Football Ultras groups.

[REVOLUTIONARY32]

As 100% of Ultras supporters groups are left wing and extreme anti fash what effect if any do they have on spreading the anti fash message and on the scene in general.
Celtic, Football Club United of Manchester and St Pauli are three great examples of clubs with extreme anti fash Ultra groups

[Tavarisch_Mike]

I think its good, hopefully they will catch young working class kids and teach them about socialism and antifascism, i also hope that the clubs take responsibility.

[Tifosi]

As 100% of Ultras supporters groups are left wing and extreme anti fash

Not all Ultra groups are Left-Wing and Anti-Fascist, most groups across Europe are Anti-Fascist but also Anti-Communist and politics in general.

If you look at Ultra groups at clubs like Real Madrid, Barcalona, Inter Milan, Lazio, PSG, Red Star Belgrade, Spartak Moscow, Dynamo Zgreb to name a few you will see Fascist/Nazi shit everywhere (remember I'm talking about the Ultra group/s and not the general fanbase). In Eastern Europe you will be hard pushed to find any Antifa supporter groups. The only one I have heard of are FC MTZ-RIPO from Minsk, they do well but are small in numbers, their city rivals are far larger in numbers.

If you want to find out more about Antifa Ultra groups have a look at the Alerta Network. The Network is a Anti-Fascist group set up to fight Fascism in Europe. They have members from Scotland to Israel and everywhere in between:thumbup1:. Remember that not all of Europe's Anti-Fascist Ultra groups are in the Alerta Network, teams like Livorno, Toulon, Wacker Innsbruk, Pisa, Ternana have Anti-Fascist Ultras.

[REVOLUTIONARY32]

Not all Ultra groups are Left-Wing and Anti-Fascist, most groups across Europe are Anti-Fascist but also Anti-Communist and politics in general.

If you look at Ultra groups at clubs like Real Madrid, Barcalona, Inter Milan, Lazio, PSG, Red Star Belgrade, Spartak Moscow, Dynamo Zgreb to name a few you will see Fascist/Nazi shit everywhere (remember I'm talking about the Ultra group/s and not the general fanbase). In Eastern Europe you will be hard pushed to find any Antifa supporter groups. The only one I have heard of are FC MTZ-RIPO from Minsk, they do well but are small in numbers, their city rivals are far larger in numbers.

If you want to find out more about Antifa Ultra groups have a look at the Alerta Network. The Network is a Anti-Fascist group set up to fight Fascism in Europe. They have members from Scotland to Israel and everywhere in between:thumbup1:. Remember that not all of Europe's Anti-Fascist Ultra groups are in the Alerta Network, teams like Livorno, Toulon, Wacker Innsbruk, Pisa, Ternana have Anti-Fascist Ultras.

Thanks for the info maybe the 100% quote was a bit ott.
Recruiting anti fash activists within these groups would not be a bad idea.

[The Douche]

Isn't alerta dead? I haven't seen anything from them in a bit, and I can't find the website anymore.

[Tifosi]

Isn't alerta dead? I haven't seen anything from them in a bit, and I can't find the website anymore.

Their website/blog had not been used for months, maybe coming on a year or so I think they just binned it. They did have a big football tournament in St Pauli a few months back, the groups that went are listed below...

Hell Side & Inferno Ultras / Standard Lüttich
Rude Lions / Copenhagen FC
Brune Stjerne / Copenhagen FC
Funteam / Roter Stern Leipzig
RWAF – Rot Weiße Armee Fraktion / Fortuna Düsseldorf
We save TeBe / Tennis Borussia Berlin
Fanladen St. Pauli / FC St. Pauli
Republicca Internationale / Leeds
Easton Cowboys / Bristol
Antifa Bergamo / Atalanta Bergamo
A sostegno di un ideale- Gate 22 / Veneziamestre
Nordpol / FC Wacker Innsbruck
Bierkurve / Winterthur
Ultras Bohemians / Bohemians 1905
Gate 9 / Omonoia Nikosia
Partisans and Ultras Tren?ín
Skinheads St. Pauli / FC St. Pauli
Green Brigade / Celtic Glasgow
Herri Norte Taldea / Athletic Bilbao
De Rat / NAC Breda
Filmstadt Inferno 99 / SV Babelsberg 03
Schwarze Geier / Eintracht Frankfurt
Original 21 / AEK Athen
Ultras 07 / Ternana Calcio
Rude Boys / Sampdoria Genua
Ultra Sankt Pauli / FC St. Pauli
Fanclub-Sprecherrat / FC St. Pauli
USP Antirazzista / FC St. Pauli

Attendances women´s teams:
Roter Stern Frauenteam / Roter Stern Leipzig
Republicca Internationale / Leeds, England
St. Pauli-Frauen-Team / FC St. Pauli
Milchschnitten / FC St. Pauli
Rude Girls / U.C. Sampdoria Genua
Easton Cowgirls / Bristol, England

[Montag451]

A few remarks, Barcelona has very few fascist ultras, the majority of them,and the fanbase in general is left-wing.
PSG is very divided, but generally more ultras are anti-racist than racist, and the racist ultras&casuals are currently officially banned from the stands.
Dinamo Zagreb ultras are not generally fascist but they are right wing with some fascists groups within

[Tifosi]

A few remarks, Barcelona has very few fascist ultras, the majority of them,and the fanbase in general is left-wing.

BOIXOS NOIS today are a right-wing group, full of scumbags. I think that group is the oldest at Barcalona still active today but are pretty small and hated by the huge majority of Barcalona fans, not just for their politics but a few in the Barcalona fanbase don't like most things 'ultra'. When Barcalona played in the European Super Cup Final in Monaco BOIXOS NOIS put on a pretty large Pyro display, about 30 flares or so, most Barcalona fans there that day where pissed with them.

BOIXAS NOIS where started about 30 years ago and where mainly left-wing and anti-fascist. As time went by more fascist elements got into the group. This got to much for some members and the group disbanded only to reform a few years later with a much more right-wing elements in it.

I don't think Barcalona's fanbase is anymore left-wing than any other team in Spain today (Rayo Vallecano have a more left-wing fanbase I would say than any other team in Spain). Barcalona will always be seen as the team of the left in Spain by the media, Real Madrid will always be the team of the right.


PSG is very divided, but generally more ultras are anti-racist than racist, and the racist ultras&casuals are currently officially banned from the stands.

All the right-wing groups at PSG are offical banned, Boulogne Boys being the famous example but even today you will only see white people on the Kop of Boulogne.

A lot of anti-racist ultra group's disbanded as a protest against the right-wing elements at PSG, here is a statement the groups Supras Auteuil, Grinta and Authentiks put out...

We, Supras Auteuil, and Grinta Authentik, supporters' clubs Paris Saint-Germain of Virage Auteuil and Grandstand G, have decided not to get to the Parc des Princes from this Saturday, March 13 for the game-Sochaux PSG .

The issue of racism that plagues the Paris Saint-Germain exacerbated each year. Today, as human beings and citizens, we believe that we can no longer support our team by agreeing that atrocities and the presence of an openly racist fringe is tolerated as the identity of the club.

On Sunday, February 28, 2010, before the game against Olympique Marseille, the supporters present at the Virage Auteuil have seen the racism and violence faced by Parisian fans too regularly on the move, out of sight. Dozens of supporters waiting outside the windows of the tribune Auteuil were attacked by surprise and premeditated by a group of 150 hooligans of the Kop of Boulogne, all in a torrent of racist slogans and hatred. Given the lack of police response, the response was spontaneous subscribers routed the attackers. One of active participants in the attack was isolated and beaten by people he had begun to attack. He is now immersed in an artificial coma.

Our associations complain that hard, but we must have the courage to consider such reactions can be isolated from the racist climate of terror that the PSG fans have endured for too long in silence.
The direction of Paris SG reacted strongly to condemn what might be called a lynching. It was his duty to do so. However, she did not have a word to support his countless victims of this attack does not subscribers giant and premeditated, while its size makes it probably the worst physical exaction racist organized over the last fifteen years in Paris, where it is in France. The numerous testimonies, articles or videos broadcast since the February 28 show.

The direction of Paris SG had been equally silent after the incidents in Lille in January, where the same hooligans had invested the steps of the gallery visitor to address members of Virage Auteuil, always under a torrent of racial abuse . The tragedy was narrowly avoided, since many people found themselves trapped and pressed against the railings. So he knew the situation in detail, PSG was content to condemn the incident, without saying a word about the raid by the group of Boulogne and characterization of racist assault. It should be noted that since 28 February, the Club has never tried to contact the official associations, preferring to announce through the press the closure of our offices, surprise decision that we are still exploring the relevance and effectiveness compared to nature of the incidents reported.

The repeated failures of management and volunteers of PSG on subjects as serious show that it has chosen to deny the racist attacks which are the subject ever since his supporters, and are worsening. PSG, cosmopolitanism and defend the right for every fan to come to the park regardless of skin color is a speech front. In fact, the official supporters' associations note that the club has chosen to ignore the actions of certain members of the Boulogne - for fear of reprisals or objective interests - instead of taking the moral defense and physics Supporters of all other forums who have no power, to unspeakable acts for too long.

This bias is reflected in the club's policy of repression against supporters of all backgrounds, as they have the misfortune to meet the racist provocations and aggressions they are subjected to. In a perfectly cynical assumed, the remedy of the authorities and the GMP is to suppress the target of attacks (supporters Virage Auteuil and other platform), rather than the perpetrators of these attacks. Thus, at Lille, it is the supporters of Virage Auteuil, however, attacked, who were forcibly evacuated the stadium by the prefect. In a statement entitled "France is white," dated March 2006, we had already alerted the public of the existence of these racist demonstrations and indifference of the GMP and public authorities on the subject. In vain.

Since February 28, members of our associations and Virage Auteuil undergoing unprecedented repression. We denounce police harassment they are subjected to administrative restrictions wave stage unprecedented, unfair arrests, interrogation techniques based on intimidation and even many wiretaps.

Moreover, we can not guarantee the physical integrity of our members and supporters, or anyone deemed "undesirable" by some fringe supporters.
We urge our members, supporters and all those who - at Auteuil and in all forums Parc des Princes - adhere to our values, to deny this racism scale with the Club as an accomplice and especially DO NOT SURRENDER Parc des Princes until further notice and this from Saturday, March 13 for the match PSG-Sochaux.

For us, unconditional supporters of Paris Saint-Germain Football Club 1970, a decision is heavy, very hard to take, but the severity of the situation has left little choice. We nevertheless believe that it is the most responsible way we could follow and adopt.
Faced with the challenge of speaking to all subscribers of the club on the latent racism that infects the identity of the GMP, we urge all supporters to take a position and to release their word in situations of racism to which they are or were facing. A harvesting platform that evidence will shortly be established for this purpose.
This issue must be resolved racist, beyond speech or action front. If the PSG does not solve it, he'll definitely alone, hated and rejected by all.


RACISM and Fascism: OUT OF PSG! OUT OF OUR LIVES!


Dinamo Zagreb ultras are not generally fascist but they are right wing with some fascists groups within

Most of the ultras are fascist, you can see all the fascist symbols all over their curva week in week out, pure wanks:thumbdown:

[Montag451]

The other groups are all left-wing or anti-racist, like Almogavres for example.
The fanbase is left-wing you can see numerous catalan indepedist flags with red stars on the stand.
Catalan autonomism is generally left-wing,and Barcelona represents that very autonomism.

I don't think Supras did the right thing, now they are leaving the stands for the racists. They should rather confront them and hunt them down. I am aware they are ultras and not hooligans, but their numbers are far larger than KOB's

Bad Blue Boys have maybe 3 symbols that can be considered rightwing right now and they are rarely displayed simoultaneously. A black/white celtic cross,a national flag with "endsieg" written over it, and a two pole flag with "Always to the right" sign. In BBB there are different crews and different political stands. Some crews really hate each other and have been known to engage in infighting. The only thing that is certain is that all crews are right-wing or apolitical, although some prominent figures in the group do lean a bit to the left.
There are about 2-4 fascist crews. Of those two are practically kids, and the other two are pretty serious and dangerous. One of them being the recently dethroned 'alpha-crew'.
In short, you can characterize the BBB as right-wing/nationalist, but hardly fascist.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

West Ham, Millwall, Rangers and sadly my beloved Chelsea are all in the throes of the far-right. I've seen and heard of some bad things a Chelsea, unfortunately.

You've also got Leeds and Cardiff with their scummy, if more apolitical, nonsense.

Livorno <3

[Fietsketting]

The lack of knowledge in this thread amazes me.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Do you want to elaborate?

[Fidel Follower]

The lack of knowledge in this thread amazes me.

Well if you can out inform Red Stripe then be my guest. Why don't you add something constructive...

[F9]

Moved
Alerta movement is completely active, their webpage is down though, true, they were rarely updating it anyway


Most of the ultras are fascist, you can see all the fascist symbols all over their curva week in week out, pure wankshttp://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/thumbdown.gif

I wouldnt say that most of them are fascists, numbers are pretty much balanced really, the countries of former USSR though have sadly made the fascists-nationalists to be a bit more, but in general, we cant say that most ultras are fascists.Beside most of those arent fascists by definition, most are nationalists and racists, which obviously its not "ok", but dont makes them fascists.
I used to have a map showing what ultra groups of Italy support, it was quite cool, sadly i dont have the image anymore, iirc non-political one, had a big percentage amongst them.

[Wanted Man]

I wouldnt say that most of them are fascists, numbers are pretty much balanced really, the countries of former USSR though have sadly made the fascists-nationalists to be a bit more, but in general, we cant say that most ultras are fascists.Beside most of those arent fascists by definition, most are nationalists and racists, which obviously its not "ok", but dont makes them fascists.
I used to have a map showing what ultra groups of Italy support, it was quite cool, sadly i dont have the image anymore, iirc non-political one, had a big percentage amongst them.

He means the Dinamo Zagreb ones.

[F9]

He means the Dinamo Zagreb ones.

Damn, it was a too big reply, and bored to read, that would teach me a lesson.Yeah, obviously RS i understood something completely different, so dont pay attention to that post as far as concerns your quote.;)