor of Panama, Pedro Arias Dávila (Pedrarias), appointed Francisco Hernández de Córdoba to lead the Nicaraguan conquest effort. Hernández de Córdoba led an expedition in 1524 that succeeded in establishing the first permanent Spanish settlement in Nicaragua. He quickly overcame the resistance of the native peoples and named the land Nicaragua.
Come to think of it, I believe you need to address the entire European country of Spain.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Spanish_surnames_by_province_of_residence.png
So, really...:rolleyes:
Bad Grrrl Agro
24th August 2010, 22:45
I know the town that this school district in and I know the school district.
As a matter of fact I know that school.
Gabe87
25th August 2010, 01:06
15 year arrested for 2.60$ chicken nugget ?
Capitalism is an illness that suffocate peoples mind.
Theres no other way to justify the police "system" attacking a kid for some "food robbery" accusations.
This is so sick !
COMPLEXproductions
25th August 2010, 02:43
What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Oh right, only if followed by "if you have money."
RedAnarchist
25th August 2010, 12:45
What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Oh right, only if followed by "if you have money."
Also helps to be white. And male.
I'm glad to see the charges were dropped, and I'm surprised to see a police officer saying something sensible (doubt it's a common occurrence for him) - yes, it should never have gone that far at all. In fact, it should never have been an incident in the first place.
counterblast
25th August 2010, 21:27
Actually, it hurts to be male. Women are considered weak and frivolous, and incapable of premeditated crime. Add chivilry into the mix and you have a criminal court system that charges women with 60% less time than their male counterparts. (Although other statistics suggest women are the largest growing prison population...
Bad Grrrl Agro
26th August 2010, 05:48
Actually, it hurts to be male. Women are considered weak and frivolous, and incapable of premeditated crime. Add chivilry into the mix and you have a criminal court system that charges women with 60% less time than their male counterparts. (Although other statistics suggest women are the largest growing prison population...
I'm a woman who'd really hate to be thrown into prison. I'm pre-op and would be thrown in with the men.
COMPLEXproductions
26th August 2010, 05:59
I'm a woman who'd really hate to be thrown into prison. I'm pre-op and would be thrown in with the men.
What does "pre-op" mean and how would you be thrown in with men? Sorry if this is supposed to be obvious. (and where are you from, I'm not sure they do that in the US)
Bad Grrrl Agro
26th August 2010, 06:38
What does "pre-op" mean and how would you be thrown in with men? Sorry if this is supposed to be obvious. (and where are you from, I'm not sure they do that in the US)
Pre-Operation. Referring to bottom surgery.
Agnapostate
26th August 2010, 09:26
It's a matter of alternate gender identification, which leftists are of course tolerant of, but not of physiological deviation from the male sex...
RedAnarchist
26th August 2010, 10:40
It's a matter of alternate gender identification, which leftists are of course tolerant of, but not of physiological deviation from the male sex...
So? She is a woman, and so should be put with other women. If her transsexual status was revealed when she was in jail, it would put her in danger.
Agnapostate
26th August 2010, 16:50
So? She is a woman, and so should be put with other women. If her transsexual status was revealed when she was in jail, it would put her in danger.
Placing persons with male physical capacities with women doesn't place them in danger?
Bad Grrrl Agro
26th August 2010, 16:59
Placing persons with male physical capacities with women doesn't place them in danger?
I was born into a barbie body type just with a wrong part downstairs. I have the bone structure and frame of a disney princess character. In all likelyhood if someone wants to kick my ass, whether they are male or female won't matter, the majority of the human population isn't as frail as me.
leftace53
26th August 2010, 17:02
I'm a woman who'd really hate to be thrown into prison. I'm pre-op and would be thrown in with the men.
Seriously?
I never even considered the case of a pre op in prison, but I didn't imagine that you would be thrown in with the men. Institutionalized bigotry as always it seems.
Agnapostate
26th August 2010, 17:13
I was born into a barbie body type just with a wrong part downstairs. I have the bone structure and frame of a disney princess character. In all likelyhood if someone wants to kick my ass, whether they are male or female won't matter, the majority of the human population isn't as frail as me.
I'm sorry; that's unfortunate to read. Stay out of prison, I guess, because protections of the vulnerable are obviously not what they are on paper.
Bad Grrrl Agro
26th August 2010, 17:33
I'm sorry; that's unfortunate to read. Stay out of prison, I guess, because protections of the vulnerable are obviously not what they are on paper.
I'd fit right in with anorexic celeberties, minus the fact that I'm not half plastic.
BeerShaman
26th August 2010, 17:44
This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my entire life. I steal crackers from the lunch room whenever I'm hungry or low on money. Have I ever been caught? Well yes, I've been doing it for 5 years or so. The worst that's ever happened (and this has only happened once) was when I got caught stealing 5 or 6 at one time, and I got detention.
Does this kid deserve being arrested? Well no. Government supplied food should be free anyway.
Me:I'll report youououou! Be carefuuuuul!
You: Why?
Me: 'Cause I'm a good child! I want the marks! I'll get old and rich!
Agnapostate
26th August 2010, 21:04
I'd fit right in with anorexic celeberties, minus the fact that I'm not half plastic.
That might be an issue of a health condition if you haven't had it examined already. Some people just accept the fact that they're "short" without considering that it might be an issue of malnutrition, disorder caused by insufficient growth hormone excreted by the pituitary gland, etc. This lets genuine medical issues go unnoticed.
Bad Grrrl Agro
27th August 2010, 02:43
That might be an issue of a health condition if you haven't had it examined already. Some people just accept the fact that they're "short" without considering that it might be an issue of malnutrition, disorder caused by insufficient growth hormone excreted by the pituitary gland, etc. This lets genuine medical issues go unnoticed.
No it is genetic. It is also a blessing as I am a million times more passable, especially combining my body type with the hormones.
Also, this tangenting off the subject is really interesting except I think we should either split topics or get back on topic.
leftace53
27th August 2010, 03:11
That might be an issue of a health condition if you haven't had it examined already. Some people just accept the fact that they're "short" without considering that it might be an issue of malnutrition, disorder caused by insufficient growth hormone excreted by the pituitary gland, etc. This lets genuine medical issues go unnoticed.
Seriously :blink: My shortness could be attributed to something other than actually being short? This is news. But I dunno, I get my fair share of nutrition now, and I guess if its too late for me to now become tall I don't particularly care.
On another note, I'm glad this kid wasn't sent to like guantanamo for stealing a chicken nugget. Does this stay on his rap sheet?
empiredestoryer
28th August 2010, 16:35
maybe america s next presdent might be an ex-police officer :laugh::laugh:
Bad Grrrl Agro
28th August 2010, 16:58
If I was elected president my message to America would be "Why? What did I ever do to you?"
Autumn Red
4th September 2010, 04:36
This just makes me sick. This is such blatant racism for a "crime" so exaggerated that I can't believe the judge just didn't throw the case out. Hell, even if he did steal the nuggets he shouldn't have been arrested for it. :/
Queercommie Girl
5th September 2010, 14:15
Placing persons with male physical capacities with women doesn't place them in danger?
Actually trans-women who have gone through extensive hormonal treatment do not really have "male physical capacities".
Also, it is rather mechanically binary to consider that "male physical capacities" are always without exception stronger than "female physical capacities" in every single individual case. Genders aren't so rigid, they are fluidic. Statistically this is true, but I bet on an individual basis I can find many women who are actually physically stronger than men.
The fact of the matter is that refusing to put trans-women into female prisons is a very bad form of transphobia, because it is essentially refusing to recognise transwomen as genuinely women. Even if your concern holds (and objectively it doesn't), it is not justifiable to make transwomen suffer simply to protect the interests of ciswomen, that is highly unfair. Even if what you say is true, there should still be special "third sex" prisons designed just for trans people, rather than just throw transwomen into male prisons.
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