And now, a video of a cute girl playing the piano to insane Zionist lyrics

[GPDP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaGHUZ-8DWw&feature=player_embedded

I like the tune itself, but the lyrics... my god.

Summary: WAAAAH ISRAEL ISN'T ALLOWED TO DEFEND ITSELF SEE I'M PLAYING SAPPY MUSIC WHICH MEANS WE'RE THE VICTIMS

[Raúl Duke]

ehhhh....wut...

This woman has a simplistic world-view.

[Jazzratt]

That was massively improved when I listened to it with the vuvuzela function on.

[Panda Tse Tung]

WAAAAH ISRAEL ISN'T ALLOWED TO DEFEND ITSELF SEE I'M PLAYING SAPPY MUSIC WHICH MEANS WE'RE THE VICTIMS
Thats some weird lyrics...

[Q]

That was massively improved when I listened to it with the vuvuzela function on.

Most definitely.

[Glenn Beck]

http://i.imgur.com/btTRT.jpg

[eclipse]

Like the music, the lyrics are severly one-sided. And I don`t get the connection to Darfur and Chechnya... "evil humanists, you care for them but not for us?"
I think that the solidarity movement with both is much smaller than Israels.

But I would agree to the song that there is always a lot media attention on Israeli failures and actions, other countries can act much worse without such an exposure.
This maybe partly because Israel is in the wests own sphere of influence, counts as "culturally western" and therefor its militarist operations are a double annoyance to many.

But there really seems to be a strange focus on Israel in the left and radical left worldwide, and often Anti-Zionist statements are somehow biased. Hamas' eliminatory antisemitism is as much worth to be criticized as tanks in Ramallah, the wall and the checkpoints. As would be Islamism as a whole.

Solidarity with people, not nations!

[Glenn Beck]

But there really seems to be a strange focus on Israel in the left and radical left worldwide, and often Anti-Zionist statements are somehow biased. Hamas' eliminatory antisemitism is as much worth to be criticized as tanks in Ramallah, the wall and the checkpoints. As would be Islamism as a whole.

Really? Because I tend to think actual genocide is more worth criticizing than hypothetical genocide; just my personal bias.

[Andropov]

Really? Because I tend to think actual genocide is more worth criticizing than hypothetical genocide; just my personal bias.
Outstanding.

[eclipse]

Oh, I forgot, "the jews are the new nazis" ... :blink:

Of course, people carrying explosives into school buses and cafes are just hypothetical.
But that would be like counting up victims for one side or another and I don`t intent on standing on any of them or marginalizing dead people.
Sorry, the IDF - killings in Palestine are creeping me out, as do the rocket attacks on Israel and suicide bombers. Who negates the victims of either side, excuses their killing and stands in the way of any form of dialogue.

[Andropov]

Oh, I forgot, "the jews are the new nazis" ... :blink:

Of course, people carrying explosives into school buses and cafes are just hypothetical.
But that would be like counting up victims for one side or another and I don`t intent on standing on any of them or marginalizing dead people.
Sorry, the IDF - killings in Palestine are creeping me out, as do the rocket attacks on Israel and suicide bombers. Who negates the victims of either side, excuses their killing and stands in the way of any form of dialogue.
Read "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe before you embaress yourself any further.

[jake williams]

And I don`t get the connection to Darfur and Chechnya... "evil humanists, you care for them but not for us?"
I think that the solidarity movement with both is much smaller than Israels.

It's idiotic because the most prominent American supporters of an alleged genocide of Darfuris by Arabs that most be stopped by American force and violence are... liberal Zionists, and their followers.

[eclipse]

Concerning reviews of the book, i could also look intensively at pictures of dead Palestinian children instead.
I could also do the same with Israeli ones, and read a one sided pro-Occupation history book that downplays all this crimes instead of exaggerating them.
Send me a copy, or perhaps i might find one in the local infoshop, and I will try to read this with an open mind, but I fear, it doesn't work that way.


t's idiotic because the most prominent American supporters of an alleged genocide of Darfuris by Arabs that most be stopped by American force and violence are... liberal Zionists, and their followers.
Could you give sources for the two highlighted things, that would interest me.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Oh, I forgot, "the jews are the new nazis" ... :blink:

Of course, people carrying explosives into school buses and cafes are just hypothetical.
But that would be like counting up victims for one side or another and I don`t intent on standing on any of them or marginalizing dead people.
Sorry, the IDF - killings in Palestine are creeping me out, as do the rocket attacks on Israel and suicide bombers. Who negates the victims of either side, excuses their killing and stands in the way of any form of dialogue.

Yes, because crude grassroots resistance in the form of suicide bomb attacks and pipe rockets merit the exact same condemnation as Israel annihilating (http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza) the infrastructure of millions and massacring thousands, in their 2009 invasion of Gaza alone.

[eclipse]

I was just saying that i do not want to sum up the number of victims of either side and think that the tactics employed by most of them (there are clearly more than two) are nothing a honest leftwing person can willingly assist or refer to in a positive way.

I would even have problems in calling the main palestinian organizations a "resistance" because they clearly act against the people, be it those of their own nationality or another. Concerning their militarisation and alienation from their base (corruption in the Fatah, purging of secular or "deviant" Palestinians by Hamas) i`d doubt the adjective "grassroots" either.

[9]

not watching it.

[praxis1966]

not watching it.

You're not missing much. I got through the first line and turned it off.

[Lyev]

I was just saying that i do not want to sum up the number of victims of either side and think that the tactics employed by most of them (there are clearly more than two) are nothing a honest leftwing person can willingly assist or refer to in a positive way.

I would even have problems in calling the main palestinian organizations a "resistance" because they clearly act against the people, be it those of their own nationality or another. Concerning their militarisation and alienation from their base (corruption in the Fatah, purging of secular or "deviant" Palestinians by Hamas) i`d doubt the adjective "grassroots" either.So Hamas are regularly funded by the US, in the way of heat-seeking helicopters and the most up-to-date, high-tech tanks? Do you know, I totally forgot about the billions of dollars at their disposal, and the wealth of technology they've got at hand to use against Israel. Poor Israel, it can barely defend itself, surrounded by Islamist extremists on all sides! :crying:

Don't watch it, it's vile.

[Mindtoaster]

"Comment pending approval"

I was just about to get some epic trolling in :crying:

[Nolan]

Fuck Israel, fuck zionism, fuck the IDF, and most importantly of all, fuck their apologists.

[gorillafuck]

That was pretty hard to get through.

[Adi Shankara]

Israel has alot of good nationalist tunes. I like their national anthem, a very good tune and the lyrics sound beautiful in hebrew.

too bad they're typical Zionist propaganda.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Why the fuck do they remove the vuvuzela feature!? FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[jake williams]

Until I saw the first 12 seconds or so of the video (about all I got through) I almost forgot how much I fucking hate Zionists.

Fuck you GPDP. Fuck you.

The problem with Israel is that there's no easy way to express the moral repugnance of it, because there are only a few major instances of settler colonial societies that anyone is familiar with - namely, Canada, the United States, Australia and South Africa. And in the first three cases, which make up the majority of the English speaking world and thus most people I ever communicate with, Europeans and the settlers themselves aren't just comfortable with settler colonial ethnic cleansing and genocide, but they're proud of it, as an important instance of the triumph of Western civilization.

For various reasons it's harder for racists to defend South African apartheid, but they manage, and they certainly get away with defending post-apartheid white colonialism in southern Africa, including in Zimbabwe.

[redSHARP]

So Hamas are regularly funded by the US, in the way of heat-seeking helicopters and the most up-to-date, high-tech tanks? Do you know, I totally forgot about the billions of dollars at their disposal, and the wealth of technology they've got at hand to use against Israel. Poor Israel, it can barely defend itself, surrounded by Islamist extremists on all sides! :crying:

Don't watch it, it's vile.


actually, historically the USA and Israel funded Hamas covertly in the early 1980's as a counter to Fatah; just throwing out that interesting bit of info for anyone out there.

[redSHARP]

It's idiotic because the most prominent American supporters of an alleged genocide of Darfuris by Arabs that most be stopped by American force and violence are... liberal Zionists, and their followers.

"liberal zionists and their followers" is incorrect.

A. the Republican Party and their Christian supporters put more money and backing towards Israel than the "liberal Zionists"

B. most American Jews who vote liberal do not support Israel settlement expansion, military operations, ect.

C. most of the right wing in the US who support Zionism do not do it out of the goodness of their heart, but in order to bring the second coming of Christ. Yeah you read me correctly.

D. and most Zionist groups have a few token orthodox Jews but most lobby groups that support Israel's terrible actions are actually predominantly Christian.

i would also like to ask the meaning of "alleged" genocide in Darfur for clarification purposes. and most polls show that Americans oppose massive military intervention in Darfur.

[Stephen Colbert]

Religion is such a pain in the ass.

[Adi Shankara]

Religion is such a pain in the ass.

Really depends on the religion, to be honest; afterall, when is the last time you ever heard of Zoroastrians, Jains, Hare Krishna, or Cao Đài practitioners creating religious violence or inciting hatred? hell, the Jains are so opposed to violence, they carry brooms with them everywhere they go to sweep in front of them, so as to avoid stepping on insects...

[Sir Comradical]

Just wait for the Finkelstein response...

[jake williams]

A. the Republican Party and their Christian supporters put more money and backing towards Israel than the "liberal Zionists"
Huh? What does that have to do with what I said?


B. most American Jews who vote liberal do not support Israel settlement expansion, military operations, ect.
You could debate this depending on your definition of "liberal", but again, it's irrelevant to my point.


C. most of the right wing in the US who support Zionism do not do it out of the goodness of their heart, but in order to bring the second coming of Christ. Yeah you read me correctly.

D. and most Zionist groups have a few token orthodox Jews but most lobby groups that support Israel's terrible actions are actually predominantly Christian.
I'm well aware of the Christian fundamentalist support for Zionism and the nature thereof, but it's not particularly relevant to American foreign policy or to Israeli policy. Christian fundamentalists are around when the right wing of the ruling class needs them and thinks it can take advantage of them - in this case, not to pursue an antisemitic religious ideology, but to pursue imperialist geostrategic goals.


i would also like to ask the meaning of "alleged" genocide in Darfur for clarification purposes.
People who are actually serious about it have raised serious questions abuot whether or not the at least tripartite conflict in Darfur can be considered a genocide by the Arab government in Khartoum against non-Arab ethnic Darfuris, and the general conclusion, if you're not totally delusional, is that in whole or in part it can't be. In fact, it's a dangerous oversimplification of a serious crisis which, while most of the violence is actually over, still needs to be met with real, intelligent solutions.


and most polls show that Americans oppose massive military intervention in Darfur.
That's a good thing, but most Americans aren't part of the "save Darfur" movement and frankly I think a lot of the opposition to military intervention in Darfur comes from white racists who don't want their tax dollars spent helping black people.

Even if most of the rank and file of the movement opposes military intervention, which I'm not convinced it does even now, but if it does by now it's the result of very important organizing against it - a lot of the leadership of the movement (which is mostly gone now in a lot of ways, this may be a totally academic point at this point... except in Sudan, but that's another story) does. As do a number of other noisy folks from various sectors that would stand potentially to benefit - the military, particularly that part backing Africom, security contractors, etc.

[Il Medico]

The song was bad enough, but then I made the mistake of reading the comments. The Helen Keller nonsense really showed just how much the idea that being against Zionism= antisemitism is in American society. This song and the comments just prove this more. What a load of crap.

[redSHARP]

Huh? What does that have to do with what I said?


You could debate this depending on your definition of "liberal", but again, it's irrelevant to my point.


I'm well aware of the Christian fundamentalist support for Zionism and the nature thereof, but it's not particularly relevant to American foreign policy or to Israeli policy. Christian fundamentalists are around when the right wing of the ruling class needs them and thinks it can take advantage of them - in this case, not to pursue an antisemitic religious ideology, but to pursue imperialist geostrategic goals.


People who are actually serious about it have raised serious questions abuot whether or not the at least tripartite conflict in Darfur can be considered a genocide by the Arab government in Khartoum against non-Arab ethnic Darfuris, and the general conclusion, if you're not totally delusional, is that in whole or in part it can't be. In fact, it's a dangerous oversimplification of a serious crisis which, while most of the violence is actually over, still needs to be met with real, intelligent solutions.


That's a good thing, but most Americans aren't part of the "save Darfur" movement and frankly I think a lot of the opposition to military intervention in Darfur comes from white racists who don't want their tax dollars spent helping black people.

Even if most of the rank and file of the movement opposes military intervention, which I'm not convinced it does even now, but if it does by now it's the result of very important organizing against it - a lot of the leadership of the movement (which is mostly gone now in a lot of ways, this may be a totally academic point at this point... except in Sudan, but that's another story) does. As do a number of other noisy folks from various sectors that would stand potentially to benefit - the military, particularly that part backing Africom, security contractors, etc.


your points are valid, especially about racism preventing actually action being taken in Darfur. however, i found the "totally delusional" comment is a bit insulting. I am sorry if i came off as a heated or aggressive, it was not my intent.

Of course simply calling it genocide and leaving it at that is a simplification of the Darfur crisis, but the current situation fits the legal criteria of genocide and the definition put out by Lempkin after world war 2. And the violence isnt over just yet (it spikes and dips all the time).

[Raúl Duke]

then I made the mistake of reading the comments.

oh man...

These days I mostly instinctively ignore comments on such sites.