Agorism - wth is it?

[IllicitPopsicle]

So I was talking with a friend over a secure chat, and naturally political ideologies came up. I described my belief, and my friend described his. He called it agorism. From what I gather, it's market anarchism with an overzealous focus on private property? I'm very confused, and if anyone knows anything about it and would like to share, that'd be awesome.:blushing:

[BAM]

So I was talking with a friend over a secure chat, and naturally political ideologies came up. I described my belief, and my friend described his. He called it agorism. From what I gather, it's market anarchism with an overzealous focus on private property? I'm very confused, and if anyone knows anything about it and would like to share, that'd be awesome.:blushing:

A rather peculiar and marginal movement that seems to me located largely in North America. It's free market anarchism, but with a more "revolutionary" focus, centred around "counter-economics" - black or grey market activity. Their path to social change is to be achieved through the underground economy. Much of their inspiration comes from the writings of Samuel E Konkin III.

They're close to the Austrian School of economics (some of them call themselves Left-Rothbardians) but they see the social outcomes of their philosophy leading to greater equality. It is the state support of capitalism that leads to inequality. So, they're linked to Mutualism too. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism

http://agorism.info/

Both are helpful to see what the partisans of this movement think. I once asked the folks behind the Anarchist FAQ if they were going to write something on it, but they haven't as yet.

[IllicitPopsicle]

I fail to see the legitimacy behind this. It's like they're insurrectionary anarcho-capitalists who plan on using companies like Blackwater to overthrow the state. None of the dirty work is done themselves, of course - they're too busy being "venture capitalists" and "entrepreneurs."

Bollocks.

[IllicitPopsicle]

From "Agorist Class Theory:"


There's only one problem, though — Marx's analysis of the world around him was partly wrong and partly right. Where there is truth, there is relevance. It is time for libertarians to dust off the notions of class struggle, class consciousness, and class warfare in order to place them within an increasingly sophisticated libertarian/anarchist ideological framework under the primacy of the Zero Aggression Principle.

One flaw in Marx's thinking, you see, was his theory of exploitation. Libertarians recognize that there is nothing inherently "exploitative" in any genuinely voluntary agreement, such as agreeing to work for a wage. Likewise, there isn't anything virtuous in subtly coercing compliance with demands for labor to be performed on dictated terms, including wage rates. Where Marx was right in his analysis is that under State Capitalism (as opposed to a truly free market) there is an exploitative relationship between the moneyed interests and the common people. He misidentified the oppressor class, though.

On a side note, does this belong in theory or OI?

[HEAD ICE]

From "Agorist Class Theory:"



On a side note, does this belong in theory or OI?


Libertarians recognize that there is nothing inherently "exploitative" in any genuinely voluntary agreement, such as agreeing to work for a wage.

I agree with this. How can wage labor be "exploitative" if a worker AGREES to it? Silly commies, what will you guys say next. That blacks in 1840 North Carolina were exploited as well? They didn't have to pick cotton, they could have chopped down trees or husk corn. They made the voluntary choice to pick cotton :cool:.

[Thirsty Crow]

I agree with this. How can wage labor be "exploitative" if a worker AGREES to it? Silly commies, what will you guys say next. That blacks in 1840 North Carolina were exploited as well? They didn't have to pick cotton, they could have chopped down trees or husk corn. They made the voluntary choice to pick cotton :cool:.

Lack of alternatives=coercion (in the sense that there exists a group of people who take no interest in developing these alternatives).

These folks are really mentally crippled when it comes to historical reflection, in its broadest sense.

[eclipse]

How big are AnKap/ Agorists in the US? From their presence on the web i fear they might be quite big.


Libertarians typically believe that the non-aggression principle includes property as a part of the owner; to aggress against someone's property is to aggress against the individual.
What a bunch of shit. "Please, don`t take my factories, they are external body parts of mine?" :D

[Thirsty Crow]

How big are AnKap/ Agorists in the US? From their presence on the web i fear they might be quite big.


What a bunch of shit. "Please, don`t take my factories, they are external body parts of mine?" :D

Well, that's a clear proof of their anthropological reductionism, in the sense that they equate the human being with his/her property (they may not actually equate the two, but the end result is the same: property and entrepreneurial activity - i.e. profit making - are perceived as the major sphere for the realization of human potential).

[Misanthrope]

In short, it's a type of "anarcho"-capitalism. Also called counter-economics.

[mollymae]

How big are AnKap/ Agorists in the US? From their presence on the web i fear they might be quite big.

I think they're just a loud minority.

You might want to try OI to ask about agorism--I believe there is at least one agorist there, or at least there used to be.

[ContrarianLemming]

So I was talking with a friend over a secure chat, and naturally political ideologies came up. I described my belief, and my friend described his. He called it agorism. From what I gather, it's market anarchism with an overzealous focus on private property? I'm very confused, and if anyone knows anything about it and would like to share, that'd be awesome.:blushing:

Agorism is revolutionary anarcho capitalism

[Thirsty Crow]

...revolutionary anarcho capitalismContradiction in terms?

[727Goon]

Agorism - wth is it?

Some fuck shit.

[IllicitPopsicle]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking.

[Burn A Flag]

I know an agorist who is on a team of mine. He is a spoiled rich kid. He doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else. He even said he could care less about poverty and starvation. These people are fascists.

[samofshs]

I know an agorist who is on a team of mine. He is a spoiled rich kid. He doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else. He even said he could care less about poverty and starvation. These people are fascists.
yeah, i dont have much experience with them but it seems that they alienate themselves entirely from the working class.

[727Goon]

I know an agorist who is on a team of mine. He is a spoiled rich kid. He doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else. He even said he could care less about poverty and starvation. These people are fascists.


An anarcho capitalist who is spoiled and rich? Well I'll be damned.