pink pistols gay gun group

[meow]

"Thirty-one states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

We did.There are now over 45 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide, and more are starting up every day. We are dedicated to the legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community. We no longer believe it is the right of those who hate and fear gay, lesbian, bi, trans, or polyamorous persons to use us as targets for their rage. Self-defense is our RIGHT.
http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html

is this similar to what the black panthers did with guns and the police? legally carry weapons to diswade attacks?
what do you think of the idea? i find it interesting but am put off by some of the retoric used. i suspect right wingers have much influence on the group. but still ignoring that good idea? yes? no?

[Raúl Duke]

i find it interesting but am put off by some of the retoric used. i suspect right wingers have much influence on the group.examples? I didn't sense this per se. 'gun rights' are not supposed to be elusively a "right-wing" thing...and the NRA is not exactly "exclusively right-wing" (in the American context)...I even heard they're supporting a pro-gun Democrat in Nevada over a pro-gun Republican (although this has to do that Reid is Majority Leader and if he gets replaced and the Democrats still have some majority than that position could fall on an "anti-gun" democrat)

Is it a good idea? I don't know per se....

I mean it's good that they're defending themselves from homophobic violent attacks but I doubt this action by itself will combat homophobia as a idea/culture aspect.

[meow]

from http://www.pinkpistols.org/terms.html


Communist China

Not "China." A country whose leaders are interested in bringing about our demise, and replacing representative democracy with communism. If you're worried about people who steal guns, remember that these are the people who stole our atom bomb secrets, and they make their own guns. An enemy of capitalism and American values. Their beliefs about human and civil rights are horrifying and abhorrent to the American way. Bill of Rights? Try death penalty for minor and political crimes, mandatory enforced birth control, imprisonment for speech against the regime, forced labor, no right to assembly, trials without defense testimony, and no choice in the leadership.
I don't know about you, but I do not relish the thought of such a system here. Would the rulers of Communist Red China be capable of such brutal atrocities if the Chinese people they oppress were heavily armed, I wonder. If a heavily armed Chinese populace were somehow able to prevent the deaths and abuse from the yoke of a tyrannical dictatorship, but experienced instead deaths and injury from its own negligent and criminal misuse of arms, would that be a fair trade?
they also have some other stuff about being american and pro freedom. buzz words if i ever heard them.

and the nra probably are also meant to be just for gun rights. however they are right wing in much of the reteric they use as well. there does seem to be a connection between gun rights and right wing. unfortunatly. and even if people dont want to be right wing they start using the same arguments and terms. which then gets problems.





and no i dont think it will combat homophobia. any more then the black panthers thought self defense would combat racism.

[Raúl Duke]

and no i dont think it will combat homophobia. any more then the black panthers thought self defense would combat racism.

I thought the same...but I don't see anything bad with it considering that the threat of violent hate crimes for being LGBTQ are quite prevalent in society.

[Ocean Seal]

examples? I didn't sense this per se. 'gun rights' are not supposed to be elusively a "right-wing" thing...and the NRA is not exactly "exclusively right-wing" (in the American context)...I even heard they're supporting a pro-gun Democrat in Nevada over a pro-gun Republican (although this has to do that Reid is Majority Leader and if he gets replaced and the Democrats still have some majority than that position could fall on an "anti-gun" democrat)

Is it a good idea? I don't know per se....

I mean it's good that they're defending themselves from homophobic violent attacks but I doubt this action by itself will combat homophobia as a idea/culture aspect.

The argument for the second amendment is that if our government ever becomes oppressive (ahem ahem its been so for quite a while) we can overthrow it. So gun rights are also a leftist thing.

[Nachie]

I have a CCW license and am quite happy with it.

Not at all a supporter of "communist" (hah!) China but that language from the pink pistols website is pretty ignorant. Nevertheless they have over the years done a great service in providing more accessibility in firearms training and culture to a section of the population that otherwise may not have benefitted from it.

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from http://www.pinkpistols.org/terms.html

Communist China

Not "China." A country whose leaders are interested in bringing about our demise, and replacing representative democracy with communism. If you're worried about people who steal guns, remember that these are the people who stole our atom bomb secrets, and they make their own guns. An enemy of capitalism and American values. Their beliefs about human and civil rights are horrifying and abhorrent to the American way.

oh my god

[gorillafuck]

Anti-rights activists are becoming so strident in their call to deny your civil rights, they are referring to anyone who owns a gun as a "gun nut." This term drips with hate, and comes from a heart filled with hate, from people who, surprisingly, believe they are anti hate. It is directed not at criminals but at honest and decent people. You should express the same outrage at the "N" word, and similar epithets, as any ethnic group would feel about racial slurs.They think calling someone a gun nut should be seen as equally bad to calling someone "the n word". They are actually trying to compare people calling them gun nuts to the oppression that blacks and minorities in the US face.

What a bunch of fucking pathetic losers.

[meow]

i am thinking that actually they might copy some of what tehy say from other groups all rather then evalutating it.

but what do you think of the idea of explicitly gay groups encouraging gun carry and training? because that is what this is. yes some of what they have on there website is stupid. and someone should tell them that. link them to radical left queer stuff. but the idea (quoted in first post) is interesting. do you agree with the idea?

[gorillafuck]

i am thinking that actually they might copy some of what tehy say from other groups all rather then evalutating it.

but what do you think of the idea of explicitly gay groups encouraging gun carry and training? because that is what this is. yes some of what they have on there website is stupid. and someone should tell them that. link them to radical left queer stuff. but the idea (quoted in first post) is interesting. do you agree with the idea?
Why would you assume that they don't know what is on their own website?

[meow]

i didnt say they would not know what is on there website. i said that they didnt evalutate it properly maybe. that is they put it on there website without analysising it for stupidity like what i quoted.

i dont know. i just guess that is what they did.